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    • November 13, 2022 at 9:00 PM
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    Welcome ccarruth42

    Note: In order to minimize spam registrations, all new registrants must respond in this thread to this welcome message within 72 hours of its posting, or their account is subject to deletion. All that is required is a "Hello!" but of course we hope you will introduce yourself further and join one or more of our conversations.

    This is the place for students of Epicurus to coordinate their studies and work together to promote the philosophy of Epicurus. Please remember that all posting here is subject to our Community Standards / Rules of the Forum our Not Neo-Epicurean, But Epicurean and our Posting Policy statements and associated posts.

    Please understand that the leaders of this forum are well aware that many fans of Epicurus may have sincerely-held views of what Epicurus taught that are incompatible with the purposes and standards of this forum. This forum is dedicated exclusively to the study and support of people who are committed to classical Epicurean views. As a result, this forum is not for people who seek to mix and match some Epicurean views with positions that are inherently inconsistent with the core teachings of Epicurus.

    All of us who are here have arrived at our respect for Epicurus after long journeys through other philosophies, and we do not demand of others what we were not able to do ourselves. Epicurean philosophy is very different from other viewpoints, and it takes time to understand how deep those differences really are. That's why we have membership levels here at the forum which allow for new participants to discuss and develop their own learning, but it's also why we have standards that will lead in some cases to arguments being limited, and even participants being removed, when the purposes of the community require it. Epicurean philosophy is not inherently democratic, or committed to unlimited free speech, or devoted to any other form of organization other than the pursuit by our community of happy living through the principles of Epicurean philosophy.

    One way you can be most assured of your time here being productive is to tell us a little about yourself and personal your background in reading Epicurean texts. It would also be helpful if you could tell us how you found this forum, and any particular areas of interest that you have which would help us make sure that your questions and thoughts are addressed.

    In that regard we have found over the years that there are a number of key texts and references which most all serious students of Epicurus will want to read and evaluate for themselves. Those include the following.

    1. "Epicurus and His Philosophy" by Norman DeWitt
    2. The Biography of Epicurus by Diogenes Laertius. This includes the surviving letters of Epicurus, including those to Herodotus, Pythocles, and Menoeceus.
    3. "On The Nature of Things" - by Lucretius (a poetic abridgement of Epicurus' "On Nature"
    4. "Epicurus on Pleasure" - By Boris Nikolsky
    5. The chapters on Epicurus in Gosling and Taylor's "The Greeks On Pleasure."
    6. Cicero's "On Ends" - Torquatus Section
    7. Cicero's "On The Nature of the Gods" - Velleius Section
    8. The Inscription of Diogenes of Oinoanda - Martin Ferguson Smith translation
    9. A Few Days In Athens" - Frances Wright
    10. Lucian Core Texts on Epicurus: (1) Alexander the Oracle-Monger, (2) Hermotimus
    11. Philodemus "On Methods of Inference" (De Lacy version, including his appendix on relationship of Epicurean canon to Aristotle and other Greeks)
    12. "The Greeks on Pleasure" -Gosling & Taylor Sections on Epicurus, especially the section on katastematic and kinetic pleasure which explains why ultimately this distinction was not of great significance to Epicurus.

    It is by no means essential or required that you have read these texts before participating in the forum, but your understanding of Epicurus will be much enhanced the more of these you have read.

    And time has also indicated to us that if you can find the time to read one book which will best explain classical Epicurean philosophy, as opposed to most modern "eclectic" interpretations of Epicurus, that book is Norman DeWitt's Epicurus And His Philosophy.

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    Hi Cassius,

    Thank you for the message. I found this group searching for epicurean resources and I saw the weekly zoom meeting that I am interested in joining. I am very new to philosophy in general, but I just finished reading Henri Amiel's Journal Intime and he mentions Epicurus as an opposite of his teachings so it got me interested. So far I have found the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy and have read Epicurus's letters saved in Diogenes Laertius, Lives of Eminent Philosophers.

    I just want to learn about Epicurus and how he strives towards pleasure. I'm mostly interested in his ethics.

    Thank you for the texts to read. I will dive into them.

    Clayton

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    Good to have you! If you tell us more about your background and interests maybe we can fine-tune recommendations. You will also see we are discussing the new book by Emily Austin and either that Or the Dewitt book would be good places to start depending on your interests

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    Welcome ccarruth42!

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    Welcome!

    “If the joys found in nature are crimes, then man’s pleasure and happiness is to be criminal.”

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    Thanks Everyone. I'm reading the first book suggestion of Epicurus and His Philosophy - free preview that I could find quickly. The link at https://b-ok.cc/book/830141/824b58 has been taken down and confiscated by the Feds. Link is in the post here below if anyone wants to edit it as it says the pdf may be available.

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    DeWitt (Norman) - "Epicurus And His Philosophy"

    ADMIN EDIT: Norman DeWitt's "Epicurus and His Philosophy" is available in PDF and EPUB format at various places around the internet, and is also available in many local libraries. Also check here: https://archive.org/search.php?que…philosophy&sin=


    If you wanted to get an unbiased view of Obama would you ask a Republican? If you wanted an unbiased view of Trump would you ask a Democrat? If you are studying Epicurus, you don't want to make a similar mistake. Epicurus has been reviled for…
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    • November 15, 2022 at 9:30 PM
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    Thanks that link will be removed!

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    • November 15, 2022 at 9:39 PM
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    It looks like there are several copies available through Internet Archive

    Internet Archive Search: Epicurus and his philosophy

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    • November 15, 2022 at 10:28 PM
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    will substitute Don's Link - thanks!

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    • November 15, 2022 at 10:46 PM
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    will substitute Don's. Link - twhanks

    I would suggest picking the copy you like best. You can note that it can be borrowed from the archive with a FREE account. For ex.

    Epicurus and his philosophy : DeWitt, Norman Wentworth, 1876- : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
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