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    As to "perennial philosophy" - a term new to me - Yikes!!!

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    • February 18, 2023 at 9:12 AM
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    Just like there is the idea within religion of Perennial philosophy, so to we need to watch out for some like this when comparing Epicureanism to other philosophies (such as the philosophy of Buddhism). I once read a very good explaination about why the belief in "perennial philosophy" is incorrect -- since the end goal of each religion is actually slightly different.

    Like Cassius, this is a new term to me and it's like a penny dropped that helped me make some connections about the motives behind some of the 'wisdom' related organization/podcasts out there that seem to give off some vaguely religious vibes. For example,this guy.

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    • February 18, 2023 at 9:35 AM
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    As to "perennial philosophy" - a term new to me - Yikes!!!

    It's a new term to me too, but I used to be an advocate for the "different paths up the same mountain" thing. There are obviously *experiences* that may be common by virtue of being humans and animals and part of the natural world. But the *interpretation* of those experiences - those are probably different mountains altogether.

    Oh, and they are NOT supernatural experiences! They may feel that way, but they're NOT evidence of mystical, supernatural states or dimensions. Just had to add that in.

    Oddly enough, it was the Dalai Lama himself that turned me to exploring Western philosophy:

    Quote from Dalai Lama

    I always tell my Western friends that it is best to keep your own tradition. Changing religion is not easy and sometimes causes confusion. You must value your tradition and honor your own religion.

    I've seen that "your own religion" part expanded to mean Western traditions and philosophy. So, even he isn't a proponent of the perennial philosophy it seems.

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    • February 18, 2023 at 11:34 AM
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    Given the references at wikipedia include Aldous Huxley and other pretty recognizable names which makes it sound like this is a term in more common use than those of us here (me anyway!) seem to realize, sounds like Kalosyni wins the educational post prize for the day!

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    • February 18, 2023 at 6:45 PM
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    Forgive this over-long, rambling post. This is all a general synopsis of past studies (of which much is forgotten) –

    +++++++++++++

    Years ago I spent a good deal of time studying (in my own schlocky way) various renditions and interpretations of the perennial philosophy (taken broadly). There really are versions of it within most religions (Advaita Vedanta in Hinduism; Kabbalistic theology, as partially reflected in the Talmuds and Midrash, as well as the Zohar, in Judaism; the Laoist mainstream of Taoism, etc.) – albeit with different expressions (ice cream with different flavors: who wants to argue over whether chocolate or vanilla is “the right one”™?). Those versions are not necessarily considered “orthodox” to religious or philosophical sectarians.

    A general perennialist would argue that emphasizing the differences is ultimately delusional (sectarianism is illusion). The “orthodox” sectarians would call the perennialists heretics.

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    The foundation (again broadly) is that there is some universal “ground of being” or “field of being” (supernatural or natural) from which every individual manifestation arises, of which they are, and to which they all return – generally relinquishing whatever existential individualism one might have enjoyed during the journey.*

    I don’t know if Advaita Vedanta is the oldest expression, but the “mahavakyas” of the Upanishads are probably generally representative (where “Brahman” is that underlying universal ground/field):

    Sarvam khalvidam brahma – All this is Brahman.

    Ayam atma brahma – This very self (that I am) is Brahman.

    Tat tvam asi – That (Brahman) thou art.

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    With that, I’ll truncate this brief 8o recollection with a possible Epicurean spin (that hopefully does not stray into any Platonic idealism or Stoicism): If the whole field of our existence is defined by atoms and void, then we are formed of those atoms, and when we die, they are simply dispersed into that field. And we – as individual existences – are simply gone: nothing to fear.

    And if the “field” is just atoms and void (or whatever analogues might be dominant in current physics), does the notion of a universal field (or ground) become just a metaphor** that might well be useful – as long as it is not reified into some “thing-in-itself” substance? [I think that would be my position.]

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    * I once wrote a brief poem on this:

    How tragic for the single flame to fear

    annihilation in the larger fire

    or water-drop to be afraid to fall

    again into the vastness of the sea.

    ** Years ago I read a book that I no longer have, called The Metaphors We Live By. The thesis was that we often – likely unreflectively – allow our behavior to be guided by metaphors at least as much as reasoned analysis. Metaphors such as: tempus fugit; carpe diem; a stitch in time, etc.

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

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