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    Welcome Cyrano !

    There is one last step to complete your registration:

    All new registrants must post a response to this message here in this welcome thread (we do this in order to minimize spam registrations).

    You must post your response within 72 hours, or your account will be subject to deletion.

    Please say "Hello" by introducing yourself, tell us what prompted your interest in Epicureanism and which particular aspects of Epicureanism most interest you, and/or post a question.

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    Please understand that the leaders of this forum are well aware that many fans of Epicurus may have sincerely-held views of what Epicurus taught that are incompatible with the purposes and standards of this forum. This forum is dedicated exclusively to the study and support of people who are committed to classical Epicurean views. As a result, this forum is not for people who seek to mix and match some Epicurean views with positions that are inherently inconsistent with the core teachings of Epicurus.

    All of us who are here have arrived at our respect for Epicurus after long journeys through other philosophies, and we do not demand of others what we were not able to do ourselves. Epicurean philosophy is very different from other viewpoints, and it takes time to understand how deep those differences really are. That's why we have membership levels here at the forum which allow for new participants to discuss and develop their own learning, but it's also why we have standards that will lead in some cases to arguments being limited, and even participants being removed, when the purposes of the community require it. Epicurean philosophy is not inherently democratic, or committed to unlimited free speech, or devoted to any other form of organization other than the pursuit by our community of happy living through the principles of Epicurean philosophy.

    One way you can be most assured of your time here being productive is to tell us a little about yourself and personal your background in reading Epicurean texts. It would also be helpful if you could tell us how you found this forum, and any particular areas of interest that you have which would help us make sure that your questions and thoughts are addressed.

    In that regard we have found over the years that there are a number of key texts and references which most all serious students of Epicurus will want to read and evaluate for themselves. Those include the following.

    "Epicurus and His Philosophy" by Norman DeWitt

    The Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius. This includes the surviving letters of Epicurus, including those to Herodotus, Pythocles, and Menoeceus.

    "On The Nature of Things" - by Lucretius (a poetic abridgement of Epicurus' "On Nature"

    "Epicurus on Pleasure" - By Boris Nikolsky

    The chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure."

    Cicero's "On Ends" - Torquatus Section

    Cicero's "On The Nature of the Gods" - Velleius Section

    The Inscription of Diogenes of Oinoanda - Martin Ferguson Smith translation

    A Few Days In Athens" - Frances Wright

    Lucian Core Texts on Epicurus: (1) Alexander the Oracle-Monger, (2) Hermotimus

    Philodemus "On Methods of Inference" (De Lacy version, including his appendix on relationship of Epicurean canon to Aristotle and other Greeks)

    "The Greeks on Pleasure" -Gosling & Taylor Sections on Epicurus, especially the section on katastematic and kinetic pleasure which explains why ultimately this distinction was not of great significance to Epicurus.

    It is by no means essential or required that you have read these texts before participating in the forum, but your understanding of Epicurus will be much enhanced the more of these you have read. Feel free to join in on one or more of our conversation threads under various topics found throughout the forum, where you can to ask questions or to add in any of your insights as you study the Epicurean philosophy.

    And time has also indicated to us that if you can find the time to read one book which will best explain classical Epicurean philosophy, as opposed to most modern "eclectic" interpretations of Epicurus, that book is Norman DeWitt's Epicurus And His Philosophy.

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    I just discovered your site and am delighted to find it. I have not read much on Epicurus per se, but I have been a materialist in philosophy for 60 years. (I did read with tremendous enjoyment the book by Stephen Greenblatt.)

    The Epicureans with whom I am most familiar are Omar Khayyam and Cyrano de Bergerac. In fact, the latter is one of the great heroes of my life. I send you here a pictorial presentation I created about him...

    http://tinyurl.com/3a7wvnwu

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    Welcome aboard, Cyrano !!

    You'll find several of us are fans of Greenblatt's book.

    If you're looking for an excellent and accessible, even conversational, introduction to Epicurus's philosophy, we recommend Dr. Emily Austin 's Living for Pleasure. You'll also find our interviews with her elsewhere in this forum.

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    That presentation looks very impressive Cyrano! I haven't had a chance to watch it all but it looks very creative! And I remember the jose ferrer movie with great affection.

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    • January 3, 2024 at 7:31 AM
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    That presentation looks very impressive

    That is impressive. I admit I had NO idea about all that concerning Cyrano de Bergerac!! Thanks for sharing!

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    I think we should tag this presentation for Joshua to be sure he sees it:


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    Welcome Cyrano!

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    Welcome Cyrano.

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

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    Much thanks to all who have welcomed me here and reacted to my post. Already I am enjoying so much this website and my participation in it.

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    • January 3, 2024 at 6:45 PM
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    I just reviewed the presentation to the end. You deserve a lot of credit for putting together such a good slideshow. We need to take yours as an example and set something of similar format up on Epicurus himself.

    I was not aware of much of that background at all. So are there texts by Cyrano mentioning Epicurus specifically.

    If you have time could you summarize what he had to say (if at all) about Epicurus and Lucretius?

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    • January 3, 2024 at 8:00 PM
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    Thank you very much, Cassius.

    Yes, my love for Cyrano inspired me to create that extensive presentation. And your idea of doing a similar one for Epicurus is excellent. It can be done (for free!) on the terrific website CANVA.

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    • January 3, 2024 at 8:19 PM
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    Oh! The best book I know of about Cyrano is this one...

    http://tinyurl.com/59xshm5w

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    • January 3, 2024 at 8:42 PM
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    Quit a few years ago I published a Cyrano article in the magazine FREE INQUIRY.

    https://cdn.centerforinquiry.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/26/1991/10/22160745/p39-1.pdf

    It covers a lot of the same ground as in my presentation, but also, of course, new material as well.

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    Hi and welcome Cyrano! :)

    That was some presentation. I admit I knew nothing at all about the historical Cyrano, but he looks like he was quite a guy.

    Open atheism was rare in his day and I know of no other examples.

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    • January 4, 2024 at 9:13 PM
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    If he was a student of Gassendi then one would think that he most definitely had something to say about Epicurus at some point.

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    • January 4, 2024 at 11:05 PM
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    The truth is I have not read all the works of de Bergerac. Yes, I "would think that he most definitely had something to say about Epicurus at some point." But I'm sorry I cannot help you now. Probably in the future I will, for you are shaming me into a perusal of his writing.

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    The truth is I have not read all the works of de Bergerac. Yes, I "would think that he most definitely had something to say about Epicurus at some point." But I'm sorry I cannot help you now. Probably in the future I will, for you are shaming me into a perusal of his writing.

    Take heart! I didn't even know the name three days ago...

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    • January 5, 2024 at 3:07 AM
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    I presume one place to start is to collect some links to where his original works (hopefully translated) can be found. I haven't had time to start looking into what's available on the internet on him or their translation state. And it would be good to hear from Charles as to whether he knows anything on this topic.

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    • January 6, 2024 at 12:31 AM
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    I admire you, Cassius, for all the work you do here.

    My speciality is Shakespeare, and I am working now on an article on 𝑲𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝑳𝒆𝒂𝒓 and whether Shakespeare may have been an Epicurean.

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    That is an excellent idea! I can refer you to an old thread in which I compared Friar Laurence's Act 2, Scene 3 monologue from Romeo and Juliet to Book 5 of Lucretius;

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    Romeo and Juliet (Passages Parallel to Lucretius)

    Romeo and Juliet: Act 2, Scene 3--Friar LaurenceLucretius, Book 5: Cyril Bailey translation--various passages
    The grey-eyed morn smiles on the frowning night,
    Chequering the eastern clouds with streaks of light;
    And fleckled darkness, like a drunkard, reels
    From forth day's path and Titan's fiery wheel.
    Now, ere the sun advance his burning eye,
    The day to cheer and night's dank dew to dry,
    I must upfill this osier cage of ours
    With baleful weeds and precious-juicèd flowers.
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