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Epicurean Symbolism in Herculaneum Art - Something To Track Down

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    • May 16, 2023 at 12:58 PM
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    As for #12, the shape of the head seems wrong and he's way too stern to accord with the images of Epicurus that I'm used to seeing.

    I agree that this is more stern than most, but I see this as consistent with his dominant presentation in the remaining busts. I would probably call it more "piercing" or "serious" than stern, but I think that's likely the way he was perceived -- as very SERIOUSLY pursing his philosophy.

    For example this one, which is not one of the small ones from herculaneum but which makes him also look serious:

    And look at the focused / concerned eyebrows here:


    As for the deviant version - let me get this out of the way - I see the deviant version as THIS one which many commentators today like to use because the damage to the eyes and angle of head can be lighted in a way that makes him look like a stupified pot-head ;) This is the one I see as - in its present form - out of character. If it were an attempt to make him smiling, I would say it's acceptable, but even before the eyebrow was damaged it appears to me to be more of a "blank" expression, which again would not be a good look for someone as acute as Epicurus.

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    • May 16, 2023 at 1:13 PM
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    Those wide eyes on the one we are discussing reminds of me this one, which the clip says is Theophrastus --


    However when you click over to the page that apparently comes from, the head/hair shape is very different:

    Theophrastus | Art UK
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    • May 16, 2023 at 2:35 PM
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    Comparing #12 to #21, I would describe (poorly, I admit) #12 as having almost "pugilistic" features compared to Epicurus' typical portrayal. That's a bad word choice, but the one that comes immediately to mind. Look at #12's broad, short nose, compared with Epicurus' relatively long, thin nose. #12's head shape seems thicker, Epicurus' longer.

    Put another way, I picture (rightly or wrongly) Epicurus as an ectomorph body type based on his typical portrayal, whereas I picture #12 as more of an endomorph type.

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    • May 16, 2023 at 5:11 PM
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    Yes I see the pugilist demeanor as well. I don't see it matching the other Hermarchus busts, but I could see the possibility that it is neither one of them.

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    My go to characteristics for Epicurus are the forked beard with the definite furrow in the middle and the vertical furrow between his eyebrows. Lots of vertical furrows come to think about it ^^

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