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What place does "simple" have in Epicureanism?

  • Kalosyni
  • January 23, 2025 at 12:02 PM
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    • January 23, 2025 at 12:02 PM
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    This morning as I was looking at a much needed cleaning project (needing to straighten up my house), it came to me that perhaps I have too much "stuff".

    After listening to the video presentation by Don (and recall talked about the "simple" diet of most people living in ancient Greece), I was thinking about the definition of the word "simple", and found this online dictionary entry.

    So often self-help websites give out a recommendation to return to a simple lifestyle, as an antedote to the "too much" of modern life (too much noise, too much traffic, too much commotion, too much stuff).

    And yet, it seems this is an individual issue, as it is really about what feels right for each person - Epicurean philosophy says to pay attention to what feels pleasant and pleasurable. So some people may not need "simplicity".

    What stuck out for me from the dictionary entry of the word "simple"...was the definition: ordinary. (Don may have talked about the word ordinary in his presentation, I'll need to re-watch it).

    And I think we can end up cognating words in slightly different ways (as sometimes the word "simple" can be applied to a lack of intelligence, which gives it a negative connotation).

    Another meaning is: easy ...(which does echo that what is necessary is easy to get).

    I wanted to start this thread to discuss:

    What place does "simple" have in Epicureanism?

    So feel free to share your thoughts :)

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    • January 23, 2025 at 1:21 PM
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    I will throw this in:

    "For the one who is accomplished, this is the most important thing produced by total accuracy: to be able to quickly use one's attention with each thing referenced by simple component principles and statements"
    -- Epikouros D.L. 10.36b


    The "the one who is accomplished," that is, a student who has gone through all the material is a fun word: ὁ τετελεσιουργημένος,"te-te-le-si-our-gē-me-nos" (or tetelesiourgēmenē for a woman).

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    • January 23, 2025 at 2:04 PM
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    Good point as to the context of the statement in the letter to Herodotus. The word "simple" has a huge number of connotations and it would be good (as stated in the first post) to flesh out which ones are and are not relevant to Epicurus. I think a lot of people tend to associate the word first and foremost with something rhyming with ascetic, but that's not at all the only option. Dictionary.com

    adjective

    simpler, simplest.

    1. easy to understand, deal with, use, etc.: simple tools.

      a simple matter;

      simple tools.

      Synonyms: lucid, unmistakable, understandable, intelligible, clear

    2. not elaborate or artificial; plain:

      a simple style.

      Synonyms: unembellished, neat, natural

    3. not ornate or luxurious; unadorned:

      a simple gown.

    4. unaffected; unassuming; modest:

      a simple manner.

    5. not complicated:

      a simple design.

    6. not complex or compound; single
    7. occurring or considered alone; mere; bare:

      the simple truth;

      a simple fact.

    8. free of deceit or guile; sincere; unconditional:

      a frank, simple answer.

      Synonyms: ingenuous, guileless, artless

    9. common or ordinary:

      a simple soldier.

    10. not grand or sophisticated; unpretentious:

      a simple way of life.

    11. humble or lowly:

      simple folk.

    12. inconsequential or rudimentary.

      Synonyms: unnecessary, nonessential, trivial, trifling

    13. unlearned; ignorant.

      Synonyms: stupid, untutored

    14. lacking mental acuteness or sense:

      a simple way of thinking.

    15. unsophisticated; naive; credulous.
    16. simpleminded.
    17. Chemistry.
      1. composed of only one substance or element:

        a simple substance.

      2. not mixed.
    18. Botany. not divided into parts: a simple stem.

      a simple leaf;

      a simple stem.

    19. Zoology. not compound:

      a simple ascidian.

    20. Music. uncompounded or without overtones; single:

      simple tone.

    21. Grammar. having only the head without modifying elements included: Compare complete ( def 5 ).

      The simple subject of “The dappled pony gazed over the fence” is “pony.”

    22. (of a verb tense) consisting of a main verb with no auxiliaries, as takes (simple present) or stood (simple past) ( compound ).
    23. Mathematics. linear ( def 8 ).
    24. Optics. (of a lens) having two optical surfaces only.
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    • January 23, 2025 at 2:29 PM
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    He's the section from my recent talk:

    Did the Epicureans follow a simple, plain, frugal lifestyle? Yes, from all descriptions they appeared to live a simple, plain, frugal lifestyle… NOT unlike other average ancient Greeks of the time. Not “spartan,” not “ascetic,” not a life of self-denial! Simple, plain, frugal. Frugal doesn’t mean self-denial.

    Words and phrases along these lines often associated with the school were:

    Simplici victu = They led a simple, plain way of life

    οἱ τε λιτοὶ χυλοὶ = They had simple, inexpensive, frugal flavors and tastes

    Καλιάδα = a simple cottage (Philodemus’ description of his apartments in the lavish estate of Piso)

    εὐτελέστατα καὶ λιτότατα διαιτώμενοι = lead one's life in a manner that was easily paid for and simple, inexpensive, and frugal.

    To me, this doesn’t sound like self-denial or asceticism. It sounds like common sense! It sounds like Epicurus is reminding people to live within their means!

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    • January 23, 2025 at 4:57 PM
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    Having just finished Dewitt’s “Epicurus and His Philosophy”, the following idea is fresh on my mind:

    “Moreover, it was Epicurus who specifically declared that a laborious life was inconsistent with the perfect bliss of the gods…” - dewitt, pg.53

    And:

    “This notion was so well known as to have been familiar to the dull Horatian commentator Porphyry, who lived early in the third century A.D. Horace had quoted freely from Lucretius: ‘I have learned the lesson that the gods live a life free from concern.’ 60 The comment runs: ‘This derives from the doctrine of the Epicureans, who assert that the gods cannot be immortal unless enjoying leisure and immune from all responsibility.’"

    To me, this is the spirit of “the simple life”; avoidance of that which one finds excessively laborious. The simple life is one in which prudent planning ensures your needs are met, your health of mind and body is maintained, and pleasures abound, all with only exactly as much effort as is required and no more.

    To me, it’s the opposite of the “rat race” of modern society. The gluttonous levels of consumerism, the social posturing with large houses, exepensive vehicles, and wildly expensive lifestyles that require constant upkeep and 80 hour work weeks.

    “Simplicity” is a call to figuring out what truly pleases you, avoiding the all too common “hamster wheel” of life, and realizing that most of the greatest pleasures of being a human on earth don’t require much effort to obtain.

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    • January 29, 2025 at 6:41 PM
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    Quote from Al-Hakiim von Grof

    To me, this is the spirit of “the simple life”; avoidance of that which one finds excessively laborious. The simple life is one in which prudent planning ensures your needs are met, your health of mind and body is maintained, and pleasures abound, all with only exactly as much effort as is required and no more.

    Al-Hakiim von Grof RE: "a laborious life was inconsistent with the perfect bliss of the gods"

    Thanks for that clarification to avoid "excessively laborious" actions. Certainly, we should labor to meet the simple daily needs for ourselves and our family. We can find pleasure in laborious tasks that build something beautiful that gives ongoing pleasure to us or to friends and families, or local community. I fully agree with your definition of "the simple life". For me that definition of "the simple life", is one where these "simple" actions or avoidance of actions leads to a balanced/stable & fulfilling life (eustatheia & eudaimonia).

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