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    • June 27, 2025 at 11:54 PM
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    I was trying to find some of the original works of Epicurus when I came across this site. I did not know there were modern Epicureans. I'd be interested in joining Sunday just to listen. I'm afraid I won't have much to contribute, but I'd be very interested in hearing more.

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    Welcome ceiltechbladhm

    There is one last step to complete your registration:

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    Please say "Hello" by introducing yourself, tell us what prompted your interest in Epicureanism and which particular aspects of Epicureanism most interest you, and/or post a question.

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    Please understand that the leaders of this forum are well aware that many fans of Epicurus may have sincerely-held views of what Epicurus taught that are incompatible with the purposes and standards of this forum. This forum is dedicated exclusively to the study and support of people who are committed to classical Epicurean views. As a result, this forum is not for people who seek to mix and match Epicurean views with positions that are inherently inconsistent with the core teachings of Epicurus.

    All of us who are here have arrived at our respect for Epicurus after long journeys through other philosophies, and we do not demand of others what we were not able to do ourselves. Epicurean philosophy is very different from most other philosophies, and it takes time to understand how deep those differences really are. That's why we have membership levels here at the forum which allow for new participants to discuss and develop their own learning, but it's also why we have standards that will lead in some cases to arguments being limited, and even participants being removed, when the purposes of the community require it. Epicurean philosophy is not inherently democratic, or committed to unlimited free speech, or devoted to any other form of organization other than the pursuit of truth and happy living through pleasure as explained in the principles of Epicurean philosophy.

    One way you can be assured of your time here will be productive is to tell us a little about yourself and your background in reading Epicurean texts. It would also be helpful if you could tell us how you found this forum, and any particular areas of interest that you already have.

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    We have found over the years that there are a number of key texts and references which most all serious students of Epicurus will want to read and evaluate for themselves. Those include the following.

    "Epicurus and His Philosophy" by Norman DeWitt

    The Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius. This includes the surviving letters of Epicurus, including those to Herodotus, Pythocles, and Menoeceus.

    "On The Nature of Things" - by Lucretius (a poetic abridgement of Epicurus' "On Nature"

    "Epicurus on Pleasure" - By Boris Nikolsky

    The chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure."

    Cicero's "On Ends" - Torquatus Section

    Cicero's "On The Nature of the Gods" - Velleius Section

    The Inscription of Diogenes of Oinoanda - Martin Ferguson Smith translation

    A Few Days In Athens" - Frances Wright

    Lucian Core Texts on Epicurus: (1) Alexander the Oracle-Monger, (2) Hermotimus

    Philodemus "On Methods of Inference" (De Lacy version, including his appendix on relationship of Epicurean canon to Aristotle and other Greeks)

    "The Greeks on Pleasure" -Gosling & Taylor Sections on Epicurus, especially the section on katastematic and kinetic pleasure which explains why ultimately this distinction was not of great significance to Epicurus.

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    ceiltechbladhm thank you for your post and welcome to the forum. So that we can have a free exchange of information among people who are known to be friendly to Epicurean ideas, we ask that people establish themselves in the forum before being invited to participate in a live event. Our Zooms help us to establish a community of friends as much or more than they serve a teaching function, so we've found this process to be important.

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    Welcome Ceiltechbladhm

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    I was trying to find some of the original works of Epicurus when I came across this site. I did not know there were modern Epicureans.

    ceiltechbladhm Welcome to the forum! Can you let us know if you have studied much about Epicurus before joining the forum, or if you are newly encountering the teachings? Any previous background in other philosophy studies? Is there a particular aspect of Epicurean philosophy that draws your interest or apsect that you are curious to learn more about?

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    Welcome!

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    • June 28, 2025 at 5:14 PM
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    Regarding my background and exposure, I'm interested in the history of the philosophy of beauty and am doing research into Hellenistic philosophies on beauty. My introduction to Epicurus was through Tatarkiewicz's section on him in History of Aesthetics. Through researching those passages, I stumbled here.

    Regarding the discussion, I understand wanting to curate discussion members. I didn't realize there were conscious Epicureans in modern times, and am just curious to hear a live discussion by people who are sympathetic to him and keen on properly understanding him. I'd be okay joining muted without an option to unmute. My goal is just to listen.

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    • June 28, 2025 at 5:19 PM
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    Thanks for your response. I will talk with the other moderators about inviting you to something soon. In the meantime, I can recommend that you look into the LucretiusToday podcast here at the forum and on all podcast sources. We regularly have three to four of our members here participating in that, and I think it would give you a very good idea of what live discussions might be like. The podcast is edited and much more structured than our live meetings, where we devote much of the time to questions and exchange of ideas, but it sounds like the podcast might fit the bill for what you are looking for. On our main page we have a number of sample episodes highlighted which would be a good place to start.

    You might want to check out in particular our 200th episode special where we talked about where we have been and where we are going.

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    Welcome to Episode 200 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the only complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the Epicurean texts, and we discuss how Epicurean philosophy can apply to you today. If you find the Epicurean worldview attractive, we invite you to join us in the study of Epicurus at EpicureanFriends.com, where you will find a discussion thread…
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    • June 28, 2025 at 5:21 PM
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    Thanks, sounds like a great place to start! Any chance of a recommendation on Epicurean Philosophy of Aesthetics?

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    • June 28, 2025 at 5:33 PM
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    Others may have better suggestions than I do. I don't recall that we have a podcast on that, but there is book devoted to something close to that -- "The Sculpted Word" by Bernard Frischer, which discusses Epicurean use of art in portraying Epicurus.

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    • June 28, 2025 at 5:34 PM
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    Here's our prior discussion on the Frischer book:

    Bernard Frischer's "The Sculpted Word"

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    Found it; thanks! That's so interesting that the spread of his philosophy relied on art, which is really ironic, since Epicurus's thoughts on aesthetics aren't a dominant part of his philosophy. Or at least they weren't preserved.

    I'll reciprocate with a reference in turn y'all might not be familiar with. Unfortunately, it's only available through Internet Archive if you have a print disability. Otherwise, you probably have to use an interlibrary loan.

    https://archive.org/details/histor…age/n7/mode/2up.

    Pages 174-178

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