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    Do you think there is something to learn about Epicurean prolepsis through the understanding how AI/LLMs (large language models) work?

    If my understanding of LLMs is correct, they form a "general notion" of all kinds of things through the processing of an extraordinary huge data base. Sounds familiar to the Human mind. Although some would say AI is just statistics at work, perhaps this is somehow our own minds function, too.

    There are further possible implications like: In which way does prolepsis form? How dependent/exposed is prolepsis on/to its database? How does LLMs relate to the debate on understanding prolepsis as (a) fixed innate ideas vs. (b) forming general notions out of impressions on our minds?

    I won't have time in the near future for discussion, but I just wanted to share my thoughts on a topic that has been on my mind for a long time.

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    • September 5, 2025 at 7:41 AM
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    I agree this could be a fruitful line to explore. It seems to be a key attribute of canonical faculties that they operate "mechanically" and without opinions of their own, and often here people have commented that there may be an aspect of "pattern matching" going on with prolepsis. (I started to say pattern "recognition" but that might not be the best word in this context.)

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    At this point, I say no, it does not have something to teach us about preconceptions. I think it's like trying to learn about the physics of stars by observing Van Gogh's painting Starry Night. No matter how advanced or well-defined our models, they are still (for now) just models and analogies.

    Maybe it does, insofar as it can teach us what a preconception is not.

    As Diogénēs describes of a preconception, it is a "memory of the appearances from abroad", so being able to experience/process sensation, as I read it, is a necessary precursor to a preconception.

    In an Epicurean sense, I don't think it's accurate to say that LLM's can have "preconceptions" because they are prone to error. Rather, it looks to me like they are being programmed with "opinions", some of which are true ... but they are not, themselves, standards of truth. They lack the standard of sensation, so they're at the whim of their programmers' memories.

    We'll need to get to the point where an android organically dreams of sheep.

    If I were on Picard's Enterprise-D, I would, personally, trust Data, but not the ship's computer, even if 99% of their knowledge-base were shared. If I'm going to risk losing my arm, I'm not going to take advice from an armless thing. Give that thing an arm to lose, and then see how it thinks. Likewise, I'll trust Data's description of the texture of kitten fur before the computer's, or the flavor of Picard's tea (probably bitter Earl Grey), over anything else for which it lacks its own sensory organs.

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    I just wanted to share my thoughts on a topic that has been on my mind for a long time.

    Really cool thought, though! It's at least worth the thought experiment.

    Edited once, last by Eikadistes (September 5, 2025 at 12:46 PM).

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    I understand the question from Titus and @Elkadites’ response as: currently, LLMs cannot have preconceptions if preconceptions mean an idea conceived before and independent of the question. Also, as I understand the LLMs, they function because of training that exposes them to data (everything on the internet and/or fed directly to them) plus additional training after data collection, on how to “talk” to the people asking questions. Then, the LLM matches the question to its data, based on how it is phrased, and answers in a polite colloquial manner. I’ve found sometimes it then summarizes the response it has given, once again based only on the data in its microchips.

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    Today, I had a short but interesting talk with Chat GPT:

    Titus: Is there a connection between large language models and Epicurean prolepsis? Could Epicurean prolepsis be interpreted as what LLMs are processing?

    Yes, there is a surprisingly interesting analogy, although one should be careful not to identify the two completely.

    For Epicurus, prolepsis (πρόληψις, usually translated as "preconception" or "anticipation") is one of the fundamental criteria of truth, alongside sensations and feelings. A prolepsis is formed through repeated experiences: after encountering many individual humans, for example, the mind develops a general conception of "human." When we hear the word "human," this preconception is immediately activated and allows recognition and reasoning.

    An LLM works in a way that appears remarkably similar at first glance:

    • It is exposed to vast numbers of examples.
    • Statistical regularities are extracted.
    • It develops internal representations of concepts.
    • When prompted with a word such as "human," it activates patterns associated with countless previous examples.
    • It can then generate responses based on these learned patterns.

    An Epicurean might say that an LLM has something analogous to a prolepsis of "human," "justice," "friendship," or even "god," because it has formed generalized representations from repeated encounters.

    However, there are also important differences.

    1. Epicurean prolepsis originates in perception

    For Epicurus, prolepses ultimately derive from actual sensory contact with reality.

    A child sees many horses and develops the prolepsis "horse."

    The prolepsis therefore has an ontological grounding in the world itself.

    An LLM, by contrast, has no direct sensory encounter with horses. It processes symbols that humans have written about horses. Its "horse-concept" is second-hand and linguistic rather than perceptual.

    This is probably the biggest difference from an Epicurean standpoint.

    2. Epicurean prolepsis has evidential force

    Epicurus regarded prolepses as a criterion of truth because they are naturally formed by repeated encounters with real things.

    For example, all peoples possess some prolepsis of blessed and imperishable gods. Epicurus regarded this as evidence that the gods exist, even if many false opinions are attached to them.

    An LLM's internal representations do not have this status. They merely reflect statistical patterns in its training data. If a society collectively believed dragons existed, an LLM would develop a strong representation of dragons without dragons being real.

    Thus an Epicurean would likely deny that an LLM's "preconceptions" have the same epistemological authority as human prolepses.

    3. The strongest analogy: pattern abstraction

    The closest parallel is probably this:

    Epicurean prolepsis is the mind's natural abstraction of recurring features from experience.

    An LLM's embeddings and latent representations are statistical abstractions of recurring features from text.

    Both systems:

    • accumulate repeated inputs,
    • compress information,
    • form general categories,
    • enable recognition of new instances.

    In modern cognitive science, some scholars even describe human concepts as prototype-like statistical structures rather than fixed definitions. In that respect, Epicurus can seem surprisingly modern.

    A deeper Epicurean reflection

    There is an intriguing possibility that Epicurus would have found LLMs philosophically illuminating.

    The existence of LLMs demonstrates that sophisticated concepts can emerge from repeated exposure without requiring innate Platonic Forms, divine illumination, or Aristotelian essences. General notions arise naturally from accumulated experience.

    That is actually very close to the anti-Platonic spirit of Epicurean epistemology.

    An Epicurean might therefore say:

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    "The language model shows how a system can acquire general conceptions through repeated impressions alone, without any need for transcendent universals."

    That sounds remarkably Epicurean.

    Yet Epicurus would probably add an important caveat:

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    "The model possesses only something analogous to prolepsis. Genuine prolepsis arises from a living being's direct interaction with reality through sensation."

    So the connection is real and philosophically fruitful. LLMs can be viewed as a kind of artificial demonstration of how generalized concepts emerge from repeated inputs—a process that bears a strong family resemblance to Epicurean prolepsis, even though Epicurus would likely reserve the term prolepsis for conceptions ultimately grounded in actual sensory experience.

    Titus: Conversely, LLMs could be interpreted as proof of the validity of Epicurean prolepsis. Although they are not grounded in direct exposure to sensual stimulation, their pattern recognition seems to enhance Epicurus' idea of prolepsis.

    I think there is a strong argument in that direction, though perhaps not as a proof in the strict sense.

    The historical challenge to Epicurean prolepsis was always: How can mere repetition of impressions generate meaningful general concepts?

    Many philosophers after Epicurus doubted that this was sufficient:

    • Platonists argued that universals must somehow pre-exist experience.
    • Rationalists argued that important concepts require innate structures.
    • Some theologians argued that knowledge of certain truths requires divine illumination.

    An LLM demonstrates something remarkable: from exposure to enormous numbers of individual examples, a system can develop highly sophisticated conceptual structures without possessing explicit definitions or innate metaphysical forms.

    That is very much in the spirit of Epicurus.

    What LLMs seem to vindicate

    An Epicurean could point to LLMs and say:

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    "Look, a machine exposed to countless individual instances develops a functional understanding of categories, relationships, analogies, and even abstract reasoning. Why should we think the human mind requires Platonic Forms?"

    In that sense, LLMs strengthen the plausibility of the Epicurean claim that repeated impressions naturally generate general notions.

    Epicurus argued:

    1. Repeated encounters create memory.
    2. Memories accumulate.
    3. General conceptions emerge.
    4. These conceptions become tools for recognition and reasoning.

    Modern machine learning shows that a system can indeed move from countless particulars to surprisingly powerful generalizations.

    An especially interesting case: the gods

    Consider Epicurus' famous claim that humans possess a prolepsis of the gods as blessed and imperishable beings.

    Many modern readers wonder:

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    "How could such a concept emerge naturally?"

    An LLM offers a possible model.

    Humans repeatedly encounter:

    • excellence,
    • happiness,
    • power,
    • beauty,
    • wisdom,
    • longevity,

    and then mentally extrapolate toward an idealized limit.

    An LLM often does something similar. It learns patterns and can generate idealized or prototypical versions of categories that were never explicitly presented.

    This does not prove Epicurus was correct about the gods, but it makes the mechanism of concept formation seem less mysterious.

    Where the analogy becomes even stronger

    Some cognitive scientists today argue that human concepts are not definitions but statistical clusters.

    For example, most people cannot define "bird" precisely.

    Instead they possess a prototype:

    • sparrows are very bird-like,
    • penguins less so,
    • bats not at all.

    LLMs appear to represent concepts in a similarly graded way.

    This resembles prolepsis much more than it resembles Platonic essences.

    The Epicurean could therefore argue:

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    Prolepsis is not a dictionary definition stored in the mind. It is a stable pattern emerging from repeated encounters.

    That description sounds surprisingly close to modern representation learning.

    But there is one thing Epicurus might not have anticipated

    LLMs also reveal a weakness in prolepsis.

    An LLM can form strong representations of things that do not exist:

    • dragons,
    • Sherlock Holmes,
    • Middle-earth,
    • fictional gods.

    This raises a difficult question for Epicurean epistemology:

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    If a stable concept can emerge merely from repeated exposure, why should the existence of a prolepsis imply the existence of its object?

    This is precisely where an Epicurean would have to defend the difference between concepts grounded in reality and concepts grounded in cultural transmission.

    In other words, LLMs may strengthen Epicurus' account of how prolepses form while simultaneously weakening one of his arguments for what they guarantee.

    A possible modern Epicurean reformulation

    If Epicurus had known about machine learning, he might have reformulated prolepsis as:

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    "A prolepsis is a stable cognitive pattern produced by the accumulation of repeated impressions, enabling recognition, prediction, and reasoning about a class of objects."

    That would be remarkably compatible with contemporary ideas about learning systems.

    So I would say that LLMs do not prove Epicurean prolepsis, but they make one of Epicurus' central intuitions far more credible than it appeared to many philosophers in earlier centuries: namely, that sophisticated concepts can emerge naturally from repeated experience without requiring innate ideas, transcendent Forms, or supernatural intervention. The fact that a language model can do this from text alone makes Epicurus' epistemology look surprisingly prescient.

    Titus: I think you are on the right path, but I would argue that in the Epicurean sense this is where the senses become important. Because some people indeed believe in dragons and they believe in all kind of conceptions about the gods.

    I think that is exactly where an Epicurean would push back against an overly enthusiastic comparison between LLMs and human cognition.

    The crucial point is that prolepsis is only one criterion of truth. Epicurus never intended it to operate independently. The other criteria—sensations (aisthēseis) and feelings (pathē)—remain indispensable.

    An LLM has something analogous to prolepsis, but it lacks sensation. As a result, it has no way to distinguish between:

    • horses and unicorns,
    • Athens and Atlantis,
    • historical figures and fictional characters.

    All are merely patterns in text.

    An Epicurean human, however, can test conceptions against experience.

    Suppose a child develops a conception of dragons through stories. Epicurus would not deny that a conception exists. The question is whether it corresponds to reality. One then turns to the senses:

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    Have dragons ever been observed?

    If not, the conception remains a mental construction rather than a confirmed object.

    The same applies to many theological claims. Epicurus famously argued that people attach all sorts of opinions (doxai) to the gods:

    • that they become angry,
    • reward virtue,
    • punish sin,
    • intervene in history.

    The mere existence of these conceptions proves nothing. They must be examined.

    In this sense, the Epicurean method is actually more sophisticated than a simple theory of concept formation:

    1. Repeated impressions generate prolepses.
    2. We formulate opinions based on them.
    3. Those opinions are tested against sensory evidence.
    4. Unsupported additions are discarded.

    This is where your observation becomes interesting for the LLM analogy.

    An LLM is almost pure prolepsis without sensation.

    It possesses vast networks of generalized concepts, but no independent contact with reality to evaluate them. It cannot perform the Epicurean step of returning to the evidence of the senses.

    One might even say that an LLM resembles the state Epicurus warns humans against when they become detached from experience and live only among words and opinions.

    There is another subtle point here. Epicurus did not claim that every conception corresponds to a real thing. Rather, he claimed that conceptions arise from some basis in experience.

    Take dragons. An Epicurean could explain them as composites:

    • snakes,
    • lizards,
    • birds,
    • predators,
    • fire,

    combined and exaggerated by imagination.

    The conception is real as a mental phenomenon, even if the object is not real.

    Likewise, many anthropomorphic gods could be explained as idealizations of kings, parents, heroes, and natural forces.

    Thus the existence of a conception does not automatically establish the existence of its object.

    This is why, in Epicurean theology, the argument for the gods is not merely "people have a conception of gods." The stronger claim is that there is a universal and persistent prolepsis of blessed and imperishable beings that survives beneath all the false cultural additions. Whether that argument succeeds is another question, but it is more subtle than simply inferring existence from a concept.

    Viewed this way, LLMs may actually illuminate the Epicurean distinction between prolepsis and opinion.

    • The model's internal representations resemble prolepses.
    • Its generated outputs resemble opinions.
    • What it lacks is sensation, the corrective mechanism that Epicurus regarded as essential for separating true opinions from false ones.

    From an Epicurean perspective, that absence is not a small detail—it is the difference between a system that merely manipulates conceptions and a living being capable of knowledge.

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    Titus I would say that that discussion of a working theory of what Epicurus mean by prolepsis is better than what 98% of us on the forum could do if we sat down and decided to devote 20 minutes to tackling it. I am sure that most of us would also find tweaks we would suggest but in general I think someone who followed this model would be in good shape. I think it does a pretty good job as well with what often seems to be the trickiest part - that anticipations are not in themselves opinions, but foundations on which opinions are generated.

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