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  • Cassius

    Happy Twentieth and Happy Birthday Epicurus! Some people seem to think that there are other things going on tomorrow, but those of us here know that the main event is the Twentieth - this time marking not only the monthly celebration but also the season of Epicurus' birthday as calculated by the ancient Greek calendar. This is a particularly good time to think about applying Epicurus to your own life, and if you have any questions about how to do that, please feel free to ask in this thread. 404-happy-twentieth-red-banner

  • Cassius

    It's Time: Let's go through some less-familiar material, including Philodemus' "On Methods of Inference," and work on reconstructing a closer view of Epicurean attitudes toward Reason, Logic, and Dialectic: Epicurean Logic and Reason: Deriving True Opinion Through Evidence From The Canon of Truth

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    Episode 54 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. Today's episode is one of the most significant we have produced, as it dives into the section of Book 4 that explains Epicurus' position on how reason is subordinate to the senses. If you've not listened to any of our podcasts, this would be a good one to try, and if you're following along and thinking about the issues involved, you'll want to listen to this one all the way to the end, which is probably the best part. As always, let us know your comments and questions below. We'll be exploring much the same topic next week, so if you make any comments or ask any questions we will try to address them in next week's episode. RE: Episode Fifty-Four: Reason Is Dependent On The Senses

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    Episode Fifty-Three of the Lucretius Today Podcast Is Now Available: RE: Episode Fifty-Three - The Senses Are Never Deceived, Even By Illusions [Pre-Production]

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    The Lucretius Today podcast we are recording tomorrow contains what is perhaps the most clear statement of the most important aspect of Epicurean Philosophy in regard to knowledge and the relationship of reason to the senses. Please let us know if you have any comments you would like us to consider when we discuss this in the podcast: Episode Fifty-Four: Reason Is Dependent On The Senses [Pre-Production]

  • Cassius

    If you're interested in Epicurean "recruitment" activities, check this thread: Epicurean Recruitment on Social Media Locations Such as Facebook

  • Cassius

    A video worth checking out: "You Have Been Deceived"

  • Cassius

    Episode Fifty-Two of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available: RE: Episode Fifty-Two - More on Light, Vision, and Reflections

  • Cassius

    The text for the upcoming Episode 53 of Lucretius today has now been posted here: Episode Fifty-Three - The Senses Are Never Deceived, Even By Illusions [Pre-Production] This material, and that which will be covered in the next following podcast, is some of the most illuminating material in existence for our understanding of Epicurus viewed reliance on the senses. If you have a change to read and you have comments and questions, please let us know.

  • Cassius

    Elli's recent return to posting reminds me that many of our current members may not have been around when Elli recorded this very Epicurean-sounding poem by C.V. Cavafy. If you haven't heard this, or of the related work "Ithaca," check out this thread: Miris - by Constantine Cavafy - As Read By Elli

  • Cassius

    Episode Fifty-One of the Lucretius Today podcast is now available: RE: Episode Fifty-One - The Workings of Images

  • Cassius

    Welcome to the last day of 2020. Thanks to all our participants over the last year for helping us grow the site and provide an online home to those who are serious about studying and implementing Epicurean philosophy in their own lives. There's a lot more to do in coming years so please let us know if there are any ideas or projects you'd like the community here to help you pursue. In the meantime, Happy New Year!

  • Cassius

    If you haven't seen it, take a look at Don's "Contemporary Chronology." This helps it sink in that by the time Diogenes Laertius wrote his "Life of Epicurus," Epicurus was as distant in time to him as Christopher Columbus was to us today! Contemporary Chronology

  • Cassius

    Episode 50 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available: RE: Episode Fifty - Opening of Book Four - Beginning the DIscussion of Images Happy Holidays to Everyone!

  • Cassius

    Episode 49 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available: RE: Episode Forty-Nine - The End of Book Three

  • Cassius

    Happy Twentieth to all our participants here at EpicureanFriends.com, and best wishes for a happy holiday season!

  • Cassius

    We're now entering a period of end-of-year holidays for many of us, when posting will get even more up and down than usual as people take a break from ordinary routines. Happy holidays and let us know how Epicurean philosophy relates to your end of year reflections.

  • Cassius

    Episode 48 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available: Episode Forty-Eight - Nature Speaks To Us About Death In today's episode, we will cover roughly lines 931-1023 from Book 3 of the Latin text, and we imagine Nature speak to us about death. Lucretius also comparse the myths of Tityus, Sisyphus, and Tantalus to the tortures that actually exist for some people on Earth. This episode was particularly personal to us as Elayne rejoins the podcast after the recent death of her father.

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    Episode 47 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available: Episode Forty-Seven - Death is Nothing To Us

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This is the place to study and discuss Epicurus with people who - can you believe it? - aren't just Stoics in disguise, but who actually support and promote Epicurean philosophy. On your first visit, check out this full home page, including the Not Neo-Epicurean, But Epicurean and our Posting Policy statements. Look around the Forums arranged by Topic. A good place to sample the latest conversations is by clicking Latest Threads, or simply start with our General Forum. After that, bookmark the Dashboard, so that when you come back you'll see all the latest postings and announcements. Other key links are the FAQ where we have answers to often-asked questions, and our Wiki, which features one of the best collections of Lucretius and other Epicurean texts that you'll find anywhere. Don't miss the forum devoted to reviews of modern books, articles, and video-multimedia devoted to Epicurus. Do you prefer a page theme that is lighter, darker, or a different color? Go to the bottom right and click "Change Style!" Thanks for dropping by and enjoy your stay - here our highest goal is Pleasure!


Also, we are continuing our on-line group discussions of Norman DeWitt's Epicurus and His Philosophy. Please check the announcements at the top of this page for confirmation of the time and date of the next session. Discussion outlines are posted here.


Please note our other ongoing projects: For our latest translations and research into the Doctrines, Sayings, and Letters of Epicurus, check our wiki.


There is also a great need for an authoritative online free edition of Lucretius' On The Nature of Things. At our Wiki page, we have two public domain versions (Munro and Bailey) and we are currently working on adding the 1743 Daniel Browne edition, which has the Latin text on the facing page of the original. In order to allow the reader to crosscheck the English translation, we are cross-referencing each translation the equivalent passage in the Latin text. If you have time to help in either of these projects, please let us know by posting in the appropriate forum thread. Our latest project is www.EpicureanRadio.com, a streaming service that we hope to expand into a full "Epicurean Radio Station." Check it out in the new subforum devoted to it!


If you have come across Epicurean philosophy in the past but been confused by commentators who assert - incorrectly - that Epicurus advocated an ascetic or passive lifestyle, you'll want to check out our table of Major Issues In Understanding Epicurean Philosophy. We're glad to help with your study of Epicurus - just ask in the forums! In the meantime, here is the advice of Thomas Jefferson on living an active Epicurean life:


"I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that “that indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided.” Your love of repose will lead, in its progress, to a suspension of healthy exercise, a relaxation of mind, an indifference to everything around you, and finally to a debility of body, and hebetude of mind, the farthest of all things from the happiness which the well-regulated indulgences of Epicurus ensure; fortitude, you know is one of his four cardinal virtues. That teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them, like cowards; and to fly, too, in vain, for they will meet and arrest us at every turn of our road. Weigh this matter well; brace yourself up." - Thomas Jefferson to William Short, October 31, 1819.


A Feature of Our Forum - Follow The Advice Of Epicurus: Outline Your Understanding Of Philosophy


Epicurus' Letter to Herodotus: "Those who have made some advance in the survey of the entire system ought to fix in their minds under the principal headings an elementary outline of the whole treatment of the subject. For a comprehensive view is often required, the details but seldom. ... For it is impossible to gather up the results of continuous diligent study of the entirety of things unless we can embrace in short formulas and hold in mind all that might have been accurately expressed even to the minutest detail."


Thomas Jefferson wrote in a private letter "I too am an Epicurean" and drafted his own outline of Epicurean philosophy.  If you'd like to see what Jefferson wrote, and  get help in drafting your own, click here.


We hope you will consider signing up for an account so you can participate fully here at the forum. For a brief introduction to the orientation of this website, please review our Community Standards / Terms of Use , and check out our brief video Major Characteristics of Epicurean Philosophy.



A Note On Why This Website Is Not "Stoic In Disguise" -  

Many people who come here have been influenced by the alleged importance of a distinction between "kinetic" and "katastematic" pleasure. This argument is unsound, probably not of Epicurean origin at all, and can be very damaging to a proper understanding of Epicurus. To research this issue, start with Boris Nikolsky's "Epicurus on Pleasure," which argues that the katastematic issue was not introduced by Epicurus and reflects a later Stoic-influenced viewpoint. Next, read the chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks on Pleasure," from which Nikolsky got the inspiration for his article. The whole section on Epicurus is good, but be sure to read their Chapter 19 "Katastematic and Kinetic Pleasure." Add to that the Wentham article "Cicero's Interpretation of Katastematic Pleasure," which highlights how emphasis on katastematic pleasure contradicts other core aspects of Epicurean philosophy.


Those shorter articles should then take you back to the best general book on Epicurus, Norman DeWitt's "Epicurus and His Philosophy."  DeWitt provides a sweeping overview of Epicurus which hardly mentions the katastematic - kinetic distinction except to point out how - even if one considers the categories relevant - Epicurean philosophy embraces both types. If you don't read anything else at this website, check out the articles listed above, and you'll see how important this issue is to a proper understanding of Epicurean philosophy. And if you are brand new to the study of Epicurus, be sure to start your study with DeWitt's "Epicurus and His Philsosophy."

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