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Cassius' Latest Single Page Outline Of Epicurean Philosophy

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    • December 6, 2023 at 11:09 AM
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    Kalosyni's recent post about doing some forum reorganization is a good time to point out that we're always going to need multiple ways to access information so it can be found quickly. Recently we implemented the "Navigation Map" on the front page, and of course the "Forum List" is itself an organized structure for filing things. We don't make an extensive use of "Tags," but that feature is available in addition to the "Search" page. It's also possible to search the forum using google (or any other search engine) and combine EpicureanFriends.com as one of the search terms.  Here's an example of such a search.

    For my personal use, I always continue to work on a personal outline with the aim of quickly being able to zoom back and forth between the big picture and the individual details, including citations. The latest version of this outline is here, and I am happy to release it for public use and comment. I intend to continue working on this format to increase the level of detail and improve the citations, some of which are not yet finished at all, so I welcome comments in this thread that I can use to improve it.

    I frequently move back and forth between software programs as to how to make this more effective, and I'll probably take the same data over time and release it in other formats. In the meantime this format is probably going to look best on a cellphone/tablet "portrait" format, rather than a wide-screen computer display. I think the purpose of an outline like this is consistent with the idea of using it mainly on a portable device, so this format should work well for that screen size. Over time we can fiddle with the html if desired and make it more attractive.

    Here's a direct link:

    Epicurean Philosophy Navigation Outline
    Basic Aspects of Epicurean Philosophy.
    handbook.epicureanfriends.com

    Here's a version where a word-search on the page works much more easily. The collapsible version now has a link at the top of the page which will take you to this "alternate" page view.



    To repeat: additions, subtractions, clarifications, suggestions, etc., are welcome, especially as to citations to include under each bullet point. This will always be a "work in progress."

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    • December 6, 2023 at 11:40 AM
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    That's a great resource Cassius !

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    • December 6, 2023 at 1:09 PM
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    This is great, thank you!

    As Epicurus said "those who have advanced sufficiently in observing the impression of the whole still must remember the arrangement of the whole topic -- therefore we often need the condensed view, but the particulars, not as frequently." [DL 10.35b]

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    • December 6, 2023 at 3:25 PM
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    It may be work in progress but it's already a brilliant outline. I spent some time today going through it and I'm seriously impressed. From now on if someone ever asks me what Epicurean philosophy is, they are getting link to this. Thanks for putting it together Cassius.

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    • December 6, 2023 at 4:36 PM
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    Thank you Cassius for posting...I definitely want to use this to create a personal "Kalosyni version" and may use the platform Tiddlywiki

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    • December 6, 2023 at 5:14 PM
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    Wow!!!! Thank you, that page is instantly bookmarked.

  • Cassius December 6, 2023 at 7:49 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Cassius' Latest Single Page Outline” to “Cassius' Latest Single Page Outline Of Epicurean Philosophy”.
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    • December 8, 2023 at 9:45 PM
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    To repeat: additions, subtractions, clarifications, suggestions, etc., are welcome, especially as to citations to include under each bullet point. This will always be a "work in progress."

    As I've mentioned above, I like this outline a lot so I'd like to contribute to it a little, if possible. This is kinda big but also kinda debatable. Whether it's worth including in the outline, I leave it to you Cassius.

    It's about Canonics and possible forth criterion of truth. As it stands for now, and quite rightly, you describe Canonics as 'Knowledge Can Be Obtained Through the Sensations, Anticipations, and Feelings.'

    These three are well established:

    sensations - aistheseis

    anticipations - prolepseis

    feelings - pathe

    There is, however, possible forth criterion:

    mind perceptions - phantastikai epibolai tes dianoias

    It is mentioned both in Letter to Herodotus [51] and Principal Doctrine #24. Whether Epicurus treated this criterion as a fully-fledged, legitimate forth criterion is not clear. Some scholars say he did and it was added to the Canon later by him and some scholars believe Epicurus didn't treat this criterion on a par with the remaining three. We probably won't ever know for sure but since Epicurus himself talks about it, I think it is beneficial for everyone to be familiar with it.

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    • December 9, 2023 at 3:55 AM
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    Great suggestion and I will add that in!

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    • December 9, 2023 at 6:50 AM
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    Added under the second bullet point of the Canonics section:

    Diogenes Laertius 31: "Thus in The Canon Epicurus says that the tests of truth are the sensations and anticipations and the feelings; the Epicureans add to these the intuitive apprehensions of the mind." Direct perceptions of the mind (phantastikai epibolai tes dianoias) are mentioned in the Letter to Herodotus [51] and Principal Doctrine #24, but the remaining texts are unclear as to how direct perceptions of the mind relate to the sensations (aistheseis), anticipations (prolepseis), and feelings (pathe).

    Thanks Tau Phi.

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    • December 9, 2023 at 7:05 AM
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    fwiw, here's a 3-year-old post related to this topic:

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    Commentary and Translation of PD 24

    Principal Doctrine 24 (PD 24) is one of the more convoluted doctrines with multiple phrases and conjunctions. I would like to provide some commentary and break the doctrine down into manageable words and phrases for everyone to get a more coherent understanding of what Epicurus was communicating. You may also want to take a look at this doctrine’s page on the Epicurus Wiki:

    First the original text:

    […]

    Now, let’s break it down before we put it all back together. I’ll provide a (mostly) literal…
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    • December 9, 2023 at 5:43 PM
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    Just for what it's worth I've reached a sort of milestone today of getting at least one citation in the outline for each of the major bullet points. In most cases I have several, but there's definitely a lot more to add.

    After stops and starts through the years this version of the outline has built on past efforts and on contributions of citations from lots of people, and I'll work to continue to expand it and make it available in different formats.

    Thanks for the contributions so far as I think this will be very useful over time.

    Epicurean Philosophy Navigation Map

    On my list of things to do is to figure out how to add what I think is a "meta" tag that will provide a link to a "snapshot" picture of the outline, so that when the above link is shared those browsers that know how to it will provide a snapshot (maybe it's called a card view or something like that) rather than a raw URL.

    Seems to work now on Twitter and Facebook but not here yet --

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    • December 10, 2023 at 5:41 PM
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    I realized that a limitation of the outline generator I am using that looks best in "portrait" mode (for phones) is that the text on the page is not easily searchable if the outline is not expanded. Here's a version where a word-search on the page works much more easily. The collapsible version now has a link at the top of the page which will take you to this "alternate" page view.


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    Moved the thread from forum General Discussion to forum Outlines, Study Tips, Guides, And Maps Of Epicurean Philosophy.

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