Threads of Epicureanism in Art and Literature

I forgot to put Sade's Lucretian poem in here.

Marquis de Sade; "La Verite" 1787. My thread and translation of it is here.

Erasmus Darwin; "The Temple of Nature Or, The Origin of Society: A Poem, With Philosophical Notes" 1803 (posth.)

John of Salisbury; "Policraticus" c. 1159. The first work of political theory in the Middle Ages, a mirror book for Princes. He advocates for divine right and necessary tyrannicide from the will of the people

[In reference to the four rivers of Eden] 'four rivers which spring for Epicureans from the fount of lustfulness'.

Huge find.

Peter Abelard; "Dialogue Between a Philosopher, a Jew,and a Christian" c. 1136/1139

Will cover more tomorrow as I read the text.

Worth noting too that John of Salisbury was a student of Abelard.

Edit: I see these two were first mentioned in this thread Aurelian Robert and his book.

I googled for "Philosopher / Jew / Christian " but didn't find a good free text. Please post a link if you find one Charles - thanks.

I hope you don't mind, but I couldn't resist trying to find the books you mentioned online. The Tyndall one of far more detailed about Epicurus than I expected.

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John Tyndall; The Belfast Address; 1874. A history of atomism, and an argument against the 'God of the Gaps'.

Address delivered before the British association assembled at Belfast.

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George Santayana; Three Philosophical Poets;1910. Contrasts Lucretius, Dante, and Goethe.

Three philosophical poets: Lucretius, Dante, and Goethe, by George Santayana...

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James Parks Caldwell; Diary; 1863-1864. Prison diary of a Confederate soldier, praises Lucretius.

I wasn't able to find this one freely available. It appears the diary was first published in book form in A Northern Confederate at Johnson's Island Prison: The Civil War Diaries of James Parks Caldwell, George H. Jones, Ed. 2010. 277 pages.

"A college graduate at 16 and a founder of the Sigma Chi fraternity, Caldwell entered the Confederate Army as an artillery lieutenant. He fought at Shiloh, Port Hudson and other campaigns before being captured in 1863 and imprisoned on Johnson's Island, in Lake Erie, near Sandusky, Ohio. He kept a daily diary for 18 months, describing the prison food and conditions, as well as his classical and intellectual interests. The book features letters, a poem, notes, and an index."

I would particularly like to track down the Lucretius excepts from the prison diary as I have a number of friends with whom those would be very useful.

I have never read the Belfast address and will try to do so today. It would be a lot easier for me personally if we had audio copies read by someone sympathetic - I wonder who that might be?

Failing that (and no doubt for good reason) we can always run some of these through one of the better text-to-speech engines, but that probably means have it in good "text" form from which an engine can translate.

I downloaded from Don's link several different formats. The PDF version is a series of images and this likely unusable. The Epub and txt versions are in decent shape, but will need editing to correct errors where the scanning and OCR failed.

I have done one run-through and uploaded a cleaner TXT version here: Tyndal - Address at Belfast

I also placed a copy here where collaborative editing can be done:

Tyndall - Address at Belfast - Epicureanfriends.com

www.epicureanfriends.com

That's not efficient to have two copies, but I realize that for someone who knows what they are doing, having the TXT file for use in a Text editor is a lot easier than trying to edit online.

I will work with this today and find a way forward.

Already the version in the lexicon might be usable if someone calls up that page and has a "text reader" application on their telephone.

If someone wants to try listening to this, here is an effort:

it's not great, but it's better than nothing, and can be improved.

Wow that was a terrible first effort. I will improve it and repost

Ask and ye shall receive... The Lucretius bits of the Caldwell diary (attached)

Except for the Biblical allusion thank you very much!!!!

Joshua after quickly scanning through what Don sent I think I am going to have to defer to you to assess the significance of it. Please let me know what you think whenever you get around to it. I want to get that text from Tyndal into better shape for an mp3 version and i will upload a new effort soon.

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Joshua after quickly scanning through what Don sent I think I am going to have to defer to you to assess the significance of it. Please let me know what you think whenever you get around to it. I want to get that text from Tyndal into better shape for an mp3 version and i will upload a new effort soon.

I got the impression while I was scanning that this would be more of a curiosity than anything. He certainly didn't seem to have any great insights, just wanted to read the poem.

Probably we're bearing too close for comfort to politics, at least without knowing where some of the answers lead -- if you do discover more about his philosophic dispositions let us know!