1. Home
    1. Study Guide
    2. Community Standards
    3. Site Map
    4. Quizzes
    5. Articles On Physics
    6. Articles On Canonics
    7. Articles On Ethics
    8. All Articles
    9. Elli's Blog Posts
    10. Kalosyni's Blog
    11. All Blog Posts
  2. Lexicon
    1. Lexicon Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Files
    4. Search Assistance
    5. Foundations
    6. Navigation Outlines
    7. Reading List
    8. Key Pages
    9. Last Changes
  3. Forum
    1. Full Forum List
    2. Welcome Threads
    3. Ancient Texts Forum
    4. Physics
    5. Canonics
    6. Ethics
    7. Forum Shortcuts
    8. Forum Navigation Map
    9. Featured
    10. Most Discussed
  4. Latest
    1. New Activity
    2. Latest Threads
    3. Dashboard
    4. Search By Tag
    5. Complete Tag List
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Torquatus On Ethics
    3. Velleius On Divinity
    4. Diogenes Laertius
    5. Principal Doctrines
    6. Vatican Collection
    7. Lucretius
    8. Herodotus
    9. Pythocles
    10. Menoeceus
    11. Fragments - Usener Collection
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Latest Images
    2. Featured images
    3. Latest Comments
  8. More
    1. Featured Content
    2. Logbook
    3. EF ToDo List
  • Login
  • Register
  • Search
This Thread
  • Everywhere
  • This Thread
  • This Forum
  • Forum
  • Articles
  • Blog Articles
  • Files
  • Gallery
  • Pages
  • Wiki
  • FAQ
  • More Options
  1. EpicureanFriends - Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  2. Forum
  3. Epicurean Art And Symbolism
  4. Epicurean Art From Classical Antiquity

Rings, Tokens, and Pendants Featuring Epicurus or Epicureans

  • Cassius
  • July 21, 2019 at 8:46 AM
  • Go to last post
  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • July 21, 2019 at 8:46 AM
    • #1

    Rings exist featuring Epicurus and Lucretius (one known to exist).

  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 1:37 AM
    • #2

    I thought we had some photos in this thread. Here are some of Epicurus (stamp is for comparison)

    Images

    • AN1613316845_l.jpg
      • 30.15 kB
      • 750 × 736
  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 1:38 AM
    • #3

    Here is the best photo I have of the probable Lucretius Ring (probably the one described by Munro):

  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 1:39 AM
    • #4

    The content cannot be displayed because you do not have authorisation to view this content.

  • Godfrey
    Epicurist
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    12,662
    Posts
    1,780
    Quizzes
    3
    Quiz rate
    85.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 2:00 AM
    • #5

    It's notable that all of the Epicurus images are in ellipses, not circles. Apparently Joshua isn't the first to face the problem of putting a long, bearded head into a circle.

  • Joshua
    5 - Administrator
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    15,627
    Posts
    2,013
    Quizzes
    3
    Quiz rate
    95.8 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 6:29 AM
    • #6

    Large_Bligh's%20Signet%20ring_CROPHEAD%20res.jpg

    That is a point of interest, Godfrey. The 18th or early 19th century William Bligh ring is more squat and nearly circular than the rings above from antiquity, and it's also the worst semblance. In part because the beard has been cropped so close.

  • Joshua
    5 - Administrator
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    15,627
    Posts
    2,013
    Quizzes
    3
    Quiz rate
    95.8 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 6:34 AM
    • #7

    And here's something before I forget; in my search for extant rings I didn't turn up anything new on Epicurus, but there is supposed to be a ring featuring a portrait of Horace carved in Topaz in the collections of the British Museum. So it would be great if we could track down a photograph of that.

  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 6:58 AM
    • #8

    Wow yes that is interesting about Horace. I have never heard of that. I wonder how it is they are confident it is Horace vs. someone else? We definitely ought to try to trace that down.

    So far no luck with this search:

    https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/sea…ce&keyword=ring

  • Joshua
    5 - Administrator
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    15,627
    Posts
    2,013
    Quizzes
    3
    Quiz rate
    95.8 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 7:05 AM
    • #9

    I'll try to find the reference, Cassius; it was in a GoogleBooks scan of an old doorstopper reference tome called--I don't know--"Collections of the British Museum: Volume 47" or whatever. The British Museum is like an iceberg. For every one piece on display for public viewing, 99 are gathering dust in a drawer somewhere.

  • Joshua
    5 - Administrator
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    15,627
    Posts
    2,013
    Quizzes
    3
    Quiz rate
    95.8 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 7:16 AM
    • #10

    OK, I found the reference;

    "A Popular Handbook to the Greek and Roman Antiquities in the British Museum"

    edited by Sir Edward Tyas Cook

    N0Ygbzs.png

  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 8:26 AM
    • #11

    No picture yet but:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=M0RAA…0Horace&f=false


    I wonder if this was done per the ring:

    https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/P_1914-0228-2525

  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    42,956
    Posts
    6,053
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 9:58 AM
    • #12

    I couldn't see if anyone had mentioned this before, so apologies if I'm repeating known info: I saw the Greek on several Epicurus rings and realized that was not Epicurus' name but ΝΕΑΡΚΟΥ (Nearkou, "Of Nearkos"). Who was Nearkos? Turns out he was probably the engraver:

    Quote

    NEARKOS (Νέαρκος). - Alleged gem engraver. The name, which appears on three gems (ΝΕΑΡΚΟΥ on a carnelian with a manly head; ΝΕΑΡΚΟΣ on an amethyst with a manly bearded head; ΝΕΑΡΚΟΥ on a carnelian, of doubtful authenticity, with a manly head) cannot, according to Brunn, be attributed to 'engraver.

    Source (used Google Translate for English)

  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 11:32 AM
    • #13

    I remember reading that on one of the pages too somewhere - that NEAPKOY was the engraver, so that's what I am thinking too. Although I sometimes do have doubts whether the images that some say are Epicurus are really him. Some of the images can seem so generic that it's hard (for me) to be sure.

  • Joshua
    5 - Administrator
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    15,627
    Posts
    2,013
    Quizzes
    3
    Quiz rate
    95.8 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 11:34 AM
    • #14

    Handbook of Archaeology: Egyptian-Greek-Etruscan-Roman:

    https://books.google.com/books?id=TLRGA…ngraver&f=false

    Nearkos is listed here amongst other ancient artists. Also attributed to him are images of Sulla and Demetrius, which I suppose is how they date the gems?

  • Charles
    3 - Friend
    Points
    2,581
    Posts
    351
    Quizzes
    4
    Quiz rate
    88.9 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 8:26 PM
    • #15

    I found a series of prints used for gem engravings in the British Museum, it dates back to 1766 and features 180 different prints with reference to Greek & Roman Figures as well as some mythological/animal prints, Horace is among them.

    https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/obj…9-0709-891-1071

    “If the joys found in nature are crimes, then man’s pleasure and happiness is to be criminal.”

  • Charles
    3 - Friend
    Points
    2,581
    Posts
    351
    Quizzes
    4
    Quiz rate
    88.9 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 8:34 PM
    • #16

    Interestingly enough, I went through the rest of the collection and found a feature of Epicurus as well as one on Metrodorus, though Hermarchus & Leontion were nowhere to be found.




    I don't have any reason to believe that the print of Metrodorus is none other than Metrodorus the Younger. There have been other Metrodorus' throughout history but none have been as significant or recorded as much as the disciple and best friend of Epicurus, no doubt because of Laertius and Cicero.

    “If the joys found in nature are crimes, then man’s pleasure and happiness is to be criminal.”

  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 8:57 PM
    • #17

    i wonder if there was any basis for any of those other than artist imagination. The one of Horace looks like a boy - is it likely that any image of him survived the ancient world other than as am adult?

    The one of Epicurus is the clearly erroneus "bald" figure that hardly seems like it could be anything other than imagination.

    Is the Metrodorus any better?

    Apparently artists from this period seemed to think it a cool thing to do to make artwork based on nothing whatsoever and label them as if they were accurate?

    That image of Lucian on the Wikipedia page seems to be another example.

    Seems to me to be a weird thing to think that such use of imagination was a good idea.

    On the same theory Joshua could decide to sketch one of his girlfriends and label it "Leontion"

    Hardly seems like a good idea, but maybe I just lack imagination :)

  • Joshua
    5 - Administrator
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    15,627
    Posts
    2,013
    Quizzes
    3
    Quiz rate
    95.8 %
    • June 2, 2020 at 9:28 PM
    • #18

    I agree with Cassius that these portraits leave a lot to be desired, but that's a good find regardless. Thank you Charles!

    The portrait of Horace is especially interesting. He is depicted not only as a boy, but as a free-born minor wearing the age-appropriate Toga Praetexta. Horace was free-born, which is a point worthy of note since his father endured some years of slavery.

    He is also depicted with a bay leaf (or laurel, from bay laurel), which signifies poetry. In fact, Horace did not write poetry in his youth; he turned to it in later years after choosing the wrong side in the Roman Civil War and losing his father's estate in Venusia as part of Augustus' land seizures. Since Rome did boast a number of boy-poets--among them Lucan, died age 25, and Catullus, died age 30--it might seem an unusual choice for a portrait of Horace who lived to be nearly 60. Personally, my favorite portrait of Horace depicts him bald and squat, in middle age, with a glass of wine and a winning grin.

    200px-Quintus_Horatius_Flaccus.jpg

  • Cassius
    5 - Administrator
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • Lucretius Today Podcast Co-Host
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    Points
    115,820
    Posts
    15,957
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • June 3, 2020 at 5:30 AM
    • #19

    Yes I have seen and like that one too. Is that from the wikipedia page? I agree that one is really creative and well done, I wish we had information on its background.

  • Bryan
    4 - Veteran Friend
    • I Too Am An Epicurean
    • Advocate
    • 2025 Contributor
    • Active Member 5 Years or more
    • Best New Project Award (2024)
    Points
    5,801
    Posts
    756
    Quizzes
    4
    Quiz rate
    97.6 %
    • October 3, 2024 at 1:00 PM
    • #20

    These are the "necklace" molds I referenced last night (with a drachma of Demetrius Poliorcetes for scale). It's an amateur effort -- the most recent one is almost bubble free! But if anybody wants some, just let me know and I'll be happy to gift a few of them (along with a Demetrius drachma).

    Images

    • IMG_4445.jpg
      • 692.54 kB
      • 1,600 × 1,200
    • IMG_4458.jpg
      • 672.07 kB
      • 1,600 × 1,200

    Edited once, last by Bryan (October 3, 2024 at 2:10 PM).

  • Kalosyni October 3, 2024 at 2:38 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Rings Featuring Epicurus or Epicureans” to “Rings, Tokens, and Pendants Featuring Epicurus or Epicureans”.

Resources

  1. Getting Started At EpicureanFriends
  2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
  3. The Major Doctrines of Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  4. Introductory Videos
  5. Lexicon
  6. Lucretius Today Podcast
    1. Podcast Episode Guide
  7. Key Epicurean Texts
    1. Chart Of Key Quotes
    2. Outline Of Key Quotes
    3. Side-By-Side Diogenes Laertius X (Bio And All Key Writings of Epicurus)
    4. Side-By-Side Lucretius - On The Nature Of Things
    5. Side-By-Side Torquatus On Ethics
    6. Side-By-Side Velleius on Divinity
    7. Lucretius Topical Outline
    8. Usener Fragment Collection
  8. Frequently Asked Questions
    1. FAQ Discussions
  9. Full List of Forums
    1. Physics Discussions
    2. Canonics Discussions
    3. Ethics Discussions
    4. All Recent Forum Activities
  10. Image Gallery
  11. Featured Articles
  12. Featured Blog Posts
  13. Quiz Section
  14. Special Resource Pages
  15. File Database
  16. Site Map
    1. Home

Frequently Used Forums

  • Frequently Asked / Introductory Questions
  • News And Announcements
  • Lucretius Today Podcast
  • Physics (The Nature of the Universe)
  • Canonics (The Tests Of Truth)
  • Ethics (How To Live)
  • Against Determinism
  • Against Skepticism
  • The "Meaning of Life" Question
  • Uncategorized Discussion
  • Comparisons With Other Philosophies
  • Historical Figures
  • Ancient Writers and Texts
  • Decline of The Ancient Epicurean Age
  • Unsolved Questions of Epicurean History
  • Welcome New Participants
  • Events - Activism - Outreach
  • Full Forum List

Latest Posts

  1. Episode 359 - EATAQ41 - Cicero Begins His Defense of Academic Skepticism

    Joshua
    November 9, 2026 at 6:42 PM
  2. Under What Circumstances, If Any, Would An Epicurean Choose A Course That Produced (For Example) 98% Pleasure And 2% Pain Over A Course That Was 100% Pleasure and 0% Pain?

    Cassius
    November 9, 2026 at 1:52 PM
  3. Welcome DevinH!

    Godfrey
    November 8, 2026 at 6:52 PM
  4. Using AI to create flow charts of Lucretius' De Rerum Natura

    Cassius
    November 7, 2026 at 3:41 PM
  5. Does Self-Determination Theory Fit in With Epicurean Philosophy?

    Cassius
    November 7, 2026 at 3:34 PM
  6. Episode 358 - EATAQ40 - The Hypocrisy And Darkness of Academic Skepticism

    Cassius
    November 6, 2026 at 4:00 PM
  7. Music and Auditory Pleasure and Neuroscience - transcript of interview

    Kalosyni
    November 4, 2026 at 1:31 PM
  8. Welcome Thomas Karion!

    Kalosyni
    November 3, 2026 at 10:10 AM
  9. Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?

    Cassius
    November 3, 2026 at 9:36 AM
  10. Happy Halloween 2026 - Death is Nothing to Us!

    Joshua
    November 1, 2026 at 11:42 AM

Frequently Used Tags

In addition to posting in the appropriate forums, participants are encouraged to reference the following tags in their posts:

  • #Physics
    • #Atomism
    • #Gods
    • #Images
    • #Infinity
    • #Eternity
    • #Life
    • #Death
  • #Canonics
    • #Knowledge
    • #Scepticism
  • #Ethics

    • #Pleasure
    • #Pain
    • #Engagement
    • #EpicureanLiving
    • #Happiness
    • #Virtue
      • #Wisdom
      • #Temperance
      • #Courage
      • #Justice
      • #Honesty
      • #Faith (Confidence)
      • #Suavity
      • #Consideration
      • #Hope
      • #Gratitude
      • #Friendship



Click Here To Search All Tags

To Suggest Additions To This List Click Here

EpicureanFriends - Classical Epicurean Philosophy

  1. Home
    1. About Us
    2. Classical Epicurean Philosophy
    3. Rules, Terms & Policies
  2. Lexicon
    1. Getting Started
  3. Frequently Asked Questions
    1. Site Map
  4. Forum
    1. Latest Threads
    2. Featured Threads
    3. Unread Posts
  5. Texts
    1. Core Texts
    2. Biography of Epicurus
    3. Lucretius
  6. Articles
    1. Latest Articles
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured Images
  8. Calendar
    1. This Month At EpicureanFriends
Powered by WoltLab Suite™ 6.2.9
Style: Inspire by cls-design
Stylename
Inspire
Manufacturer
cls-design
Licence
Commercial styles
Help
Supportforum
Visit cls-design