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Thomas Jefferson Thomas Jefferson, to William Short, October 31, 1819
I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus, in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that “that indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided.” Your love of repose will lead, in its progress, to a suspension of healthy exercise, a relaxation of mind, an indifference to everything around you, and finally to a debility of body, and hebetude of mind, the farthest of all things from the happiness which the well-regulated indulgences of Epicurus ensure; fortitude, you know is one of his four cardinal virtues. That teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them, like cowards; and to fly, too, in vain, for they will meet and arrest us at every turn of our road. Weigh this matter well; brace yourself up....
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  • Cassius August 29, 2026 at 4:33 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 349 - EATAQ31 - Objections To "The Evident" - Not Yet Recorded.
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    Welcome to Episode 349 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius August 29, 2026 at 3:59 PM

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    No doubt but you are right - it is certainly pleasurable to think you are going to live forever, and that is a major attraction of religion. And I suspect this would be why Epicurus suggested it would be better to live by a false religion than by a…
  • Robert August 29, 2026 at 3:17 PM

    Replied to the thread Discussion of Article - "Epicurus And The Pleasure Of Rebelling Against Plato".
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    Enjoyed this. Having recently finished reading Arenson, I appreciate how you wove her survey of Plato-Aristotle-Epicurus into your discussion. Since, as you point out, DeWitt's book is nearing its centenary, adding the more recent contributions of…
  • Cassius August 28, 2026 at 6:15 PM

    Posted the thread Discussion of Article - "Epicurus And The Pleasure Of Rebelling Against Plato".
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  • Cassius August 28, 2026 at 6:14 PM

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    Plato as the Mainstream

    Say the word “pleasure” in connection with Epicurus and many people picture the same narrow thing: If they have a positive outlook on pleasure, they think of a good meal, a warm bath, a moment of bodily comfort. If they have a negative outlook on pleasure, they think of conspicuous consumption, self-indulgence, and luxurious pampering. Rarely today is “pleasure” the first word associated with art, science, literature, exploration, or human achievement.

    This bipolar…
  • Cassius August 28, 2026 at 3:32 PM

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    Summary:

    Continuing Book Two of Cicero's Academic Questions, Cassius and Joshua close out Section 14, where Lucullus wraps up his summary of the Stoic case by taking a final swipe at Epicurus: that even Epicurus, who tried harder than anyone to rescue…
  • Cassius August 28, 2026 at 10:52 AM

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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 348 is now available: "Neither Logic Nor Logos Are Shortcuts To Truth”



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  • Cassius August 28, 2026 at 9:22 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 348 - EATAQ30 - Neither Logic Nor Logos Are Shortcuts To Truth.
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    This episode will be out later today.

    In the meantime I want to note a connection between a section of the letter to Herodotus that Joshua quotes in this episode and the issue of knowledge which is the overall topic of what Cicero is discussing.

    At around…
  • Cassius August 25, 2026 at 9:10 PM

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    Thank you Patrikios I think that is fixed now.
  • Patrikios August 25, 2026 at 3:30 PM

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    Cassius

    There is a miss-link. Under the Articles list, the entry for Christos Yapijakis: “Epicurean Philosophy, Modern Science, and Life”, links to a different article by Elli.


    It would be good to see more articles by Yapijakis and other medical…
  • Patrikios August 25, 2026 at 3:19 PM

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    Excellent closing;, or as my Southern Baptist relatives would say, “Great Altar Call”👍
  • Patrikios August 25, 2026 at 3:08 PM

    Replied to the thread Risk Aversion / Risk Management / Risk Avoidance / Risk Assessment in Epicurean Philosophy.
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    Cassius

    You are right that “risk” and the related “risk assessment”, “risk management”, “risk avoidance” are complex topics that affect many aspects of Epicurean philosophy. In Haris Dimitriadis book, “Epicurus and the Pleasant Life”, he discusses…
  • Cassius August 25, 2026 at 9:44 AM

    Replied to the thread Updates To Home Page - New "Featured Articles" and "Featured Podcasts" Sections.
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    The front page also now contains a list of the "Featured Podcasts" which focus on the core doctrines of Epicurus. This doesn't constitute a "Best Episodes" list, but it provides direct links to the podcasts we have done on the core aspect of Epicurean…
  • Cassius August 24, 2026 at 9:27 PM

    Posted the thread Updates To Home Page - New "Featured Articles" and "Featured Podcasts" Sections.
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    Today we've updated the home page to make it a lot easier to find the most important articles that we've posted over the years. Until today these were scattered over a wide variety of article and blog pages which made them very difficult to find. I've…
  • Kalosyni August 24, 2026 at 8:13 PM

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    The differences are explained by Diogenes the Oinoandian on his wall inscription, (fragment 32)

    "If, gentlemen, the point at issue between these people and us involved inquiry into «what is the means of happiness?» and they wanted to say «the virtues»…
  • Patrikios August 24, 2026 at 4:36 PM

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    Kalosyni


    This author used an interesting translation of ‘eudaimonia’ = ‘virtuous flourishing’, but was referring to the Aristolean definition of eudaimonia, which is achieved through virtuous living.

    Wikipedia provides some additional descriptions.

    […]

  • Kalosyni August 24, 2026 at 12:22 PM

    Posted the thread Joy through Engaging in Hobbies.
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    Here are some articles about pleasure and well-being when engaing in hobbies:

    https://time.com/article/2026/0…atisfying-life/

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-pra…e-perfect-hobby

    And here is a list for evaluating usefulness and pleasure:

    Evaluating…
  • Kalosyni August 23, 2026 at 3:47 PM

    Replied to the thread Risk Aversion / Risk Management / Risk Avoidance / Risk Assessment in Epicurean Philosophy.
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    […]

    The accessment of the likelihood of obtaining a specific good result is different than the likelihood of an accessment of something really bad resulting as a consequence.

    There are certain activities that have a higher likelihood of resulting in bad…
  • Kalosyni August 23, 2026 at 3:32 PM

    Replied to the thread The Joys of Experiencing Novelty.
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    Patrikios that particular article seems to be saying that some people have a hard time finishing projects because they "lose interest" but actually they are experiencing a diminished sense of novelty. And the solution to this problem is to re-direct…
  • Kalosyni August 23, 2026 at 3:28 PM

    Posted the thread Aristotle on Friendship (Article).
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    It looks like there is some overlap between Epicurus and Aristotle. As far as the third category (of Aristotle), that is addressed by Epicurus in Letter to Menoeceus which recommends to practice together with others.

    The following article covers…
  • Patrikios August 23, 2026 at 11:38 AM

    Replied to the thread The Joys of Experiencing Novelty.
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    Kalosyni ,

    Thanks for the interesting articles. I liked the “Neuroscience of Novelty”.

    What I understand is that Epicureanism values a pleasant life prudently seeking pleasures, but our brain’s dopamine system naturally craves prediction error.…
  • Cassius August 23, 2026 at 8:23 AM

    Posted the thread Risk Aversion / Risk Management / Risk Avoidance / Risk Assessment in Epicurean Philosophy.
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    This is to start a thread on "Risk" and how it relates to the way people choose between actions depending on the pleasures and pains they expect to result from those choices. Obviously in Epicurean philosophy there is no Fate nor is there 100% necessity…
  • Cassius August 22, 2026 at 10:53 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 347 - EATAQ29 - If You Think True And False Are Impossible To Find, Then Don't Talk To Me About True And False.
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    Full transcript

    https://epicurustoday.com/00-lucretiusto…347/#transcript
  • Cassius August 22, 2026 at 8:51 AM

    Posted the thread Episode 348 - EATAQ30 - Neither Logic Nor Logos Are Shortcuts To Truth.
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    Welcome to Episode 348 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius August 21, 2026 at 9:23 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 347 - EATAQ29 - If You Think True And False Are Impossible To Find, Then Don't Talk To Me About True And False.
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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 347 is now available: "If You Think True And False Are Impossible To Find, Then Don't Talk To Me About True And False”

    Complete transcript is here:



    [media]https://www.spreaker.com/episode/74457876/media
  • Kalosyni August 20, 2026 at 9:03 PM

    Posted the thread John Dryden translation of Lucretius.
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    Here is a link to John Dryden's translation, though it only has a few sections. (He may not have translated the entire Lucretius text, or perhaps there isn't a full translation online).

    https://www.gutenberg.org/files/54361/54…-h.htm#Page_311

    Wikipedia…
  • Cassius August 20, 2026 at 10:56 AM

    Replied to the thread The Joys of Experiencing Novelty.
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    I haven't had time to look at the links but I think this is a good direction. I don't think the statement that's often repeated to the effect that after all pain is eliminated pleasure is not increased but merely varied is intended to be a slam on…
  • Kalosyni August 20, 2026 at 8:54 AM

    Posted the thread The Joys of Experiencing Novelty.
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    Lately I've been thinking about how modern life ramps ups the novelty seeking drive. From a young age, our brains have been wired by complexities just like rats in cage with lots of toys and tunnels to run through. On one end of the spectrum boredom (and…
  • Kalosyni August 20, 2026 at 7:55 AM

    Posted the thread Happy Twentieth of August 2026.
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    Happy Twentieth Everyone! :)
  • Cassius August 20, 2026 at 5:08 AM

    Replied to the thread Complexity, Contradictions, and "Testing Out" Epicurean Philosophy.
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    In addition to what Kalosyni said, Patrikios do you recall specifics from this paper or have a link to it so we can pull specific points and consider them?
  • Kalosyni August 19, 2026 at 8:14 PM

    Replied to the thread Complexity, Contradictions, and "Testing Out" Epicurean Philosophy.
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    Patrikios Within Epicurean philosophy there is the removal of fears of gods and death, and removing anxiety regarding what to choose and what to avoid which is steering toward choosing for desired results, ...etc. ---> From Epicurus' PD's, VS's,…
  • Martin August 19, 2026 at 7:53 PM

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    Welcome SpectralOP!
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    Thank you, Cassius! Happy to join the forum :)
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    SpectralOP tells us:

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    2. I have been interested in Epicurus since reading about him in Bertrand

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  • Patrikios August 19, 2026 at 2:36 PM

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    […]

    DaveT Thanks for providing this insight into your perspective when you review and reply to posts and comments on various documents. I do find it helpful to gain background. Due to my innate curiosity and GaTech training as an engineer, I too have…
  • Patrikios August 17, 2026 at 5:40 PM

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    Kalosyni ,

    Thanks for this nice introductory 3-point image. I like how you simplify each step. From my perspective of attempting to introduce the Epicurean philosophy to younger people, I would rearrange and show your #2 (II.) as the first (I.)…
  • Kalosyni August 17, 2026 at 11:11 AM

    Posted the thread Understanding Earthquakes.
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    Just in case you were wondering if there has been an increase in earthquakes lately, this has very good explanations, from a modern understanding of earthquakes.

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/8/17…now-than-before

    (The Letter to Pythocles, section 105…
  • Cassius August 14, 2026 at 6:49 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 347 - EATAQ29 - If You Think True And False Are Impossible To Find, Then Don't Talk To Me About True And False.
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    Welcome to Episode 347 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius August 14, 2026 at 5:19 PM

    Replied to the thread All Pleasures Are Not Interchangeable - Pushpin And Comparing The Pleasure of A Great Physicist Making A Discovery To The Pleasure of A Lion Eating A Lamb.
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    It is clear to me that the topic of this thread is a continuing issue that needs regular discussion. Here's the original quote from Bentham in which he compares music and poetry to push-pin. He never says that they are objectively of equal value, he is…
  • Matteng August 14, 2026 at 4:35 PM

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    Cassius thank you, your post improves my understanding.

    Ok, yes seeing the cup as the whole life makes more sense.

    "more reason for joy than for vexation - having a positive balance of pleasures over pains"

    I first thought: oh that is an opposite…
  • Cassius August 14, 2026 at 8:50 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 346 - EATAQ28 - Epicurean Defense Of The Senses Against Plato's Cave Analogy.
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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 346 is now available: "Epicurean Defense of The Senses Against Plato's Cave Analogy" -

    Complete transcript is here:

    https://epicurustoday.com/00-lucretiusto…st/episode_346/



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  • Cassius August 14, 2026 at 8:44 AM

    Replied to the thread The Completeness (or Fullness) of Pleasure.
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    You are asking great questions Matteng and each of them require detailed response. This is quick start:

    […]

    No, nothing requires you to get the most pleasure you can out of life. Nature allows you free will and you can sit in a cave and eat bread and water…
  • Matteng August 14, 2026 at 8:10 AM

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    Pacatus Nice comparison, see it the same. Life as obvious basis than health and the peak Eudaimonia.

    Is it needed that the Cup „must“ be full ? I think we not only fill the cup with Pleasure but also and that can be an important point: adjust the…
  • Pacatus August 13, 2026 at 3:25 PM

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    […]

    What if we reframed Maslow’s “needs” (re the chart below) as Epicurean desires? Which might fall under the category of (1) "natural and necessary,” which (if any) under (2) “natural but not necessary,” and which (if any) under (3)…
  • Kalosyni August 13, 2026 at 7:54 AM

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    We had a very good discussion in last night's Zoom on this topic - "completeness of pleasure". It would be great if Bryan   Martin   Godfrey   kochiekoch   Cassius could add important comments that were said during last night, to this thread.…
  • Robert August 12, 2026 at 9:59 PM

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    Thanks, Matteng . I appreciate your perspective on this. Perhaps it's also worth taking into account the political environment of his time.

    This is a bit tangential, but my understanding is that, for several centuries after the fall of Mycenae,…
  • Matteng August 12, 2026 at 1:43 PM

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    Epicurus is frequently criticized because he allegedly advised against political engagement.
    But he teached against unnecessary desires like fame not to engage for better circumstances.

    Epicureans engage in politics when necessary. Why should one engage…
  • Kalosyni August 12, 2026 at 11:24 AM

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    Okay, thanks for letting me know. That is something I want to continue to work on. Cassius' self-paced guide linked above may be much more in depth and covering all aspects, so hope that is of interest.
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