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General Discussion - Applicable To All Principal Doctrines

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What if Kyriai Doxai was NOT a list?
burninglights August 19, 2023 at 11:30 AM
Presenting the Principal Doctrines in Narrative Form
Don June 22, 2023 at 6:07 PM

PD 01 - The blessed and immortal nature knows no trouble itself ...

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The blessed and immortal nature knows no trouble itself, nor causes trouble to any other, so that it is never constrained by anger or favor. For all such things exist only in the weak.
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Don July 12, 2023 at 10:56 PM
Gratitude and Weakness (Especially In Relation to the Gods)
Don May 16, 2023 at 8:32 AM

PD 02 - Death is nothing to us ...

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Death is nothing to us, for that which is dissolved is without sensation; and that which lacks sensation is nothing to us.
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Dustsceawung - An Old English word for "Meditate on death"?
Don November 29, 2024 at 10:01 PM
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Kalosyni November 14, 2024 at 2:35 PM

PD 03 - The limit of quantity of pleasures ...

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The limit of quantity in pleasures is the removal of all that is painful. Wherever pleasure is present, as long as it is there, there is neither pain of body, nor of mind, nor of both at once.
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Don July 18, 2023 at 8:36 AM
General Commentary - Doctrine 3
Bryan January 16, 2021 at 11:38 AM

PD 04 - Pain does not last continuously in the flesh ...

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Pain does not last continuously in the flesh, but the acutest pain is there for a very short time, and even that which just exceeds the pleasure in the flesh does not continue for many days at once. But chronic illnesses permit a predominance of pleasure over pain in the flesh.
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Godfrey July 24, 2023 at 1:04 PM
Chronic Illness (Pain) - Migraines and PD 4
Matt January 19, 2021 at 12:50 PM

PD 05 - It is not possible to live pleasantly without living prudently ...

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It is not possible to live pleasantly without living prudently, honorably, and justly, [nor again to live a life of prudence, honor, and justice] without living pleasantly. And the man who does not possess the pleasant life is not living prudently, honorably, and justly, [and the man who does not possess the virtuous life] cannot possibly live pleasantly.
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Don August 1, 2023 at 1:30 PM
The Meaning of The Second of the Three Virtue Adverbs In PD5 - "Honorably?"
Joshua September 19, 2020 at 12:13 PM

PD 06 - Whatever you can provide yourself with to secure protection ...

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Whatever you can provide yourself with to secure protection from men is a natural good
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Don August 9, 2023 at 10:29 PM
Disputes as to correct translation of PD6 - Should it refer to "sovereignty" and "kingship"?
Don September 8, 2021 at 11:57 AM

PD 07 - Some men wished to become famous and conspicuous...

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Some men wished to become famous and conspicuous, thinking that they would thus win for themselves safety from other men. Wherefore if the life of such men is safe, they have obtained the good which nature craves; but if it is not safe, they do not possess that for which they strove at first by the instinct of nature.
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Cassius August 17, 2023 at 9:32 AM
Visualizing Principal Doctrine Seven
Cassius March 5, 2019 at 5:45 PM

PD 08 - No pleasure is a bad thing in itself...

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No pleasure is a bad thing in itself: but the means which produce some pleasures bring with them disturbances many times greater than the pleasures.
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Don August 23, 2023 at 9:26 PM
Visualizing Principal Doctrine Eight
michelepinto March 16, 2019 at 1:23 PM

PD 09 - If every pleasure could be intensified so that it...

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If every pleasure could be intensified so that it lasted and influenced the whole organism or the most essential parts of our nature, pleasures would never differ from one another.
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Godfrey September 10, 2023 at 9:13 PM
General Discussion of PD09
Cassius June 16, 2022 at 10:43 AM

PD 10 - If the things that produce the pleasures of profligates...

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If the things that produce the pleasures of profligates could dispel the fears of the mind about the phenomena of the sky and death and its pains, and also teach the limits of desires (and of pains), we should never have cause to blame them: for they would be filling themselves full with pleasures from every source and never have pain of body or mind, which is the evil of life.
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Elli January 13, 2022 at 8:39 AM
Commentary on KD 10
Don March 18, 2020 at 10:01 AM

PD 11 - If we were not troubled by our suspicions of the phenomena of the sky ...

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If we were not troubled by our suspicions of the phenomena of the sky and about death, fearing that it concerns us, and also by our failure to grasp the limits of pains and desires, we should have no need of natural science.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:39 AM

PD 12 -A man cannot dispel his fear about the most important matters...

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A man cannot dispel his fear about the most important matters if he does not know what is the nature of the universe but suspects the truth of some mythical story. So that without natural science it is not possible to attain our pleasures unalloyed.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:39 AM

PD 13 - There is no profit in securing protection in relation to men...

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There is no profit in securing protection in relation to men, if things above and things beneath the earth and indeed all in the boundless universe remain matters of suspicion.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:40 AM

PD 14- The most unalloyed source of protection from men...

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The most unalloyed source of protection from men, which is secured to some extent by a certain force of expulsion, is in fact the immunity which results from a quiet life and the retirement from the world.
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PD14 - Alternate Translations
Godfrey September 7, 2021 at 6:25 PM

PD 15 - The wealth demanded by nature is both limited...

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The wealth demanded by nature is both limited and easily procured; that demanded by idle imaginings stretches on to infinity.
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First Principle of Autarchy
Hiram August 9, 2018 at 11:59 AM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:40 AM

PD 16 - In but few things chance hinders a wise man...

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In but few things chance hinders a wise man, but the greatest and most important matters reason has ordained and throughout the whole period of life does and will ordain.
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PD 16 and Aristippan adaptability
Hiram April 25, 2018 at 9:16 AM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:40 AM

PD 17 - The just man is most free from trouble...

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The just man is most free from trouble, the unjust most full of trouble.
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Don July 17, 2023 at 6:53 AM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:41 AM

PD 18 - The pleasure in the flesh is not increased...

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The pleasure in the flesh is not increased, when once the pain due to want is removed, but is only varied: and the limit as regards pleasure in the mind is begotten by the reasoned understanding of these very pleasures and of the emotions akin to them, which used to cause the greatest fear to the mind.
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On the Limit of Mental Pleasure
Cassius June 23, 2015 at 9:42 AM

PD 19 - Infinite time contains no greater pleasure than limited time...

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Infinite time contains no greater pleasure than limited time, if one measures by reason the limits of pleasure.
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PD19 And The Meaning Of No "Greater" Pleasure
Godfrey August 24, 2022 at 2:46 PM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:41 AM

PD 20 - The flesh perceives the limits of pleasure as unlimited...

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The flesh perceives the limits of pleasure as unlimited, and unlimited time is required to supply it. But the mind, having attained a reasoned understanding of the ultimate good of the flesh and its limits and having dissipated the fears concerning the time to come, supplies us with the complete life, and we have no further need of infinite time: but neither does the mind shun pleasure, nor, when circumstances begin to bring about the departure from life, does it approach its end as though it fell short in any way of the best life.
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Commentary on PD 20
Cassius March 26, 2020 at 10:13 AM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:41 AM

PD 21- He who has learned the limits of life knows....

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He who has learned the limits of life knows that that which removes the pain due to want and makes the whole of life complete is easy to obtain, so that there is no need of actions which involve competition.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:41 AM

PD 22 - We must consider both the real purpose and all the evidence of direct...

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We must consider both the real purpose and all the evidence of direct perception, to which we always refer the conclusions of opinion; otherwise, all will be full of doubt and confusion.
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Thoughts On PD 22
Cassius February 2, 2021 at 3:34 PM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:42 AM

PD 23 - If you fight against all sensations...

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If you fight against all sensations, you will have no standard by which to judge even those of them which you say are false.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:42 AM

PD 24 - If you reject any single sensation and fail to distinguish...

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If you reject any single sensation and fail to distinguish between the conclusion of opinion as to the appearance awaiting confirmation and that which is actually given by the sensation or feeling, or each intuitive apprehension of the mind, you will confound all other sensations as well with the same groundless opinion, so that you will reject every standard of judgment. And if among the mental images created by your opinion you affirm both that which awaits confirmation and that which does not, you will not escape error, since you will have preserved the whole cause of doubt in every judgment between what is right and what is wrong.
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Bryan December 19, 2023 at 12:10 AM
Commentary and Translation of PD 24
Don December 9, 2023 at 11:41 PM

PD 25- If on each occasion, instead of referring your actions...

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If on each occasion, instead of referring your actions to the end of nature, you turn to some other nearer standard when you are making a choice or an avoidance, your actions will not be consistent with your principles.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:44 AM

PD 26 - Of desires, all that do not lead to a sense of pain...

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Of desires, all that do not lead to a sense of pain, if they are not satisfied, are not necessary, but involve a craving which is easily dispelled, when the object is hard to procure or they seem likely to produce harm.
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Does PD26 imply personal responsibility beyond oneself?
Cassius July 11, 2024 at 5:43 PM
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Kalosyni November 12, 2023 at 2:53 PM

PD 27 - Of all the things which wisdom acquires to produce...

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Of all the things which wisdom acquires to produce the blessedness of the complete life, far the greatest is the possession of friendship.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:45 AM

PD 28 - The same conviction which has given us confidence...

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The same conviction which has given us confidence that there is nothing terrible that lasts forever or even for long, has also seen the protection of friendship most fully completed in the limited evils of this life.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:45 AM

PD 29 - Among desires some are natural (and necessary, some natural)....

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Among desires some are natural (and necessary, some natural) but not necessary, and others neither natural nor necessary, but due to idle imagination.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:45 AM

PD 30 - Wherever in the case of desires which are physical...

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Wherever in the case of desires which are physical, but do not lead to a sense of pain, if they are not fulfilled, the effort is intense, such pleasures are due to idle imagination, and it is not owing to their own nature that they fail to be dispelled, but owing to the empty imaginings of the man.
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Breakdown of PD 30
Cassius April 22, 2025 at 2:47 AM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:46 AM

PD 31 - The justice which arises from nature is a pledge of mutual advantage...

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The justice which arises from nature is a pledge of mutual advantage to restrain men from harming one another and save them from being harmed.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:46 AM

PD 32 - For all living things which have not been able to make compacts...

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For all living things which have not been able to make compacts not to harm one another or be harmed, nothing ever is either just or unjust; and likewise too for all tribes of men which have been unable or unwilling to make compacts not to harm or be harmed.
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PD32 Graphic Meme By Elli
Cassius December 23, 2018 at 11:17 AM
"Rights" - Animal Rights and Human Rights
Cassius October 17, 2016 at 9:22 AM

PD 33 - Justice never is anything in itself, but in the dealings of men ...

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Justice never is anything in itself, but in the dealings of men with one another in any place whatever and at any time it is a kind of compact not to harm or be harmed.
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PD 34 - Injustice is not an evil in itself, but only in consequence ...

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Injustice is not an evil in itself, but only in consequence of the fear which attaches to the apprehension of being unable to escape those appointed to punish such actions.
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How Does PD 34 Relate to PD 32 As To The Nature of Justice?
Cassius December 9, 2018 at 1:51 PM
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:46 AM

PD 35 - It is not possible for one who acts in secret contravention...

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It is not possible for one who acts in secret contravention of the terms of the compact not to harm or be harmed, to be confident that he will escape detection, even if at present he escapes a thousand times. For up to the time of death it cannot be certain that he will indeed escape.
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PD 35, Plato's ring myth, and gods
Cassius December 29, 2024 at 7:35 PM
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Godfrey June 10, 2021 at 8:11 PM

PD 36 - In its general aspect justice is the same for all...

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In its general aspect justice is the same for all, for it is a kind of mutual advantage in the dealings of men with one another: but with reference to the individual peculiarities of a country or any other circumstances the same thing does not turn out to be just for all.
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Cassius November 19, 2017 at 11:47 AM

PD 37 - Among actions which are sanctioned as just by law...

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Among actions which are sanctioned as just by law, that which is proved on examination to be of advantage in the requirements of men’s dealings with one another, has the guarantee of justice, whether it is the same for all or not. But if a man makes a law and it does not turn out to lead to advantage in men’s dealings with each other, then it no longer has the essential nature of justice. And even if the advantage in the matter of justice shifts from one side to the other, but for a while accords with the general concept, it is nonetheless just for that period in the eyes of those who do not confound themselves with empty sounds but look to the actual facts.
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Bryan June 30, 2023 at 3:52 PM

PD 38 - Where, provided the circumstances have not been altered...

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Where, provided the circumstances have not been altered, actions which were considered just, have been shown not to accord with the general concept in actual practice, then they are not just. But where, when circumstances have changed, the same actions which were sanctioned as just no longer lead to advantage, there they were just at the time when they were of advantage for the dealings of fellow-citizens with one another, but subsequently they are no longer just, when no longer of advantage.
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Bryan June 29, 2023 at 4:07 PM

PD 39 - The man who has best ordered the element of disquiet...

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The man who has best ordered the element of disquiet arising from external circumstances has made those things that he could akin to himself and the rest at least not alien; but with all to which he could not do even this, he has refrained from mixing, and has expelled from his life all which it was of advantage to treat thus.
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Bryan June 29, 2023 at 11:45 AM

PD 40 - As many as possess the power to procure complete immunity...

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As many as possess the power to procure complete immunity from their neighbours, these also live most pleasantly with one another, since they have the most certain pledge of security, and after they have enjoyed the fullest intimacy, they do not lament the previous departure of a dead friend, as though he were to be pitied.
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Bryan June 28, 2023 at 2:23 PM
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