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    • April 13, 2022 at 8:00 AM
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    I would dearly love to find some surviving Catius and - whose the other one - Rufinius?

    I heard a sobering statistic on a podcast the other day. It is estimated that we only have 1-3% of all the writings that survived from the ancient world. We will never have access to 97-99% of it all. ;(

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    • April 13, 2022 at 7:40 PM
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    A Celtic Epicurean??

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    • April 13, 2022 at 7:44 PM
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    It would seem so! The "truth" about the nature of the universe isn't the property of any particular group ;)

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    • April 13, 2022 at 7:49 PM
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    The Celts living in Italy would’ve been far more reasonable and “civilized” since they would have had significant contact with the Etruscans and Latins for centuries. Probably far more Italian in mannerisms than their Gallic or British counterparts.

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    • April 13, 2022 at 7:55 PM
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    In a similar way the Celtic people of Spain were significantly influenced by Iberian and Carthaginian societies and they had their own unique Celt-Iberian culture that looked very different from Gaul, but very much Celtic.

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    • April 13, 2022 at 8:47 PM
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    Probably far more Italian in mannerisms than their Gallic or British counterparts.

    Let's not sell the Gauls short. Take a look at the Gallo-Roman city of Nimes and its preserved colosseum and temple.

    Nîmes - Wikipedia
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    The Gauls weren't all Asterix and Obelix (although I have a soft spot for them as well as the historical Vercingetorix himself)

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    • April 13, 2022 at 10:10 PM
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    Plus the Celts were unrivaled (in my opinion) in their artwork* and metallurgy... And they invented the iron-rimmed wheel used for chariots! They were also courageous and respected for their prowess in battle, even in defeat, as portrayed in at least two ancient statues of defeated Gauls. The Celtic and German tribes were formidable enemies, the former eventually embraced within the Empire, that latter kicking the Romans butts (not the least in Teutoburg Forest) and setting a clear boundary to Roman ambition.

    But my pride in my ancestral heritage may be showing just a bit with this post. ;)

    *PS: Okay, I'll give the Greeks their statuary and pottery, but Celtic artwork remains stunning. I'm including later Celtic artwork in the Christian era but items like the Books of Kells and Lindisfarne are unrivaled (again, my opinion)

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    • April 16, 2022 at 6:44 AM
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    Looking at those photos from Autun has me still thinking about this list and my continued frustration with what I see as England's attachment to Stoicism rather than Epicurus. I wonder if we have any evidence of ancient Epicureanism closer to England than Autun?

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    • April 16, 2022 at 7:56 AM
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    Collections Online | British Museum

    So, there's the link to the British Museum ;)

    Not British but putting this article on the Villa dei Papyri here for future reference. Some great photos.

    Hedonism in Herculaneum | Apollo Magazine
    The Villa dei Papiri gives us a glimpse into the world of a Roman statesman and his interest in Epicurean philosophy, writes Emma Park
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    • April 16, 2022 at 1:00 PM
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    Yes lots of good information in that article - thank you!

    One thing I did not realize is that the article says that there were two Pisos - father and son. The article includes a bust apparently of the son, so I wonder if we shouldn't add to our collection of busts of known Epicureans (we do have one somewhere, don't we? ;) ) busts of the two Pisos (if both exist).

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