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  • The Ethics of Epicurus and its Relation to Contemporary Doctrines by Jean-Marie Guyau. Edited by Testa and Ansell-Pearson, translated by Testa

    • Don
    • May 8, 2023 at 7:39 PM
    Quote from Don
    Quote from Godfrey

    Once one has children, keeping one's calm becomes a natural and necessary desire. When looked at in this way, it bumps it up in the list of priorities to be dealt with.

    What's Epicurean for "Amen!"

    τῷ ὄντι! (tō onti)

    how are τῷ ὄντι doing? - Textkit Greek and Latin Forums

    Indeed! Really! In fact! In reality!

    Amen is actually ancient Greek ἀμήν (amḗn), from Biblical Hebrew אָמֵן‎ (ʾāmēn, “certainly, verily”) but I like τῷ ὄντι! for our purposes better.

    Of course, there's always By Zeus! ^^

  • The Ethics of Epicurus and its Relation to Contemporary Doctrines by Jean-Marie Guyau. Edited by Testa and Ansell-Pearson, translated by Testa

    • Don
    • May 8, 2023 at 1:20 PM

    monon hedone, monon aponia, monon ataraxia? ^^

  • The Ethics of Epicurus and its Relation to Contemporary Doctrines by Jean-Marie Guyau. Edited by Testa and Ansell-Pearson, translated by Testa

    • Don
    • May 8, 2023 at 10:42 AM
    Quote from Godfrey

    Once one has children, keeping one's calm becomes a natural and necessary desire. When looked at in this way, it bumps it up in the list of priorities to be dealt with.

    What's Epicurean for "Amen!"

  • The Ethics of Epicurus and its Relation to Contemporary Doctrines by Jean-Marie Guyau. Edited by Testa and Ansell-Pearson, translated by Testa

    • Don
    • May 8, 2023 at 10:01 AM

    I maintain that ataraxia is a sort of mindset. The metaphor is sailing on calm seas. It affects how we approach other choices. To me, ataraxia is the eye in the hurricane. We can have a tranquil mind in the midst of chaos. It's "katastematic" because it is a state of being arising from within. As opposed to the pleasure or pain that comes from activities.

    I fully agree that parenting can be chaotic, but we have the choice to deal with it calmly (at least internally) or with anger or impatience. And sometimes we will be angry but we need to know if it does, does it come from a place of correcting behavior of children or protection of them or from some other place?

  • The Ethics of Epicurus and its Relation to Contemporary Doctrines by Jean-Marie Guyau. Edited by Testa and Ansell-Pearson, translated by Testa

    • Don
    • May 8, 2023 at 7:54 AM
    Quote from Cassius

    don't think Epicurus expected that naming "pleasure" the guide of life could ever be interpreted as a call for the draining of all active physical and mental pleasures from life .

    Quote from Epicurus

    67. I do not think I could conceive of the good without the joys of taste, of sex, of hearing, and without the pleasing motions caused by the sight of bodies and forms.

    I continue to soapbox that all pleasures are included in Epicurus's definition of pleasure/hedone; however, he also taught that we can have more confidence in pleasure that arises from within ourselves (tranquility, memory, anticipation, etc.) than that which arises from outside ourselves (sex, food, music, dance, etc.) . That which arises from within are always at hand.

  • PD01 - Gratitude and Weakness (Especially In Relation to the Gods)

    • Don
    • May 7, 2023 at 10:21 PM

    "One who is blessed/completely happy/blissful and imperishable/indestructible has no troubles themself nor causes troubles for others; as a consequence, they are affected by neither anger nor gratitude; because all this would be an indication of weakness/sickness/lack of strength."

    ἀσθενεῖ

    • weakness
    • sickness
    • moral weakness, depravity

    Being affected by anger as a sickness or weakness makes sense, but why would being affected by gratitude be a sign of weakness? In the Letter to Herodotus, Epicurus wrote (10.77) "For troubles and anxieties and feelings of anger and partiality do not accord with bliss, but always imply weakness and fear and dependence upon one's neighbours." This appears to demonstrate that the negative aspects of anger or gratitude would be that it would show a lack of self-reliance / αυτάρκεια. If we needed reassurance / affirmation from others and didn't just do things because they were pleasurable, we're not truly living a blessed life.

    I would answer yes to Cassius's sentiment when he says:

    Quote from Cassius

    a "god" would be so self-sufficient that it would never experience an emotion of receiving something that it lacked previously?

    PD1 refers to those who are incorruptible and completely blessed. So, we "mere" humans should show gratitude.

    We need to also take into account what Diogenes Laertius reports that:

    [121] Two sorts of happiness can be conceived, the one the highest possible, such as the gods enjoy, which cannot be augmented, the other admitting addition and subtraction of pleasures.

    It seems there could easily be two standards when it comes to gratitude as well, one "such as the gods enjoy" and one for the rest of us who should be thankful for our pleasures that we experience.

  • VS52 - Happiness or Blessedness?

    • Don
    • May 6, 2023 at 4:56 PM

    Some other words:

    φιλία (philia)

    affectionate regard, friendship, usu. betw. equals

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, φι^λί-α

    περιχορεύει (perikhoreuei)

    To dance (χορεύει) around in a circle (περί)

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, περιχορ-εύω

    I like the connotation that the word has of dancing in a group, in a dramatic or religious chorus of dancers, not in a solitary way.

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, χορός

    οἰκουμένην (oikoumenēn)

    the inhabited world, particularly that known to the ancient Greeks: (sub-polar) Europe, (western) Asia, and (northern and Saharan) Africa

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, οἰκουμέν-η

    κηρύττουσα (kēruttousa)

    Attic form of κηρῠ́σσω (kērússō)

    • To be a herald or auctioneer
    • To make a proclamation as herald
    • (transitive) To summon by herald
    • (transitive) To proclaim, announce
    • (transitive) To command someone publicly to do something (with infinitive or dative of thing)
    • (New Testament) To preach the gospel

    δή • (dḗ) (discourse particle) + πᾶσιν

    • Adds temporal specificity: now, already
    • Adds emphasis: truly, !, indeed, in truth
    • Adds specificity: exactly
    • Sometimes ironical: no doubt, of course
    • With pronouns: of all people
    • + πᾶσιν "to all, every, each"

    ἐγείρεσθαι (egeiresthai)

    present mediopassive infinitive of ἐγείρω (egeírō)

    rouse or stir oneself, be excited by passion, etc.,

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, ἐγείρω

  • VS52 - Happiness or Blessedness?

    • Don
    • May 6, 2023 at 11:47 AM

    Here's a pertinent excerpt from my letter to Menoikeus translation:

    Quote

    Another pivotal word here is μακαρίως which appears to have no certain etymology but seems possibly to be derived from the idea of being wealthy in a literal and/or figurative sense. The usual translation is something like "blessed, fortunate, wealthy, 'well-off'”. That being said, "happy" or as Saint-Andre says "completely happy" doesn't, in my view, provide the overall sense of satisfaction or completeness conveyed by a word like μακαρίως. Keep in mind that this is a form of the exact word used to describe the "blessed" beings talked about in Principal Doctrine 1: Τὸ μακάριον καὶ ἄφθαρτον οὔτε αὐτὸ πράγματα ἔχει οὔτε ἄλλῳ παρέχει· ὥστε οὔτε ὀργαῖς οὔτε χάρισι συνέχεται· ἐν ἀσθενεῖ γὰρ πᾶν τὸ τοιοῦτον.

    "That which is blessed/completely happy/blissful and imperishable/indestructible has no troubles itself nor causes troubles for others; as a consequence, it is affected by neither anger nor gratitude; because all this would be an indication of weakness/sickness/lack of strength."

    That Doctrine's μακάριον is rarely translated as simply "happy" but rather "blissful" and other superlatives like that.22,23,24

    22

    https://books.google.com/books?id=sPCww…ymology&f=false

    23

    http://www.crossmarks.com/brian/allsaintb.htm

    24

    https://www.studylight.org/language-studi…/index.cgi?a=38

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  • VS52 - Happiness or Blessedness?

    • Don
    • May 6, 2023 at 11:40 AM
    Quote from Kalosyni

    the last two letters of the word look different than in the above ancient Greek (in post 1 above)

    The endings of ancient Greek words are very mutable: case endings, conjugations, etc.

    LSJ is *the* authority for definitions, too:

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, Α α,

  • Perspectives On "Proving" That Pleasure is "The Good"

    • Don
    • May 6, 2023 at 10:55 AM

    Adjective

    κρᾰ́τῐστος (kratistos) m (feminine κρᾰτῐ́στη, neuter κρᾰ́τῐστον); first/second declension

    superlative degree of ᾰ̓γᾰθός (agathós): best

    superlative degree of κρατύς (kratús) strongest, mightiest, most powerful

    Usage notes

    Used as the superlative of ᾰ̓γᾰθός (agathós), along with ἄρῐστος (áristos) and βέλτῐστος (béltistos).

  • VS52 - Happiness or Blessedness?

    • Don
    • May 6, 2023 at 10:25 AM

    See also

    Post

    PD01 - How Blessed and Imperishable Are Used in the Bible

    τὸ μακάριον καὶ ἄφθαρτον are the Greek words used in PD1

    I recently discovered that the famous Beatitudes in the New Testament use the same word as Epicurus's Principal Doctrine 1: μακάριος (makarios) "blessed" https://biblehub.com/greek/3107.htm I'm *not* saying that the Epicureans influenced the Bible writers (a la Dewitt), but I thought it might be instructive to see that word used in a more familiar context to add a different level of meaning to the Doctrine. The Beatitudes obviously applied…
    Don
    July 24, 2021 at 7:08 AM
  • VS52 - Happiness or Blessedness?

    • Don
    • May 6, 2023 at 10:21 AM
    Quote from Kalosyni

    Should the last word be translated as "blessedness"?

    μακαρισμόν makarismon is a form of the same word used to describe the gods in PD1: Τὸ μακάριον (makarion).

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, μ , μα^κα^ρ-ίνη , μα^κα^ρ-ισμός

    Note that the LSJ definition cites VS52

  • The Early Epicureans v1.0 [video]

    • Don
    • May 4, 2023 at 8:04 AM
    Quote from Godfrey

    Very well done Joshua !

    Very nice work. I kept imagining a David Attenborough voiceover. I can definitely envision the possibilities with this application now. Thanks, Joshua .

  • The Early Epicureans v1.0 [video]

    • Don
    • May 4, 2023 at 7:50 AM

    To my eye, Metrodorus looked younger - more youthful - than either Hermarchus or Epicurus.

  • The Early Epicureans v1.0 [video]

    • Don
    • May 4, 2023 at 6:54 AM

    Epicurus.info : Photos - Capitoline Museum (Rome)

    (Μ)ΗΤΡΟΔωΡΟC

    (M)etrodōros

    Looks like the stone has been repaired, splitting off the initial M.

    Epicurus's beard is typically more forked while it looks like Metrodorus's was more round.

    I think I've seen the Hermarchos bust referred to as Epicurus in the past, but the base clearly has Hermarchus's name and also a more rounded beard.

    Hermarchus's eyes also seem more "sad" (droopy) while Epicurus seems to have a more intense gaze with his brow furrowed in the center.

  • The Early Epicureans v1.0 [video]

    • Don
    • May 3, 2023 at 9:36 PM

    The base of this statue reads Ἕρμαρχoς Hermarchos and is the image on the book cover to the left.

  • Welcome Creative Air!

    • Don
    • May 2, 2023 at 6:46 AM
    Quote from Creative Air

    Apologies for the long introduction and again I'm grateful for what all of you do here and the knowledge you impart to continue the Epicurean tradition. Thanks!

    Thank you! for the heartfelt introduction to yourself and your path. That is an excellent and eloquent first post. No apologies necessary at all for the length! :) I enjoyed reading it, and you'll find a number of us here with similar backstories.

    Welcome to our little virtual Garden! Salve! Χαίρε!

  • "Living for Pleasure" Book Study Group - Starting April 30, 2023 - Via Zoom

    • Don
    • May 1, 2023 at 10:43 PM

    Coming from the world of planning library programs, 7 is great! I would be thrilled with that number of attendees at a book discussion. Congratulations!

  • Epicurean Video Production Thread (Especially Blender and Other Open Source Video Software)

    • Don
    • May 1, 2023 at 12:42 AM

    There's also Paint.net that's a stripped down GIMP alternative... Although as I understand GIMP is much more robust.

  • Epicurean Video Production Thread (Especially Blender and Other Open Source Video Software)

    • Don
    • April 30, 2023 at 10:33 PM

    Can't wait to see it! :)

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