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    • January 15, 2022 at 4:52 PM
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    I just saw Kalosyni 's "Bible" reference to be metaphorical, as in a collection of authoritative texts providing what Epicurus and the early Epicureans wrote up to 529 CE. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll ever get such a reference work. The closest we currently have is Book X of Diogenes Laertius although I've been reading Philodemus's On Property Management and On Death today and may have some posts at some point. The scrolls from Herculaneum are always tantalizingly out of reach. I also recently requested Les Epicuriens through interlibrary loan, but, as I barely read French at all, we'll see how helpful it is.

    Also Kalosyni , I agree about the UU church (although just as history for anyone interested, the Universalist comes from the Christian concept of universal salvation for everyone and not a benevolent universe) not necessarily being the *best *spot to form a Garden. :) . Here are some of the reasons I thought they *might* be amenable:

    https://www.uucantonny.org/good-without-god/ (mentions Epicurus)

    The Swerve: How the World Became Modern | Unitarian Universalist Church of Canton

    https://austinuu.org/wp2013/spiritual-ambivalence/ "Epicurus modified the whole dualistic view of humans and took the stance that flesh AND soul were physical and both ended with death – and both body and soul dissolved back into nothingness upon death. Life was for living; it wasn’t just a preamble to eternity."

    https://www.uuworld.org/articles/ameri…er-church-state (mentions Epicurus)

    "Epicurean group's circle dinners" https://www.phoenixuu.org/wp-content/upl…018/08/1996.pdf

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    No doubt she's talking figuratively, as that's a common figure of speech in the USA.

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    Ah, thanks for clarifying! That‘s why English is really beautiful, but sometimes very confusing :)

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    This issue of "idioms" and "expressions" is a big one and obviously is something that we face in our translations of the ancient texts too. It always pays to be cautious in thinking we read something that would not make sense from what we know about the larger context of a person. That is probably a major theme of our work in interpreting Epicurus.

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