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    • March 5, 2022 at 5:19 PM
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    From reading the article it seems like there are interesting connections to be drawn, such as the solar plexus having an association with sight and the throat having an association with listening. I don't go in for the woo, but there are connections throughout the body that we don't normally think of and which can perhaps deepen understanding of certain pleasures and pains in some instances.

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    • March 5, 2022 at 5:43 PM
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    Instead of a Buddhist wheel of Samsara, my next idea for a drawing is an Epicurean wheel of Pleasure!

    Coming soon, and please enjoy your anticipation ;)

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    • March 5, 2022 at 7:33 PM
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    I guess that "the solar plexus having an association with sight and the throat having an association with listening" is rather a part of the woo-woo. Although the ancients did get quite some things right, most of those connections seem to be arbitrary and based on superstition.

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    • March 6, 2022 at 10:16 AM
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    Instead of a Buddhist wheel of Samsara, my next idea for a drawing is an Epicurean wheel of Pleasure!

    :thumbup: There seems to be Epicurean precedent for personal reinterpretation of established religious practices and symbols (per that paper recently re-posted by Cassius ). Look forward to seeing your work :)

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    • March 6, 2022 at 5:44 PM
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    As a starting point, I looked at Bentham's list of pleasures, but greatly modified the elements. This is just one conception. Not all of these will apply to everyone (nor appeal to everyone) and this is still a work in progress. Will appreciate any feedback.

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    • March 6, 2022 at 5:50 PM
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    My list of pleasures is very different than Bentham's, and in case anyone is curious about Bentham's list, you can find it here:

    An Introduction to the Principles of Morals and Legislation - Econlib
    The First Edition of this work was printed in the year 1780; and first published in 1789. The present Edition is a careful reprint of ‘A New Edition, corrected…
    www.econlib.org
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    • March 6, 2022 at 5:53 PM
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    I did not know Bentham had attempted such a list!

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    • March 6, 2022 at 6:09 PM
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    For easier reading, here is my list in simple text format:

    1. Pleasant sensations - sights, sounds, flavors, scents, skin sensations

    2. Pleasant relief - from hunger/thirst; hot/cold; sickness/pain; fear/worry; fatigue/stress

    3. Enjoyment of vigor and health - in bodily movement or exertion

    4. Enjoyment of novelty - of sensation, new places, new friends, new information, new learning

    5. Enjoyment of possessions and the act of acquiring the objects of necessity, well-being, security, or enjoyment

    6. Enjoyment of skill, craft, or work - competence of control of tools, technology, or knowledge

    7. Enjoyment of friendship - conversation, commonality, emotional intimacy and support, and mutual fun

    8. Enjoyment of community - participation, acceptance, and belonging

    9. Enjoyment of sports and games

    10. Enjoyment of aesthetics - art, music, theater, world culture

    11. Enjoyment of pleasant memories

    12. Enjoyment of imagination and anticipation

    13. Enjoyment of leadership and teaching

    14. Enjoyment of giving - service and aid

    15. Enjoyment of loving and gratitude

    16. Enjoyment of relaxation - solitude, meditation, sleep

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    • April 4, 2022 at 10:31 AM
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    So interesting thank you.

    What do you think about Maslow's hierarchy of needs?

    All of these seem to fall on some of those categories.

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    • April 5, 2022 at 9:49 PM
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    Mathitis Kipouros regarding Maslow's hierarchy of needs, I found this article which gave some interesting points, as well as a revised pyramid which replaced self-actualization with parenting :D

    The article says regarding the original pyramid:

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    The needs described in Maslow's theory appear to be universal. However, research shows that the order in which these needs are met had little impact on people's satisfaction with life.

    ....The authors of the article suggested that while self-actualization is still significant and interesting, it is not an evolutionarily fundamental need.

    Is Maslow's Famous Hierarchy of Needs Still Relevant Today?
    The hierarchy of needs has a history of wide acceptance despite little supporting evidence. Does the theory hold up or is it time for an update?
    www.verywellmind.com

    It seems to me that Epicureanism goes beyond needs to put a value judgment on finding enjoyment in life -- we are out in the garden of the world actively looking for flowers and not for weeds. And the Tetrapharmakos says: "what is good is easy to get".

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    • April 10, 2022 at 1:01 PM
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    Here is a quick sketch of something less "woo-woo" -- though it leaves a lot out and would be open to hearing feedback or additional ideas for labels, etc. And may need to show how to integrate of feelings, emotions, sensations, desires, etc.

    Epicurean chakras! :thumbup:

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

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    • January 24, 2025 at 6:42 PM
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    Thinking about ways to bring more pleasure into my life, and found this list, which has an assortment of items (but many of these are a matter of personal taste, not all of these would work, and... there could be many more things besides just these 50)...

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    50 Enjoyable Activities:

    1. Go for a walk
    2. Listen to music
    3. Take photographs
    4. Read a newspaper or magazine
    5. Take a bath
    6. Sit in the sun
    7. Watch a movie
    8. Laugh
    9. Write in a journal
    10. Work on a puzzle
    11. Recall a happy memory
    12. Coloring
    13. Gardening
    14. Spend time with friends
    15. Do yoga
    16. Swimming
    17. Singing
    18. Dancing
    19. Go to a flea market
    20. Drawing or doodling
    21. Painting
    22. Buy fresh flowers
    23. Join a book club
    24. Go to a farmer’s market
    25. Be affectionate with a loved one
    26. Play a musical instrument
    27. Crafting (crochet, model building)
    28. Get a manicure or pedicure
    29. Cooking
    30. Jogging or running
    31. Play a sport
    32. Go sightseeing in your own town
    33. Read a book
    34. Meditate
    35. Watch a sunrise or sunset
    36. Enjoy a cup of tea
    37. Have a picnic
    38. Visit a museum
    39. Sudoku or a crossword puzzle
    40. Play a board game
    41. Look at old photos
    42. Light a scented candle
    43. Call a friend or family member
    44. Hiking
    45. Get a massage
    46. Volunteer
    47. Go to the library
    48. Go to a park
    49. Stargazing
    50. Explore somewhere new

    Source

    And here is another list from another website:

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    List Of Pleasurable Activities On Your Own:

    Spending time in your own company can be an easy way to increase pleasure – as long as your time is focused on some useful things. Here are some ‘you-time’ activity ideas…

    – Read a trashy book
    – watch a favourite movie
    – Eat something that you haven’t tried for a while
    – take a walk and really focus on what’s around you, rather then what’s in your mind
    – Play a game or puzzle
    – Doodle or draw a picture
    – cook a favourite meal
    – do an activity that will switch your body on such as a brisk walk or swim.
    – Write a bucket list
    – Find out more about something that makes you curious.
    – dress up in your best clothes, just for the fun of it
    – spend an hour spotting local wildlife

    List Of Pleasurable Activities To Do With Friends:

    Connecting with people that are important to you can be pleasurable in itself, but sharing a common task or goal and keep your mind focused. If this focus is on something pleasurable then you can get two benefits in on!

    – Go for a walk together
    – Cook a meal for them
    – Write or call a friend you have lost touch with
    – have a mini fun competition together
    – play an old fashioned board game
    – sign up to an evening class together
    – have a spa day together

    List Of Pleasurable Activities To Do With Your Family and Partner :

    Spending quality time with your family or partner is a key way to increase your psychological wellbeing. However it is also one of the things that tends to get forgotten about first. Here are some ideas that don’t just mean you are together, but that you actually get to enjoy being together…

    – Talk about something you’ve never spoken about before
    – Eat a meal together
    – visit somewhere new
    – plan a holiday together
    – Ask or offer a massage
    – Do an indoor camping trip in your front room

    Things To Keep In Mind About Increasing Opportunities For Feeling Enjoyment And Pleasure…

    Remember that when you start increasing pleasurable activities in your life, that it is unlikely that you will experience a sudden and extreme change in emotion. Rather, by doing small and regular amounts of pleasurable activities intentionally, your mind will begin to learn to identify moment by moment times in which you get get enjoyment. The big picture here is that you increase you mind’s ability to experience pleasure – and whether you are happy with life, or are having difficulties currently, this can only be a positive change to make.

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    • January 25, 2025 at 1:21 PM
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    Along these lines, I have been thinking that a "spa day" is mostly a mindset, and it can be most days!

    An electric kettle heats up water to boiling in a minute, add the hot water into a little tub, and soak your feet wherever you are.

    Automatic back and foot massagers are a cheap investment and feel great.

    Applying body oil after the shower is good for the skin and makes it feel more comfortable to wear.

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