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    Welcome Noah Calderon

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    Please understand that the leaders of this forum are well aware that many fans of Epicurus may have sincerely-held views of what Epicurus taught that are incompatible with the purposes and standards of this forum. This forum is dedicated exclusively to the study and support of people who are committed to classical Epicurean views. As a result, this forum is not for people who seek to mix and match some Epicurean views with positions that are inherently inconsistent with the core teachings of Epicurus.

    All of us who are here have arrived at our respect for Epicurus after long journeys through other philosophies, and we do not demand of others what we were not able to do ourselves. Epicurean philosophy is very different from other viewpoints, and it takes time to understand how deep those differences really are. That's why we have membership levels here at the forum which allow for new participants to discuss and develop their own learning, but it's also why we have standards that will lead in some cases to arguments being limited, and even participants being removed, when the purposes of the community require it. Epicurean philosophy is not inherently democratic, or committed to unlimited free speech, or devoted to any other form of organization other than the pursuit by our community of happy living through the principles of Epicurean philosophy.

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    "Epicurus and His Philosophy" by Norman DeWitt

    The Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius. This includes the surviving letters of Epicurus, including those to Herodotus, Pythocles, and Menoeceus.

    "On The Nature of Things" - by Lucretius (a poetic abridgement of Epicurus' "On Nature"

    "Epicurus on Pleasure" - By Boris Nikolsky

    The chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure."

    Cicero's "On Ends" - Torquatus Section

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    The Inscription of Diogenes of Oinoanda - Martin Ferguson Smith translation

    A Few Days In Athens" - Frances Wright

    Lucian Core Texts on Epicurus: (1) Alexander the Oracle-Monger, (2) Hermotimus

    Philodemus "On Methods of Inference" (De Lacy version, including his appendix on relationship of Epicurean canon to Aristotle and other Greeks)

    "The Greeks on Pleasure" -Gosling & Taylor Sections on Epicurus, especially the section on katastematic and kinetic pleasure which explains why ultimately this distinction was not of great significance to Epicurus.

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    Hi all,

    I'm young enough to have mostly missed the days of community-oriented forums like this one, but I was happy to find that one existed for this exciting new (or should I say old?) school of thought I have recently become quite interested in.

    Some things about myself: I am from Finland, and am writing under a pseudonym. I have read the Letter to Menoeceus, and the Principal Doctrines, and some other material on the web. Having become interested, I ordered a book by one Catherine Wilson on the topic as applied to modern life, and in the meantime have especially struggled with what really constitutes a wise and rational pursuit of pleasure in life.

    Speaking of, this is the primary reason I joined the forum and began reading about Epicurean philosophy. Having tried and failed to fit various competing but ultimately contrived value hierarchies into an ultimately nihilistic worldview I think I kind of settled on the conclusion that "If You Were Certain That There Are No Supernatural Gods And No Life After Death" you ought to make the most of life and stop clinging to ideals and imposed order and whatnot. How this is achieved is an art of its own, and upon looking into it, it seems that Epicurus and the school he founded got pretty far.

    Thanks! Hoping to learn a lot from all of you before I start posting, since I am still quite a novice.

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    Great opening post Noah - thank you for letting us know this background. We don't have a large number of people from Finland, but Finland has probably represented a disproportionately high percentage of our visitors over the years.

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    I think I kind of settled on the conclusion that "If You Were Certain That There Are No Supernatural Gods And No Life After Death" you ought to make the most of life and stop clinging to ideals and imposed order and whatnot.

    I think you're one of the first people to comment on that headline. You've read into it exactly what I intended in posting it.

    Take your time and post when ready, but don't hesitate to ask questions even early on. The site profits a lot from going through the same basic issues and finding new ways to express them more clearly, so don't think that there are any "stupid" questions.

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    Welcome Noah! Love the Snufkin avatar - very Epicurean!

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    Welcome Noah!

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