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How Would You Live If You Were Certain That There Are No Supernatural Gods And No Life After Death?

That's what we explore here at EpicureanFriends.com, the internet home of Classical Epicurean Philosophy, where Happiness understood as a life of Pleasure is the goal, not "Ataraxia," "Tranquility," "Virtue," "Piety," "Minimalism," "Asceticism," or any other "Ism." At EpicureanFriends, we focus on the fundamentals as Epicurus taught them himself:


Epicurus taught a complete worldview that constitutes a revolutionary paradigm as to the nature of the universe, the nature of thought and truth, and the nature of the best life. Classical Epicurean Philosophy rejects many conventional assumptions that prevail as to "happiness," "pleasure," "gods," "virtue," and even "good and evil."

How does Epicurus challenge the prevailing wisdom? According to Epicurus, "happiness" is not a meaningless abstraction, but means specifically a life in which pleasure predominates over pain. "Gods" do exist, but gods are not supernatural, omniscient, omnipresent, or omnipotent. "Pleasure" is focus of happiness and the goal of life, but pleasure is not limited to sensory stimulation alone. "Virtue" is important in order to live happily, but virtue is not an end it itself. "Good" and "Evil" are not abstract absolutes, but evaluations based on pleasure and pain felt by real living beings. "Practical Reason" is essential for successful living, but "dialectical logic" is mere wordplay and useless for determining truth.

It is the goal of EpicureanFriends to explore the ideas of Epicurus and explain them to the modern world. For further introduction to Epicurean terminology, see our video "The Epicurean Paradigm Shift," and consult our wiki and our FAQ page. These same issues are discussed in Episode 222 of our Lucretius Today Podcast.

The heart of EpicureanFriends is our Forum, where those who are sincere about the study of Epicurus can interact in a sympathetic and supportive environment.

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On Pain, Pleasure, And Happiness

Brief: The feelings are only two, pleasure and pain—there is no third state such as neutral, and there are no “fancy pleasures” which are different from regular pleasures. Because there is no neutral, reducing pain in life is only possible if there is a corresponding increase in pleasure. The extent of pleasure can be maximized by making sure to attend to all parts of one’s body, including the brain. Happiness is comprised of a pleasurable life. The capacity for pain is a valuable warning system and should not be disabled except in unusual conditions. The experience of pain is to be avoided except when it is chosen for the sake of greater pleasure/ lesser pain over the lifespan. Humans have many shared responses of pain or pleasure to specific experiences, and they also have individual variations. The standard of pleasure in one’s life must be one’s own subjective feelings, not a generic advice. There are many pitfalls to avoid if one desires a happy, pleasure-filled life, such as a false belief in a neutral state, practices which attempt to disable the normal capacity to feel pleasure and pain, and failure to consider the long-term pains and pleasures resulting from actions. In discussing pain and pleasure, Epicureans stick to real life situations, not hypothetical philosophical puzzles.
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It is interesting to think about what Lucretius had in mind in Book One of “On The Nature of Things” when he spoke about Epicurus "yearning to be the first to burst through the close-set bolts upon the gates of nature." What kind of gates was he talking about? Who bolted them? How do those gates keep us from Nature?

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The Major Doctrines Of Classical Epicurean Philosophy

This page presents a summary of Classical Epicurean Philosophy . For additional citations to Epicurean texts, click here.


Nothing From Nothing

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Working solely with the science available two thousand years ago, Epicurus observed that nothing ever arises from nothing, and nothing is ever completely destroyed to nothing. From this Epicurus deduced the existence of atoms - elemental particles moving through empty space from which over time all things are made…
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  1. Familiarize Yourself with the Fundamentals of Epicurean Philosophy - First review the section of our Wiki on The Epicurean Paradigm Shift. Then review our outline of eleven key aspects of Classical Epicurean Philosophy (summarized in our Welcome Video). You can also review our longer Foundations of Epicurean Philosophy. These sections of our site are geared to getting you "up and running" as quickly as possible - but for those who want the quickest and most thorough grounding, the best place to start by far is to locate a copy of Norman DeWitt's Epicurus and His Philosophy.
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