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Fill in the Blank: "Epicurus Campaigned Primarily Against _________________"

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    • April 24, 2023 at 10:42 AM
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    I like to regularly make lists to prioritize my thinking, and here is one of interest today: What are the major categories of errors that Epicurus held to be particularly worthy of campaigning against? Often it is easier to categorize negatively rather than to set things out positively and so the following is a list of obvious candidates - without concern as to order.

    What else would you add to complete the sentence: Epicurus campaigned primarily against _______________:

    • Supernatural Religion
    • Life After Death
    • Skepticism
    • Determinism
    • Rationalism (Misrepresentation of the Proper Perspective Toward "Logic")
    • Misinterpretation of How To Treat Pleasure and Pain
    • Misrepresentation of "Virtue" / "Being a Good Person" as the goal of life, rather than the means

    Some of these that I have listed are related (Skepticism / Rationalism and Supernatural Religion/Life After Death are obviously tied together), but I think they are separate enough to address individually.

    It would be helpful to get suggestions and see what people think as a way of fine-tuning the list. For example when first writing the list I left out "life after death." Any other major targets missing?

    As another aspect, It seems to me that all of the practical advice about pleasure and pain and desires and choices and avoidances really falls under the single category of dealing properly with pleasure and pain. That category title might need rewording, but it seems to me that all the natural and necessary and other analysis issues like that are really subsets of how to apply pleasure and pain in decisionmaking, which seems to me to be how the Torquatus material presents them - as a single unit of how people make mistakes with pleasure and pain.

  • Cassius April 24, 2023 at 10:42 AM

    Moved the thread from forum Level Three And Above Discussion to forum General Discussion And Navigation.
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    • April 24, 2023 at 11:04 AM
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    Fear, anxiety, and pain.

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    • April 25, 2023 at 8:53 AM
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    Quote from Cassius

    What else would you add to complete the sentence: Epicurus campaigned primarily against _______________:

    ...that the gods are involved with humanity, and that they are angry and jealous. And that phenomenon have supernatural origins.

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    • April 25, 2023 at 3:45 PM
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    Platonism! He had his Garden on the same road as the competition. The Academy. :)

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    • April 25, 2023 at 6:59 PM
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    kochiekoch so we can keep things organized but still capture the widest list, what do you consider to be the key aspects of "Platonism" that Epicurus was against?

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    • April 26, 2023 at 6:07 PM
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    The mysticism.

    Epicurus was materialist to the bone. Whereas Plato had his 'forms', out there in ozone, discernible, by reason; of which the reality we experience is but a pale image. Epicurus had his atoms everywhere at once, discernible by our natural faculties; forming our concrete reality.

    The goal of life, according to Plato was to get in harmony with the universe, and it's alleged perfection. The goal of life according to Epicurus was pleasure, in our infinite, and purposeless universe.

    Plato even encouraged the 'enlightened', as he defined them, to become involved in politics and govern. Epicurus took a different track with his admonishment to 'live unnoticed'.

    Taking a look at both of them, Epicurus is like an un-Plato! ^^

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