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I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus, in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that “that indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided.” Your love of repose will lead, in its progress, to a suspension of healthy exercise, a relaxation of mind, an indifference to everything around you, and finally to a debility of body, and hebetude of mind, the farthest of all things from the happiness which the well-regulated indulgences of Epicurus ensure; fortitude, you know is one of his four cardinal virtues. That teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them, like cowards; and to fly, too, in vain, for they will meet and arrest us at every turn of our road. Weigh this matter well; brace yourself up....
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  • EpicuriousDavid October 6, 2026 at 1:28 AM

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  • Robert October 5, 2026 at 9:41 PM

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    wbernys we could also approach the question from the opposite direction: "what causes people to make imprudent choices?" Off the top of my head, I would say there's an easy problem and a harder problem.

    The easy problem involves people who make choices…
  • Cassius October 5, 2026 at 12:48 PM

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    in fact, how can you be "prudent" unless you have firm knowledge of the consequences of the relevant choices? That's a major problem with talking about any virtue in the first place - unless you can predict the consequences of the actions you don't…
  • Cassius October 5, 2026 at 6:30 AM

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    I think you are right that both prudence and knowledge of the fundamentals are needed.
  • wbernys October 4, 2026 at 10:53 PM

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    Sure, it seems like DeWitt thinks of Epicurean reason as just prudence only, knowing how to make proper decisions.

    While that is an important part, I also think Epicurus count theoretical wisdom as well, like The Nature of the Gods, the nothingness of…
  • Cassius October 4, 2026 at 9:27 PM

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    If I am reading your post correctly, you're focusing on DeWitt's comment which focuses on justice meaning "obedience to the written laws of the country."

    I agree that it's far too narrow to equate "obedience to the written law of a country " with…
  • wbernys October 4, 2026 at 5:45 PM

    Posted the thread Criticism of Dewitt's interpretation of Principal Doctrine 5..
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    Dewitt in his "Epicurus and his Philosophy" interprets Principal Doctrine 5 "as follows.

    […]

    It seems everyone I've seen agrees with this idea, at least if they have commented on it.

    For my part, i actually disagree with this interpretation, largely because…
  • Cassius October 4, 2026 at 10:55 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism - Not Yet Recorded.
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    We are referring today (in part) to Seneca's letter 113:

    https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Moral_let…lius/Letter_113
  • Cassius October 4, 2026 at 10:06 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism - Not Yet Recorded.
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    Additional notes - this from Claude:

    That cross-reference carries the argument, because in §85 Cicero, replying to Lucullus, names the doctrine's owners himself. He says the claim that everything is in a class of its own and that nothing is the same as…
  • Cassius October 4, 2026 at 9:38 AM

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    I see from inital searching that there is an academic consensus that this is Lucullus talking about the Stoics themselves, and that Cicero himself seems to corroborate this later in Cicero's own part of the argument. So likely there are similiarities…
  • Cassius October 3, 2026 at 8:00 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism - Not Yet Recorded.
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    As we brought up in last week's episode, Lucullus (speaking for the Stoics) says that the skeptics like to cite Democritus (not Epicurus) for the position that nothing can be known.

    This week the first statement in section 18 returns to that point, again…
  • Cassius October 3, 2026 at 7:51 AM

    Posted the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism - Not Yet Recorded.
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    Welcome to Episode 354 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius October 3, 2026 at 7:43 AM

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    Welcome mrjoeshell who tells us this:

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    Thank you for registering at EpicureanFriends.com, and for writing to us about your background and interest in Epicurus. We look forward to hearing more from you!

    As a reminder, all posts are subject to our …
  • Cassius October 3, 2026 at 7:26 AM

    Replied to the thread VS14 And "Leisure - The Basis Of Culture" by Josef Pieper.
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    Kalosyni has pointed out this earlier thread. I won't merge the two since this one is about the Pieper book, but the topics are very closely aligned so anyone following this thread should check the earlier one:

    VS14 - "Occupied" vs. "Without Allowing…
  • Kalosyni October 2, 2026 at 4:49 PM

    Posted the thread Marcellus Palingenius Stellatus - AN ENCOUNTER WITH EPICURUS - translated excerpt from “Zodiacus Vitae”.
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    Here is a newly rendered English version, created by TauPhi (PDF document)

    Excerpt translated by Marcellus Palingenius Stellatus’ poem “Zodiacus Vitae” (1536)[Liber III - Gemini]

    Translated out of Latin into Early Modern English under the title of “The…
  • Kalosyni October 2, 2026 at 7:13 AM

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    Bryan I've resorted to using Google:

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  • Cassius October 1, 2026 at 9:38 PM

    Replied to the thread VS14 And "Leisure - The Basis Of Culture" by Josef Pieper.
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    Your comment there SillyApe illustrates what I am getting at -- there are lots of ambiguities in the way we are discussing this in modern English that I don't think Epicurus intended to be including.

    I think Epicurus was very clear that there are only two…
  • SillyApe October 1, 2026 at 5:32 PM

    Replied to the thread VS14 And "Leisure - The Basis Of Culture" by Josef Pieper.
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    The way I see it, work is that which we do mostly to obtain the means for our survival(and for the acquisition of other, more extravagant things). For example, one may work as a programmer. Even if they find pleasure in coding, if they won the…
  • Patrikios October 1, 2026 at 2:23 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 352 - EATAQ34 - Dogs, Wolves, And What Is That In Sheeps' Clothing?.
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    Thanks Joshua and Cassius for another enlightening podcast. When you positioned Epicurus philosophy between these two extremes, it helps me see clearer how these same arguments are being articulated in today’s world.

    Unfortunately, we see too…
  • Kalosyni October 1, 2026 at 10:19 AM

    Posted the thread What a Healthy Relationship Looks Like (Article).
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    In our current modern cultural environment, longterm relationships (whether co-habitating or married) are most often a main source for friendship (and we all know that PD27 says: "Of all the things which wisdom acquires to produce the blessedness of…
  • Cassius October 1, 2026 at 8:50 AM

    Replied to the thread Lucretius' Appearance - Research into What He Looked Like.
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    Someone on Facebook asked about the Lucretius engraving and that caused me to see that we don't have in this thread a facsimile of Munro's note about the ring - here is a copy of that.

  • Cassius October 1, 2026 at 8:30 AM

    Replied to the thread VS14 - "Occupied" vs. "Without Allowing Himself Leisure.".
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    Thanks for getting the Epicurism.info translation -- I think there's a lot more to discuss to about the issues involved in the last part of this saying.
  • Kalosyni October 1, 2026 at 8:07 AM

    Replied to the thread VS14 - "Occupied" vs. "Without Allowing Himself Leisure.".
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    This came up in last night's Zoom, and if I remember correctly that Bryan said that one's work was what one had to do to provide oneself with essentials to stay alive, but when one wasn't working it was thought that they should be "in school" studying…
  • Kalosyni September 30, 2026 at 2:12 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    Evidently right now and in recent years there is a surge of interest in tarot cards, and people use it to aid them in making decisions according to an NPR article. But I don't think that would be a good idea at all.

    From a modern psychology…
  • Cassius September 30, 2026 at 1:53 PM

    Replied to the thread VS14 And "Leisure - The Basis Of Culture" by Josef Pieper.
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    This particular thread remains only a tentative recommendation until I have time to read more or someone else provides more of an endorsement.

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    I am thinking that this is really the issue - being clear what is meant by "work" and by "leisure." There…
  • SillyApe September 30, 2026 at 1:21 PM

    Replied to the thread VS14 And "Leisure - The Basis Of Culture" by Josef Pieper.
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    Thanks for the recommendation. This is a subject that interests me a lot. I first came across this idea when studying Nietzsche and it has stayed with me since then.

    I think this fits well with the Epicurean ideas about desire and its categories. Since…
  • Cassius September 30, 2026 at 11:32 AM

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  • Cassius September 30, 2026 at 11:28 AM

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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 353 is now available: "The Worthless Argument Of Those Men Who Wish To Throw Everything Into Confusion"

    Summary:


    This week we wrap up Section 16 of Academic Questions, where Lucullus turns from cataloguing the skeptics'…
  • Kalosyni September 30, 2026 at 9:51 AM

    Replied to the thread Elements of Epicureanism in the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam?.
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    I've just recently returned to researching more on the poetry of Omar Khayyam, and one aspect that does resonate with Epicurean philosophy is how he speaks about the physical nature of death and the finality of it. However, there is a strain of pessimism…
  • Cassius September 29, 2026 at 9:41 PM

    Posted the thread VS14 And "Leisure - The Basis Of Culture" by Josef Pieper.
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    I am not well disposed toward this book because I gather the author is religiously based, but I see that he talks about the use of the term translated as "leisure" in Aristotle and Plato, so I thought I would mention it here. I found a copy and read a…
  • Kalosyni September 29, 2026 at 1:46 PM

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    […]

    You could take a glance at this FAQ section, and ponder your own answer and then afterward click open to see what the answer is (answers are by Cassius or a section of the forum).

    https://www.epicureanfriends.com/wcf/faq-question-list/
  • Cassius September 29, 2026 at 8:20 AM

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    Interesting thought - but i don' think we have anything like that at the moment. One for the to-do list .
  • EpicuriousDavid September 28, 2026 at 10:54 PM

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    Is there a collection of short answer questions, kinda like the quizzes but more open ended? (Obviously these would not be gradeable like multiple choice)

    Or put another way: a collection of questions to ponder/consider while one studies Epicurus?
  • Matteng September 28, 2026 at 2:39 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    For me ? Everything, it is to much to tell here 😅

    I had religious education and was in an esoteric idealist bubble and the Internet was young and full pseudoscience and almost no one debunked it or it was hard to find.

    I was in wicca, christianity,…
  • Kalosyni September 28, 2026 at 10:52 AM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    Also: How to build healthy self-concept and making meaning in an atomistic worldview (free from the "supernatural").
  • Kalosyni September 28, 2026 at 10:22 AM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    […]

    Here are some suggestions off the top of my head, based on Epicurean principals:

    -- Understanding the limits of pleasure and pain

    -- Choices and avoidances - common everyday choices and also long-term lifestyle choices such as where to live, career,…
  • Kalosyni September 28, 2026 at 9:57 AM

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  • Kalosyni September 28, 2026 at 9:20 AM

    Replied to the thread History of Ancient Athens & Hellenistic Period.
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    Here is a website article which summarizes the Hellenistic period this way:

    […]

    Source:

    https://www.thecollector.com/ancient-greek-philosophy-guide/
  • Cassius September 27, 2026 at 12:17 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    No i didn't mean intentionally - just not used to hearing "staples" rather than "sutures" ;) Hope you will be well soon!
  • wbernys September 27, 2026 at 12:07 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    […]

    If you mean intentionally than no. From what I can tell I got a small cut at work by hitting my head, than made it way worse by digging at it like an idiot. It's a little speculative though.
  • Cassius September 27, 2026 at 9:12 AM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    I presume the staples means you cut yourself (?)
  • Godfrey September 26, 2026 at 8:36 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    wbernys I hope the staples turn out well for you!
  • wbernys September 26, 2026 at 1:14 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    I would also agree with this idea. To me, similar to SillyApe , Epicurus gives me a set of ideas to keep in mind.

    Likewise, I think Gratitude is the biggest improvement, I began to realize that Gratitude should be viewed like a muscle, you gotta…
  • Cassius September 26, 2026 at 12:37 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 353 - EATAQ35 - The Worthless Argument of those Men Who Wish to Throw Everything Into Confusion.
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    Welcome to Episode 353 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius September 26, 2026 at 12:27 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    […]

    Excellent contribution, SillyApe. Your post is a very good example of what it would be good to accumulate here.
  • SillyApe September 26, 2026 at 10:24 AM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    I am 23, so I am not far from 21, but this doesn't mean that there is nothing I know now that my younger self would have profitted from knowing.

    I think two of the most valuable things Epicureanism provided me were the value of gratitude and a strong…
  • Cassius September 26, 2026 at 6:28 AM

    Replied to the thread The Four Steps In The Academic Skeptic Denial Of Knowledge - And Epicurus' Response.
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    Here are two comments from another conversation that belong in this thread:

    […]



    […]

  • Bryan September 25, 2026 at 9:12 PM

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    Yes this is U126.

    To look at one manuscript, Vaticanus Palatinus Graecus 182 (Page: 176r), we have αὐτῇ



    […]

    I do like the option of αὐτὴν, and αὐτὴν serving as the accusative subject of παραινεῖν -- "νομίζειν αὐτὴν…
  • wbernys September 25, 2026 at 4:12 PM

    Posted the thread What is the meaning of "He thinks he preaches to her"?.
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    Diogones Laertius records various "scandals" of Epicurus and what critics were saying about him, one particular remark is this one below.

    "in another letter to Themista he thinks he preaches to her"

    Pamela Mensch simply says on this passage "The text is…

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