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Eudoxus of Cnidus was a large camel

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    • February 3, 2024 at 11:09 PM
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    Maybe even the largest. Philodemus' On the Stable Conduct of the Gods - Book I (P.Herc. 26) mentions Eudoxus of Cnidus who he says wrote On Solar Eclipses (Περὶ Ἀφανισμῶν Ἡλιακῶν).

    Then he says "...since, of his contradictory arguments, Diogenes said that Eudoxus (Εὔδοξον) was the largest (μέγιστον) camel (κάμηλον)." (col. 21) "ἐπειδὴ τῶν ἀντιλογικῶν δ' Εὔδοξο[ν ὁ Διο]γένης κάμηλ[ο]ν μέγι[στο]ν ἔλεγεν"

    The only hint I have is that he quotes Eudoxus, who said "it is impossible to decide, if one hesitates (διστάσης) between two similar causes, whether this one or that is more responsible."

    Do we have any ideas what this means? I suppose it could be a reference to being stubborn? This is another text I do not have in English (but there must be one).

    Edited 5 times, last by Bryan (February 4, 2024 at 10:32 PM).

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    • February 4, 2024 at 3:30 PM
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    The only hint I have is that he quotes Eudoxus, who said "it is impossible to decide, if one hesitates (διστάσης) between two similar causes, whether this one or that is more responsible."

    Using the metaphor of a two-humped bactrian camel?

    "We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content." (Vatican Saying 48)

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    • February 4, 2024 at 5:35 PM
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    Using the metaphor of a two-humped bactrian camel?

    I had not even thought of that! Given we are talking about "two similar causes" this could be a possibility.


    This text has some great content, and is simpler than On the Senses:

    "People see gods as responsible for all evils, creators of ongoing and future misfortunes throughout endless time, including what comes after death. If these elements weren't connected, people wouldn't fear the gods more than tyrants. They dread death as if, after life, they will be tortured in eternal retribution by the gods, leading to a fear of the gods as the doers of evil in the underworld, and death as leading to fiery torment. Just as people feared Phalaris, thinking he would roast them in the bull, and [they also feared] the bull itself, as the place of roasting -- in the same way, hearing any related word caused equal fear for both, and not less for either, even towards the source of the sound. Similarly, with the gods and death, we don't consider both a double evil, neither the direct nor the indirect threat. If we avoid extreme misery and mental harm by facing pain with a rational mind, we can overcome the worst; for with understanding, we shouldn't see death as a double or untamed evil. (P.Herc. 26, col. 19)"

    Edited 2 times, last by Bryan (February 6, 2024 at 3:04 PM).

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