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    • June 30, 2024 at 12:52 PM
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    Hello Remus, welcome!

    I am not familiar with the Memoria Press version, but I would like to recommend Hans H. Ørberg's Lingua Latina per se Illustrata series (link). Everything is in Latin from the beginning, but illustrated and simple.

    Thank you, Bryan. That was helpful. Looking more at the Memoria Press course, it seems that they are teaching Church Latin, not Classical Latin, which is a deal breaker for me ;)

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    • June 30, 2024 at 8:29 PM
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    Hello Remus, welcome!

    I am not familiar with the Memoria Press version, but I would like to recommend Hans H. Ørberg's Lingua Latina per se Illustrata series (link). Everything is in Latin from the beginning, but illustrated and simple.

    Ha! I had already grabbed a link to drop here before I saw your post.

    I, too, recommend this as the best introduction. I also recommend reading the late Prof. William Harris' Homeric Prolegomena, but since his website at Middlebury College seems to be no longer operational, I'll see if I can attach a copy.

    It seems the PDF is too large. Here is a download link;

    Wormhole - Simple, private file sharing
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    Note to Cassius , it would be good to have a copy of this on the filebase here at the forum.

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    • June 30, 2024 at 8:57 PM
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    Thank you, Joshua. I think Harris' approach is sound and would apply just as well to learning Latin as to learning Greek. I took the group's advice and ordered a copy of Orberg's book. Thanks everyone!

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    • July 1, 2024 at 6:06 AM
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    Done Joshua -- When you get a chance can I get you to add some more description to the document listing?


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    PROLEGOMENA AD HOMERUM - Middlebury College - William Harris

    A thoughtful approach to acquiring Latin and Greek.
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    Thanks Cassius !

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    Seen on Facebook.... Made me chuckle...

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    I laughed because I am supposed to but I am not sure I get it ? ;) I can see the "pig" double-meaning, but why put the "vay" at the end?

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    The rules of pig-Latin;

    Pig Latin

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    I laughed because I am supposed to but I am not sure I get it ? ;) I can see the "pig" double-meaning, but why put the "vay" at the end?

    Latin: Veni, vidi, vici (I came, I saw, I conquered)

    "Old School" Pig Latin: eni-vay,...

    English: Pigs can fly. > Igs-pay an-cay y-flay.

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    The rules of pig-Latin;

    https://web.ics.purdue.edu/~morelanj/RAO/prepare2.html

    Wikipedia has a surprisingly extensive article on Pig Latin:

    Pig Latin - Wikipedia

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    • August 8, 2024 at 11:33 PM
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    I have been learning Greek (Modern) for a few months, but along side all the other books I am reading, it is going to take a while. I just started reading (seriously) about two years ago, and there is so much catching up to do, especially in the timeperiod we are in that has an abundance of material to learn.

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    • August 30, 2024 at 8:49 PM
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    Luke Ranieri included this in his latest newsletter:

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    As for Latin and Greek, here is a new Ancient Greek idiomatic expression I found while perusing LSJ:

    ἐπ’ αὐτὸν ἥκεις τὸν βατῆρα τῆς θύρᾱς "you arrived right on the threshold of the door" (attributed to Attic comic playwright Amipsias)

    It's Latin equivalent is tetigistī acū "you have touched it with a needle" (first attested by comic playwright Plautus), and these both mean "you hit the nail on the head."

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    Luke Ranieri's latest video on Classical Attic pronunciation. A great intro to pronouncing ancient Greek words.

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    • December 26, 2024 at 2:01 PM
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    I just came across another youtube on learning Greek (since every time I see Greek letters I have to mentally fill what I see with "sdfhsjdhfhsdhg" (not good, and wanting to be able to at least pronounce words).

    Also, hoping...perhaps Don after you're done with your current ongoing project, you could put together some kind of summary of all your helpful tips and links, into our wiki.

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    • December 26, 2024 at 10:50 PM
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    I have found there's no better way to get to know the alphabet - speaking as middle schooler me - than to try and write English in Greek letters. I literally took notes in junior high in Greek letters.. and that's what eventually put me on the path to try and learn Greek ("Well, if I'm writing in these letters, I should really know some of the language.") It's slow going at first. Write your name, write family members names, write pet names, write short sentences. Try to get "fluent" enough to write your shopping list in Greek letters. Write notes to yourself. Do you "to do" list. The next time you go to the grocery store, try something like:

    • μιλκ
    • εγγς
    • βανανας
    • βρεακφαστ σερεαλ
    • στραυβερρι πρεσερυες
    • κλεενεξ

    See if you can "decipher" those. :)

    You need to be a little creative. Ancient Greek didn't have c, f (use φ), h, j, q, v, or w, and we don't typically use ps, kh, and other such letters, unless you want to try a sentence like "ἑρ λιψ υερε κρακκεδ φρομ θε κολδ." Try deciphering that, too.

    It becomes a kind of code for awhile, fun to play around with.

    If you try this, the letters will become second nature, THEN you can start transliterating actual Greek words much easier... and then on to translation!

    NOTE: The video uses "Erasmian" pronunciation. I would recommend looking at Luke Ranieri's stuff on Polymathy, etc. including https://lukeranieri.com/wp-content/upl…-2021-11-21.pdf

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    • December 27, 2024 at 12:14 AM
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    πρεσερυες

    I can't believe it took me so long to realize there's no 'v' sound in the Greek alphabet. Wikipedia has it that the shift of beta from b to v may have started in the Koine period.

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    Beati hispani, quibus vivere bibere est.

    Translation: Fortunate are the Hispani, for whom living is drinking.

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    • December 27, 2024 at 12:19 AM
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    Yes, β as v instead of b may have started for some dialects of Greek in the Koine period. Classical Greek and Homeric definitely had "b". Βάρβαρος was definitely barbaros, for example.

    I typically used Υ/υ for U, V, and Y in my "code." Unless it came at the beginning, then ι: ιελλο συβμαριν or ΙΕΛΛΟ ΣΥΒΜΑΡΙΝ.

    See also

    Ranieri's Greek Pronunciation Chronology
    All Greek w/ Alternative Coaeval Pronunciations All Greek with Alternative Coaeval Phonemes,Luke Amadeus Ranieri's GREEK PRONUNCIATION CHRONOLOGY Spreadsheet…
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    • February 22, 2025 at 10:02 AM
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    This was too good not to share, from the upcoming Odyssey movie starring Matt Damon:

    TĒS THDPSSSSPS :D

    Coming to theaters in 2026

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    • March 9, 2025 at 8:29 AM
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    Fascinating Substack article on how the ancients learned Latin and Greek.

    History Of Latin Pedagogy: Part One
    How Did The Romans Teach Latin?
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