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  • Sweetness and Light

    • Joshua
    • May 30, 2019 at 9:35 AM

    6:30 AM.

    I've been up for five hours, wending my way west from Wamsutter to Salt Lake City. Sitting at the dock now, relieved of duty for a time, and watching the morning sun light up the snow-gilt eyries between Flat Top and Farnsworth Peak, I recline a bit deeper into the chair and rest my head. Good old Utah. The bustle of industry is a faint buzz in my ears, but between my thoughts and that mountain there's nothing but morning air and sunshine. I'm aware of it now; that much-vaunted inner world. The palace of monks and poets, ascetics and philosophers.

    Ne plus ultra. No more beyond; beyond that snowy eminence, nothing but blue sky. And inside, interiorly, nothing beyond the vague and scarcely intelligible patter of a mind finally at something near to rest. Is that right? I know, of course, that it isn't; that beyond that blue sky is an infinity of space and time, of worlds wheeling off into eternity. And within, the deep imperceptible currents of subconscious; the stirring impressions of a lifetime of experience, the fight-or-flight instinct of the lizard-brain, the molecular lust and terror for life and immortality. For permanence.

    But for myself, I am content with surfaces. The mountain, for instance, and the idling engine of a freightliner next to me. Red Earth and Blue Sky. Not for me the cant and polemic of theology and philosophy; well, not this morning at any rate. Perspective! That's what I mean; a life lived partially in the academic world of thought and disputation, and partially here--OUT here, out beneath the sun and wind and sailing cloud. A time to partake of the refulgent pleasure of just BEing. The dream of the aesthetic, that's what I yearn for; all the light and power of true philosophy, shot through with the golden sweetness of beauty, form, loveliness and pleasure. Will I ever tire of such vistas?

    Could I ever want more than this?

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    Fools stand on their island of opportunities and look toward another land. There is no other land; there is no other life but this.

    -Henry David Thoreau

  • An Original Hymn to Venus

    • Joshua
    • May 28, 2019 at 2:48 PM

    Thanks awfully, gentleman! I'm beginning to feel that as I spend more time here, I shall certainly write more. Your idea about the recorder, Godfrey, is an idea I've had but have not implemented. Initiative and discipline; the very things I need. And not presumptuous in the least! I'll post more lines as they come to me.

    -josh

  • Welcome JJElbert!

    • Joshua
    • May 28, 2019 at 1:06 PM

    Oh, no! Sorry, I meant The Swerve. His previous book was Will in the World, which was my first of his. A biography of Shakespeare, and nothing to do with Epicurus. The Swerve, for all its many faults, genuinely captivated me. Greenblatt reveals the architecture of a solid materialist foundation beneath Lucretius' frequently erroneous didactics.

    It's true, for example, that Lucretius has the size of the sun all wrong. But what's more important was the brilliant insight that the Earth was merely one world among many in an infinite and centerless universe. These errors (minor quibbles when compared to the groundless cosmology of the Academics) are nevertheless obstacles to the modern mind in approaching the Epicureans. The texts by Greenblatt and DeWitt are foremost among those attempting to clear those obstacles, and while DeWitt's work is more useful and more important, Greenblatt's work is far more accessible to the general reader.

  • Welcome JJElbert!

    • Joshua
    • May 28, 2019 at 11:17 AM

    That was a reference to Stephen Greenblatt, who was a Shakespeare scholar and Norton Anthology editor to me, before he was anything else. We were assigned his earlier book in a college course on Shakespeare.

    Griffin's reading of the De Rerum Natura is the finest reading of any poem I've ever encountered. His rendition of Book I is haunting! Someday I'd like to bite the bullet and start working through a good audio Latin course.

  • Welcome JJElbert!

    • Joshua
    • May 28, 2019 at 10:26 AM

    Thank you, Cassius.

    I am Joshua, a native of Sioux City, Iowa. I'm a long-haul trucker with a BA in the humanities (a double major in History and English Literature, more specifically).

    My early education was concerned mostly with history and political theory, but I was an early reader of the stoics, picking up the Meditations in the same week as my high school graduation. In the years that followed I diverged from history in my pleasure reading. I got into Thoreau rather heavily, reading everything he ever published, and followed that thread through Walden to the East. Having long since abandoned the Catholicism of my boyhood, I began to devour the great scriptures of the world--the Bhagavat Gita, the Upanishads, the Dhammapada and the sutras of Buddhism. The Chinese classics; Analects, Tao Te Ching, Chuang Tzu. In the meantime I had the opportunity to travel; to Greece, to Italy, to the British Isles.

    I began to feel in the end that my own Frank denial of metaphysical idealism and the supernatural were incompatible with this reading. I was an "internet atheist", and without a home East or West. I had, of course, known by then of a materialist school that had flourished in Greece for a time, but its hedonism was repugnant to my sensibilities. I had never read its works.

    When a Harvard Professor I quite admired (from Will in the World) wrote a book on Epicureanism, I was intrigued. I read it. I read it again. I ordered a copy of Lucretius and read that; and when I soon after read the seminal work of Norman Wentworth DeWitt, I was converted. It was strange; I had been to Herculaneum. To Athens. How had I missed all this?

    I consume a lot of audiobooks on the road, but there are four paperbacks by my bed. One is Walden. The other three are Lucretius, DeWitt, and Frances Wright. I, too, am an Epicurean!

  • An Original Hymn to Venus

    • Joshua
    • May 28, 2019 at 1:06 AM

    Strange star! Light, lingering in the West, whoso

    Wouldst gleam this eve o'er silken river and

    The silt hills, and thread the hanging grotto

    Of dew-laden boughs with thy shimmering strand--

    You, who call forth the sun upon the morn,

    Setting fire to heaven, spreading light

    And vital heat to the meridian!

    In wondrous light all things on Earth are born,

    Reared, and given to passionate delight

    In the sweetness of life!

    Cytherean

    Maid, keep you by night to some secret

    Tryst? Awaiting a youth handsome and bold

    To steal over the garden wall and get

    Your hand in his, and kiss you as he holds?

    O Venus, you! Whose ancient light deceives

    Me not, skating along the face of things,

    For I know its weft, and find it delved deep

    In the roots and bones of Earth. Thy reprieve

    Falls sweet--Tarry here, counsel me to sing

    Of old seeds of truths grasped, and pleasures reaped!

    The lamp of Vesper hangs still, a pale urn

    Watering our sleep with light and dewy dreams;

    But the motion of all things is return--

    Sink, and rise again. I trace thy gleam

    Wandering, alighting waves far past my sight,

    And sail thy wake on craft of human thought.

    Stars do not shine that men may calibrate

    Their instruments--float on! But my delight

    Shall be to wash on Grecian shores, where taught

    A sage long past whose simple truths abate

    All Earthly fears.

    That man, a Greek, fallen

    Into mortal memory--to stardust

    And starlight, scattering in the swollen

    Void those atoms that were the scene of lusts

    And terrors long conquered--Searching out the

    Grounds of wise choice and avoidance, he lived

    In this world a match even for gods

    In happiness. His voice echoes to me

    Across the centuries; he has contrived

    A path of wisdom, pleasant still to trod--

    A path incorruptible, laid forever.

  • An Original Hymn to Venus

    • Joshua
    • May 28, 2019 at 12:47 AM

    Good evening, all! My name is Joshua, and I'm rather new around here. I've been an Epicurean for some few years, and I have occasionally been possessed by the notion to write a longform materialist poem in English. In my vision (forever out of reach) this would correct the two major deficiencies in Lucretius; first, the many (albeit generally trifling) mistaken scientific hypotheses in his poem. And second, the temporal disadvantage that separated him from the death pangs of pagan philosophy and the subsequent brutal intolerance of revelation.

    To make a long story short, I began such a poem by degrees but soon found the rhyme and meter burdensome. I may add to it further, or start again in blank verse as time allows, but in any case I'll post it here for your perusal. I am desirous of letting it out for several reasons. For one thing, because I shall be pleased to have feedback! But I offer it as encouragement also; in the hope that some here will be pleased to know that there is a quiet, brooding literature in the world, unknown to you but not altogether unconnected. (To be continued...)

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