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Exposition therapy,Courage and when choosing Pain

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    • January 14, 2026 at 1:19 PM
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    In the past I often read/hear:

    Stoicism = Stress management

    Epicureanism = Stress avoidance

    And that Suffering belongs to Life, and is needed for growing and that it is bad to shun pain.

    And that Epicurean philosophy would teach to shun pain.

    Stoics train discomfort, for they pain is instrumental to progress to Virtue.

    Stoics train Memento Malorum and Exposition to fear and pain makes them stronger and Exposition therapy is very successful.

    From Epicurus there is often his method mentioned that he counters his pain on his last day with the pleasures of his memorys about philosophy with friends and that this is the main way in Epicurean Philosophy to counter pain.

    What do you think about these statements ?

    I think they are one-sided, and a false dichotomy. Both methods can help and Stoics are not more courageous than Epicureans and the benefit of choosing kinds of pain is even in the epitome of Epicurean Ethics the letter of Menoeceus:

    „…(129)And since pleasure is the first good and natural to us, for this very reason we do not choose every pleasure, but sometimes we pass over many pleasures, when greater discomfort accrues to us as the result of them: and similarly we think many pains better than pleasures, since a greater pleasure comes to us when we have endured pains for a long time. Every pleasure then because of its natural kinship to us is good, yet not every pleasure is to be chosen: even as every pain also is an evil, yet not all are always of a nature to be avoided.

    ….“

    Epicurus' Letter to Menoeceus

    Edited once, last by Matteng (January 14, 2026 at 3:46 PM).

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    • January 14, 2026 at 1:59 PM
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    Good topic Matteng but please edit your first line:

    Quote from Matteng

    In the past I often read/here:

    I it looks like you mean to say " read / hear "

    because you've included a lot that I don't think you read HERE! :)

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    • January 14, 2026 at 3:53 PM
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    Yes thank you 😅
    It is from podcasts/essays.
    Today in a podcast it was about how important experience of suffering is to grow.
    I first thought this would be against Epicurean Philosophy, but then I realized: No, for greater benefit, it is recommend. For greater suffering it would be unprudent…

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