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Epicurus' views of the nature of the universe are the foundation of every aspect of his philosophy. While many particulars have changed, Epicurus' overall assessment of the non-supernatural nature of the universe remains fully valid today.
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This forum focuses on questions of the "existence" and "nature" of Epicurean gods. The Ethical questions of a proper attitude toward divinity are discussed in this Ethics subforum.
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This Physics forum addresses the reasoning behind the conclusion that there is no immortal soul. For the ethical implications of this conclusion, and how to think about this fact, see the Ethics forum.
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This forum will collect discussions of Epicurus' rejection of the use of various arguments associated mainly with Pythagorus and Plato (geometry and mathematical and "ideal forms") or Aristotle (essences) as the basis of an ordered universe created by a supernatural force.
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Epicurus held that his "Canon of Truth" is the key to confident level, and the antidote to both unfounded dogmatism and radical skepticism.
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The Term Pleasure Includes Bodily as well as Mental Pleasures Such As Tranquility, Meaningfulness, Katastematic, Kinetic, Etc. Likewise The Term Pain Includes All Bodily and Mental Pains.
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VS 63 and why we do not pursue only "necessary" desires.
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Post here your everyday casual comments and frustrations on dealing with a non-Epicurean world. Here you can "blow off steam" about the craziness of religious attitudes (how "everything" is god's will," no matter how ridiculous; how people who die are happy in heaven - so why don't we all commit suicide?) or other common viewpoints (procrastination, "keeping up with the Jones's," etc) that conflict with Epicurean views. But please - remember the "Not Neo-Epicurean" rules, and don't veer off into "politics."
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No! Epicurus was not uneducated: the real philistines are those who ask us to go on studying till old age the subjects that we ought to be ashamed not to have learned as children.
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The key surviving documents from Epicurus himself, including the Letter to Herodotus, the Letter to Pythocles, the letter to Menoeceus, the Principal Doctrines, and the "Vatican" List of Sayings.
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The Herculaneum scroll of incomplete title in which the "Tetrapharmakon" appears, often referred to by Papyrus Number ( "P.Herc 1005") or by the surviving partial title in Greek "Pros Tous..."
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Place for discussion of the transcription and use of Gassendi's Synopsis of Epicureanism contained in Book Three of Thomas Stanley's "History of Philosophy"
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Our Main Page for Discussion, and the current version of the Harris edition of the Usener Collection pdf, can be found here.
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EpicureanFriends' selection of "modern" recommended books about Epicurus and Epicurean Philosophy.
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"...strongly recommend it as a “popular” introduction to the philosophy of Epicurus. Dr. Austin is both an engaging writer and an experienced teacher-scholar, and she combines many great references with what I believe to be an excellent eye for interpreting Epicurus in almost every major area of controversy you might wish to examine. The book is aimed at intelligent but non-specialist readers, and so it’s suitable for almost everyone. It is one of the most thorough and well documented current popular books on Epicurus that you will find anywhere, but it is so good it left me wishing it were even longer. I would like to have seen it spend more time on subjects such as Epicurus’ canonics / epistemology, but what we might wish for as perfect is not the enemy of the good, and this book is very very good. " -- excerpt from a book review by Cassius.
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The complete book, for discussion chapter by chapter.
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There are many excellent books and other resources available, and here we discuss those which we find most useful.
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Scholarly Articles on Epicureanism. Articles of Critical Importance are "sticky" and set off with asterisks. ***
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Catherine Wilson tends to represent her own political views as those of Epicurus, and so her books must be read very carefully. Nevertheless her material is significantly better than many other current commentators because she does not overstress "tranquility." She is very active currently so this subforum is dedicated to her work.
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Cassius
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Post here requests for help in locating particular documents
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Discussion about historical figures who identified themselves as Epicureans or who contributed as uncompromising supporters of the Epicurean School of Philosophy. It is arranged in approximate chronological order.
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Teacher of Virgil. (also Syro, Siron, or Syron; fl. c. 50 BC) Siro was an Epicurean philosopher who lived in Naples.
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Patron of Philodemus, Owner of the villa of the paypri, and father-in-law of Julius Caesar
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This subforum is for discussion of the details of Lucretius' life. Discussion of his "De Rerum Natura" poem has its own section of the forum.
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This subforum is for discussion of the life of Frances Wright. Her book "A Few Days In Athens" has its own forum.
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(Not Primarily Attacking Or Defending Epicurus or His Philosophy)
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Discussion comparing the views of Epicurus with opposing philosophers and religions.
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Philosophical Doctrines can be difficult or impossible to understand without knowledge of the question they are intended to address. Arguments against Pleasure at the time of Epicurus occur in Plato's Philebus, Protarchus, and Gorgias (and other writers) as referenced in Gosling & Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure." We can also find evidence of them in later works, such as Cicero's "On Ends." The purpose of this thread is to organize these arguments and discuss the Epicurean response to each.
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June 20, 2025 at 4:31 PM
Utilitarianism is generally considered to be "the greatest good for the greatest number." This forum is to compare Epicurus with the Utilitarians.
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Use this forum for discussions of people who denounced or opposed Epicurean philosophy.
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Diogenes' wall has its own forum. This subforum is for discussion of other Epicurean historic aspects of Asia Minor
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This section is for posting on anything to do with the physical location, past or present.
For postings on anything to do with the actual papyri scrolls, visit this section: https://www.epicureanfriends.com/board/680-herculaneum-villa-de-papyri-general-discussion/
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Discussion of Raphael's "School of Athens" Fresco. The discussion started and goes into detail in the pinned thread. As it appears that this discussion will go on much longer, it is now moved to its own forum where threads may be extended to discuss additional details of Raphael and the figures in the fresco.
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December 11, 2024 at 8:26 AM
This is for discussion of modern art and anything after the 14th century, and which contains Epicurean philosophical themes.
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May 3, 2023 at 9:09 AM
For those who are new to the study of Epicurus, we are providing a self-paced 7-week course which covers an introduction to the basics of Epicurean philosophy. Week 1 & Week 2 now has material posted which can get you started. More material will be posted in the future.
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On the first Monday of every month we host a special Meet-and-Greet for our forum members. If you are interested in attending the next one, please post to the thread for that exact date, or to the thread "Questions About Upcoming Events" in this forum, or message Cassius or Kalosyni.
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In the spring of 2023 EpicureanFriends sponsored a weekly book review of "Living for Pleasure: an Epicurean Guide to Life" by Emily Austin. We were honored to have Ms. Austin herself participate with us in the final session. Watch the Activities forum for future similar programs.
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