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    • November 9, 2023 at 7:22 AM
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    Welcome page259 !

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    All of us who are here have arrived at our respect for Epicurus after long journeys through other philosophies, and we do not demand of others what we were not able to do ourselves. Epicurean philosophy is very different from other viewpoints, and it takes time to understand how deep those differences really are. That's why we have membership levels here at the forum which allow for new participants to discuss and develop their own learning, but it's also why we have standards that will lead in some cases to arguments being limited, and even participants being removed, when the purposes of the community require it. Epicurean philosophy is not inherently democratic, or committed to unlimited free speech, or devoted to any other form of organization other than the pursuit by our community of happy living through the principles of Epicurean philosophy.

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    "Epicurus and His Philosophy" by Norman DeWitt
    The Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius. This includes the surviving letters of Epicurus, including those to Herodotus, Pythocles, and Menoeceus.
    "On The Nature of Things" - by Lucretius (a poetic abridgement of Epicurus' "On Nature"
    "Epicurus on Pleasure" - By Boris Nikolsky
    The chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure."
    Cicero's "On Ends" - Torquatus Section
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    The Inscription of Diogenes of Oinoanda - Martin Ferguson Smith translation
    A Few Days In Athens" - Frances Wright
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    Hello! I found this website after listening to some of the Lucretius Today podcast. I quite liked the episodes with Emily Austin. I bought her book Living for Pleasure and read through it.

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    Quote from page259

    Hello! I found this website after listening to some of the Lucretius Today podcast. I quite liked the episodes with Emily Austin. I bought her book Living for Pleasure and read through it.

    Dr. Austin's book is a great place to start exploring the philosophy (as is the podcast!).

    Welcome aboard!

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    Welcome!

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

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    Thank you thank you! Just had a book club evening to discuss the Emily Austin book.

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    ... weirdly, I am missing page 259 in my copy of Obbink's translation of On Piety, which includes an English translation of column(s) 77A/77B, and after scouring the web, was lead here...

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    That IS Weird! I have no idea why....

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    ... weirdly, I am missing page 259 in my copy of Obbink's translation of On Piety, which includes an English translation of column(s) 77A/77B, and after scouring the web, was lead here...

    Haha. It's official then. EpicureanFriends site has every resource on Epicurean philosophy in the universe. Including missing pages from books in form of its members!

    @Eikadistes I can see on your web site that you managed to find the missing English translation of 77A/77B. Footnotes need a little more work, though.

    Here are correct footnotes:

    1 Pleasures.
    2 Literally 'exchangeable for'.
    3 The pleasures that come from the satisfaction of necessary desires.
    4 SC. desires, ἐπιθυμίαις ἀναγκαίαις (2209/12), i.e. those that derive from freedom from fear of harm.
    5 Namely, escaping detection all their lives.
    6 The gods.
    7 Literally 'cause no trouble' or 'bother', particularly in this world.
    8 The gods (2232 αὐτούς).


    Here's what needs correction on your webpage:

    2) missing quotation opening and it should be 3)
    3) should be 2)
    4) Greek provided instead of Latin transliteration, missing 'ἀναγκαίαις' and 'fear'
    8. Greek provided instead of Latin transliteration

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    Thanks, I've got it covered.


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