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  • "Pain does not last continuously in the flesh, but the acutest pain is there for a very short time, and even that which just exceeds the pleasure in the flesh does not continue for many days at once. But chronic illnesses permit a predominance of pleasure over pain in the flesh." Epicurus PD4 (Bailey)

    "Pain does not last continuously in the flesh, but the acutest pain is there for a very short time, and even that which just exceeds the pleasure in the flesh does not continue for many days at once. But chronic illnesses permit a predominance of pleasure over pain in the flesh." Epicurus PD4 (Bailey)

    “Pain does not abide continuously in the fesh, but in its extremity it is present only a very short time. That pain which only just exceeds the pleasure in the fesh, does not last many days. But long diseases have in them more that is pleasant than painful to the fesh.” Yonge (1853)

    “Continuous pain does not last long in the fesh, and pain, if extreme, is present a very short time, and even that degree of pain which barely outweighs pleasure in the fesh does not occur for many days together. Illnesses of long duration even permit of an excess of pleasure over pain in the fesh.” Hicks (1910)

    “Continuous pain does not last long in the fesh ; on the contrary, pain, if extreme, is present a very short time, and even that degree of pain which barely outweighs pleasure in the fesh does not last for many days together. Illnesses of long duration even permit of an excess of pleasure over pain in the fesh.” Hicks (1925) “Pain does not last continuously in the fesh, but the acutest pain is there for a very short time, and even that which just exceeds the pleasure in the fesh does not continue for many days at once. But chronic illnesses permit a predominance of pleasure over pain in the fesh.” Bailey (1926)

    “Pain does not prevail continuously in the fesh but the peak of it is present for the briefest interval, and the pain that barely exceeds the pleasure in the fesh is not with us many days, while protracted illnesses have an excess of pleasure over pain in the fesh." De Witt, Epicurus and His Philosophy 244 (1954)

    “Continuous bodily suffering does not last long. Intense pain is very brief, and even pain that barely outweighs physical pleasure does not last many days. Long illnesses permit physical pleasures that are greater than the pain.” Geer (1964)

    “Pain does not last continuously in the fesh: when acute it is there for a very short time, while the pain which just exceeds the pleasure in the fesh does not persist for many days; and chronic illnesses contain an excess of pleasure in the fesh over pain.” Long, The Hellenistic Philosophers 115 (1987)

    “Pain does not dwell continuously in the fesh. Extreme pain is present but a very brief time, and that which barely exceeds bodily pleasure continues no more than a few days. But chronic illness allows greater pleasure than pain in the fesh. ” O'Connor (1993)

    “The feeling of pain does not linger continuously in the fesh; rather, the sharpest is present for the shortest time, while what merely exceeds the feeling of pleasure in the fesh lasts only a few days. And diseases which last a long time involve feelings of pleasure which exceed feelings of pain.” Inwood & Gerson (1994)

    “Continuous physical pain does not last long. Instead, extreme pain lasts only a very short time, and even less-extreme pain does not last for many days at once. Even protracted diseases allow periods of physical comfort that exceed feelings of pain.” Anderson (2004)

    “What produces pain does not remain constantly in the body over a long period of time; it is rather that the maximal pain persists for the least span of time, and even that bodily pain which barely exceeds pleasure does not continue to happen for many days <in a row.> And, indeed, chronic illnesses themselves have an excess of what produces bodily pleasure over what is productive of pain.” Makridis (2005)

    “Pain does not last continuously in the fesh; instead, the sharpest pain lasts the shortest time, a pain that exceeds bodily pleasure lasts only a few days, and diseases that last a long time involve delights that exceed their pains.” Saint-Andre (2008) “Bodily pain does not last continuously. The peak is present for a very brief period, and pains that barely exceed the state of bodily pleasure do not continue for many days. On the other hand, protracted illnesses show a balance of bodily pleasure over pain.” Strodach (2012)

    “Pain does not last long in the fesh; in fact, extreme pain is present for the briefest time, while that which hardly outweighs pleasure does not last for many days. And illnesses that are prolonged may even afford the fesh more pleasure than pain.” Mensch (2018)

    “Pain does not continue for long in the fesh. Rather, the most intense pain lasts the shortest time; any pain that exceeds pleasant feeling in the fesh does not last many days; and lengthy infrmities have more pleasant feeling in the fesh than pain.” White (2021)

    “Pain does not abide continuously in the fesh, but in its extremity it is present only a very short time. That pain which only just exceeds the pleasure in the fesh, does not last many days. But long diseases have in them more that is pleasant than painful to the fesh.” Yonge (1853)

    “Continuous pain does not last long in the fesh, and pain, if extreme, is present a very short time, and even that degree of pain which barely outweighs pleasure in the fesh does not occur for many days together. Illnesses of long duration even permit of an excess of pleasure over pain in the fesh.” Hicks (1910)

    “Continuous pain does not last long in the fesh ; on the contrary, pain, if extreme, is present a very short time, and even that degree of pain which barely outweighs pleasure in the fesh does not last for many days together. Illnesses of long duration even permit of an excess of pleasure over pain in the fesh.” Hicks (1925) “Pain does not last continuously in the fesh, but the acutest pain is there for a very short time, and even that which just exceeds the pleasure in the fesh does not continue for many days at once. But chronic illnesses permit a predominance of pleasure over pain in the fesh.” Bailey (1926)

    “Pain does not prevail continuously in the fesh but the peak of it is present for the briefest interval, and the pain that barely exceeds the pleasure in the fesh is not with us many days, while protracted illnesses have an excess of pleasure over pain in the fesh." De Witt, Epicurus and His Philosophy 244 (1954)

    “Continuous bodily suffering does not last long. Intense pain is very brief, and even pain that barely outweighs physical pleasure does not last many days. Long illnesses permit physical pleasures that are greater than the pain.” Geer (1964)

    “Pain does not last continuously in the fesh: when acute it is there for a very short time, while the pain which just exceeds the pleasure in the fesh does not persist for many days; and chronic illnesses contain an excess of pleasure in the fesh over pain.” Long, The Hellenistic Philosophers 115 (1987)

    “Pain does not dwell continuously in the fesh. Extreme pain is present but a very brief time, and that which barely exceeds bodily pleasure continues no more than a few days. But chronic illness allows greater pleasure than pain in the fesh. ” O'Connor (1993)

    “The feeling of pain does not linger continuously in the fesh; rather, the sharpest is present for the shortest time, while what merely exceeds the feeling of pleasure in the fesh lasts only a few days. And diseases which last a long time involve feelings of pleasure which exceed feelings of pain.” Inwood & Gerson (1994)

    “Continuous physical pain does not last long. Instead, extreme pain lasts only a very short time, and even less-extreme pain does not last for many days at once. Even protracted diseases allow periods of physical comfort that exceed feelings of pain.” Anderson (2004)

    “What produces pain does not remain constantly in the body over a long period of time; it is rather that the maximal pain persists for the least span of time, and even that bodily pain which barely exceeds pleasure does not continue to happen for many days <in a row.> And, indeed, chronic illnesses themselves have an excess of what produces bodily pleasure over what is productive of pain.” Makridis (2005)

    “Pain does not last continuously in the fesh; instead, the sharpest pain lasts the shortest time, a pain that exceeds bodily pleasure lasts only a few days, and diseases that last a long time involve delights that exceed their pains.” Saint-Andre (2008) “Bodily pain does not last continuously. The peak is present for a very brief period, and pains that barely exceed the state of bodily pleasure do not continue for many days. On the other hand, protracted illnesses show a balance of bodily pleasure over pain.” Strodach (2012)

    “Pain does not last long in the fesh; in fact, extreme pain is present for the briefest time, while that which hardly outweighs pleasure does not last for many days. And illnesses that are prolonged may even afford the fesh more pleasure than pain.” Mensch (2018)

    “Pain does not continue for long in the fesh. Rather, the most intense pain lasts the shortest time; any pain that exceeds pleasant feeling in the fesh does not last many days; and lengthy infrmities have more pleasant feeling in the fesh than pain.” White (2021)



    Dewitt commentary is below from page 244 of "Epicurus and His Philosophy." This comment is among DeWitt's rare criticisms of Epicurus, but more can be done with this, and we should be able to find Platonic doctrine of which PD04 would constitute a refutation (probably related to Platonic doctrine also being criticized in PD03).

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