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  • wbernys February 5, 2026 at 4:13 PM

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    Edited. Sorry.

    Here's another link if above doesn't work.

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc…y2SNQN23lM_X2wl

  • Cassius February 5, 2026 at 4:05 PM

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    I presume we can find on Academia but could you possibly a link?

  • wbernys February 5, 2026 at 2:59 PM

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    As is typical I find a good article after making a post.

    If anyone else is interested in this question I found a good article by Bill Wringe called "Epicurean Wills, Empty Hopes, and the Problem of Post Mortem Concern" which responds directly to Warren…

  • EdGenX February 5, 2026 at 2:21 PM

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    Welcome aboard Mlinssen!

  • Cassius February 5, 2026 at 11:57 AM

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    Ok so that's a big one. So there is no eternal soul?

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    Without being graphic, what's the general basis of this criticism. We know that Diogenes of Oinoanda is critical as well based on what appears to be general ethics, but what's the general basis…

  • Eikadistes February 5, 2026 at 11:54 AM

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    This is an awesome contribution of material. thank you for sharing your work!

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    I've come to the same conclusion with regards to translations. I've found that many of our translation of classical texts come from stuffy British lords in the late…

  • wbernys February 5, 2026 at 11:49 AM

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    Agreed, I feel like a common thread to the less insightful commentators is ignoring Epicurus aim of being a moral reformer and therapist as DeWitt explains. Emily Austin also i feel understands this point of Epicurus mission. I think philosophers like…

  • Cassius February 5, 2026 at 11:34 AM

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    (ADMIN NOTE) -- I moved two new posts over into this thread. For the time being let's keep the discussion of the Gospel of Thomas here in one place where people can best follow it. There is clearly some interest in this topic, but it's hard to assess…

  • Cassius February 5, 2026 at 11:14 AM

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    As we introduce Academic Questions in this episode, of particular note is Joshua's extended discussion of a "house of mirrors" analogy in characterizing the meaning of Plato's cave and associated non-Epicurean philosophies. The episode will be out by…

  • Cassius February 5, 2026 at 10:23 AM

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    Again Hania welcome aboard and let us know how we can be of help. There's literally lifetimes worth of material that are relevant and worth reading, and most of us take many years before things start to come together into a coherent whole. We're happy…

  • mlinssen February 5, 2026 at 10:05 AM

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    Epicurus, and Thomas

    I am going to start a new post on this, in order to try and keep it manageable

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    I will be going through Thomas up until 19, tasting death/mother, and try to summarise it in as few words as possible, including all logia in…

  • hania February 5, 2026 at 9:03 AM

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    Thank you Cassius and hello everyone!

    As stated in my message I am an aspiring young researcher. So far my main field of interest was ancient hedonism - so Aristippus and his school and of course Epicurus later. The main focus of my studies is then…

  • Cassius February 5, 2026 at 7:50 AM

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    I agree with your concern Wbernys. I strongly object to Cicero's analysis and my objection applies to Warren too. Getting rid of the fear of our own state in "being dead" is the issue I think Epicurus is addressing. There are many other aspects of issues…

  • wbernys February 5, 2026 at 4:28 AM

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    A strong objection to Epicurus found in Cicero and discovered in Warren (2001): Epicurus' Dying Wishes is that writing a will, and providing for people after die, such as Diogene of Oenoanda stone writings cannot be justified with Epicurus claim that " …

  • Martin February 4, 2026 at 8:13 PM

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    Welcome Martijn!

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 7:04 PM

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    Thanks to Nate for reminding me of that previous thread which I had totally forgotten. Glad to have you on the case, Nate, and I guess we should tag Titus here too!

  • DaveT February 4, 2026 at 6:53 PM

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    Yes, I read it!

  • mlinssen February 4, 2026 at 4:54 PM

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    Greetings, Eikadistes!

    Yes I saw that, and my translation got named at some point. I have found the answer to the title question in the meantime. From my latest Translation version:

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    Thomas opens with the words:

    these are the words which are hiding; IS…

  • mlinssen February 4, 2026 at 4:45 PM

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    For sure I'm here for Epicureanism, and the classical one at that.

    This will sound presumptuous, but I know of two (and then some) good summaries of Thomas, and I've pretty much read them all. Thousands of commentators view Thomas through an orthodox…

  • Eikadistes February 4, 2026 at 4:37 PM

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    Greetings, friend!

    We have some brief discussion of the Gospel of Thomas here, but it's largely as a result of a critical discussion about the book "You Will Not Taste Death: Jesus and Epicureanism".

    I would love to learn more about any linguistic…

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 3:31 PM

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    The thrust of Lucian / Lycinus' position is applicable to all schools. including Epicurus' school, because it's not a denunciation of all knowledge. It's a test of knowledge that applies to any school. I would say and I would argue Lucian saw too…

  • Joshua February 4, 2026 at 2:30 PM

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    I was primarily thinking of this other letter, which is the most relevant and accessible of Lucian's works that I've read. His expressed admiration for Epicurus in this letter may be a courtesy to his Epicurean correspondent, but I personally think…

  • DaveT February 4, 2026 at 1:29 PM

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    Joshua Thanks for your thoughtful post above. Your last line leads me to another question:

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    Do you mean Lucian's view as elsewhere stated? Because I was taking the thrust of his position as you stated to be applicable to Epicurus' school as well as…

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 12:29 PM

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    Of course we presume that you're here to discuss Epicurus, so of course focus on that, but why don't you point us to a place you consider to be a good summary of Thomas and that will probably help us understand your background better.

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 12:26 PM

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    I am not familiar with Thomas so as to understand the parallels but take a look around!

    I just got finished posting a link to an article on the Epicurean criticism of Socrates, so we all go forward knowing that there are different paths. We don't know…

  • mlinssen February 4, 2026 at 11:56 AM

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    Thank you Cassius.

    Pretty much the above has brought me here.

    I'm from NL and followed the equivalent of grammar school: 5 years of Latin and 4 years of Greek in secondary school. Socrates was my hero, all the Romans were boring: adolescence in a nutshell…

  • Martin February 4, 2026 at 11:21 AM

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    I started a conversation between us.

    For now, I see the isotacheian model as something complementary, e.g. as an exercise for students, but not as an alternative way of teaching special relativity.

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 11:13 AM

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    A copy of the Mark Riley article, which gives the most information about this, is here.

    Here are a few other collected notes:

    Criticism of Socratic Irony

    Citation: Cicero, Brutus 85, 292 (= Fragment 231 Usener)

    Text: "It marks a man as free from conceit, and…

  • jcblackmon February 4, 2026 at 7:49 AM

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    Hi Martin. I look forward to hearing your thoughts. I do plan to propose the isotacheian model as an alternative way of teaching special relativity. I don't know how we direct message here.

    And thank you Cassius for your message.

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 7:22 AM

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    Just as Lucian praises Epicurus' skepticism in Alexander the Oracle Monger, Lucian provides here an example of a practical skepticism that demolishes aggressive Stoicism and the pursuit of "philosophy" as an end in itself.

    I find his argument very…

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 6:28 AM

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    mlinssen tells us:

    I'm Martijn Linssen, author of 'the true words of Thomas' among others.

    Thomas may have an epicurean background. I have a classical education and have tried quite a few angles so far; while he certainly knew Phaedrus (Logion 47) and…

  • Cassius February 4, 2026 at 6:27 AM

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    Welcome mlinssen !

    There is one last step to complete your registration:

    All new registrants must post a response to this message here in this welcome thread (we do this in order to minimize spam registrations).

    You must post your response within 24…

  • wbernys February 3, 2026 at 11:15 PM

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    Greeting Hania! Happy to have you.

  • Joshua February 3, 2026 at 10:22 PM

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    I'm not sure I succeeded in using "far fewer words", but here it is ^^

    I didn't listen to it, but I did finally read this dialogue yesterday for the first time, and I did find it interesting.

    Dramatis Personae

    Lycinus is generally regarded as an authorial…

  • Eikadistes February 3, 2026 at 9:19 PM

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    Here are some similarities (and differences) between the two:



    PHILOSOPHYEPICUREANISMCYRENAICISM
    FounderEpicurusAristippus
    HistoryEpicurus (341–270 BCE) founded this anti-Platonic ethical philosophy of non-deterministic atomism with the support of his
    …

  • Cassius February 3, 2026 at 7:41 PM

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    Hania welcome, and be sure to let me know here or using the conversation system if you have any trouble with the forum software.

  • Cassius February 3, 2026 at 7:39 PM

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    Hania tells me:

    In general I am interested in ancient hedonism. My BA thesis focused on Cyrenaics while my MA thesis was mainly about Epicurus' philosophical therapy. I am now researching more contemporary interpretations of hedonims while working on my…

  • Cassius February 3, 2026 at 7:38 PM

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    Welcome hania

    There is one last step to complete your registration:

    All new registrants must post a response to this message here in this welcome thread (we do this in order to minimize spam registrations).

    You must post your response within 24 hours, or…

  • DaveT February 3, 2026 at 6:39 PM

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    OK. I listened and read along for about half of the text intending to do so to the end. Then I couldn't put up with the verbal dialogue's pace and instead skimmed the rest of it by reading mostly Lycinus' commentary. I need some help here. I can't draw a…

  • Godfrey February 3, 2026 at 4:13 PM

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    Totally agree regarding modern competition. I spent my entire career, particularly the last 25 years, in a highly competitive big city working environment. Unfortunately, during that time I had never heard of Epicurus.

    However, the last 25 years were…

  • EdGenX February 3, 2026 at 11:55 AM

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    No, worries, and I look forward to next time!!

  • DaveT February 3, 2026 at 11:43 AM

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    Cassius Yes, as I am not familiar with his school, and I'd be interested in determining the extent of his influence on Epicurus' school, particularly since the Cyreniac school disappeared around the time period Epicurureanism was introduced and began…

  • DaveT February 3, 2026 at 11:02 AM

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    The PD 21 speaks to me somewhat. As a small-town lawyer and then a writer and author, I understand you weren’t excluding any professions when you cited stockbrokers, etc. etc. as being the only ones subject to competition. I can add that in my…

  • TauPhi February 2, 2026 at 11:17 PM

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    The best online resource on Cyrenaics I'm aware of:
    https://lucianofsamosata.info/wiki/doku.php?…naics:cyrenaics

  • Bryan February 2, 2026 at 11:05 PM

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    This is great in many ways! This is Lucian's longest surviving work, and having audio versions of relevant writings is very desirable. I think they will be more helpful for “getting the word out” in the long term than written text.

    Different voices for…

  • Cassius February 2, 2026 at 9:15 PM

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    We've needed an audio version of Lucian's Hermotimus for a long time. Here's a first draft of one, with the two characters of the dialog recorded in separate voices, so the discussion can easily be followed even without the on-screen visible text. …

  • Cassius February 2, 2026 at 9:05 PM

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    Here is the first draft of something I have been thinking of doing for a long time: an audio version of Lucian's "Hermotimus." It's far from perfect but so far as I know it's the only audio version of this dialog available. If you keep your…

  • Kalosyni February 2, 2026 at 5:29 PM

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    Here is alternative to rings & necklaces:

    One inexpensive thing to do is to find an image of Epicurus online, and then print it out and frame it. Most libraries have printers if you don't have one yourself. The frame won't cost too much if you make it…

  • Eikadistes February 2, 2026 at 4:22 PM

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    I am curious, too, if anyone has discovered any new seller! The only place I knew was Shapeways and Thangs Marketplace for 3D Creators. There was previously an order for a pendant with Epíkouros' face, available in plastic, silver, and gold, but they…

  • wbernys February 2, 2026 at 2:01 PM

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    Hope this appropriate for discussion. So i am getting really big into Epicurean iconography, just ordered a bunch of shirts and socks from the Epicurean Emporium but i would like some necklaces or rings, especially want a necklace, unfortunately they all…

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