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Cassius
PostSeptember 14, 2025 at 6:09 AM […]
The question of the proper order of priority is why according to Diogenes Laertius Epicurus held that:
"Logic they reject as misleading. For they say it is sufficient for physicists to be guided by what things say of themselves. Thus in The Canon… -
Raphael Raul
PostSeptember 13, 2025 at 10:16 PM Good evening, Cassius. I hope you had a good dinner.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply to my post.
I am clarifying this statement you wrote in your post.
"But the real heart of the question is the role of Pleasure vs reason as the guide. I gather you're… -
Cassius
PostSeptember 13, 2025 at 9:13 PM Thank you for that post Raphael! You're covering several things and I expect there will be lots of reactions to different parts.
I am inclined to want to focus on what I think is a position we share, which is that Epicurean philosophy does not in fact… -
Cassius
September 13, 2025 at 8:24 PM Replied to the thread Episode 299 - TD27 - Not Yet Recorded.Post -
Raphael Raul
PostSeptember 13, 2025 at 6:34 PM Again, it was a fascinating and even passionate discussion last Sunday on the topic of "Comparing The Pleasure of A Great Physicist Making A Discovery To the Pleasure of a Lion Eating an Antelope or Lamb." Some people have stated in the threads and the… -
Cassius
September 13, 2025 at 3:19 PM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".Post -
Cassius
September 13, 2025 at 3:07 PM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".Post[…]
And of course I agree with that, and I would call that the activity of resting, or of relaxing. That is something that you do consciously to take a break from something else, like eating when you are hungry or drinking when you are thirsty. You… -
DaveT
September 13, 2025 at 1:13 PM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".Post[…]
Not sure I can agree that normally educated people would view those three words as ridiculous. While keeping in mind we are discussing a small aspect of avoiding pain by pleasurable sensations/thoughts, I think even poorly educated people who hear… -
Cassius
September 13, 2025 at 11:03 AM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".Post[…]
Which in my mind means that if you're standing on a stage and you say "absence of pain is pleasure" or "absence of pain is the highest pleasure," then you're saying the equivalent of the sun is the size it appears to be, or "for gods there are, since… -
Don
PostSeptember 13, 2025 at 10:32 AM FWIW, the word translated virtue there is αρετή (aretē)
https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?do…7:entry=a)reth/ -
Cassius
September 13, 2025 at 10:25 AM Posted the thread Episode 299 - TD27 - Not Yet Recorded.ThreadWelcome to Episode 299 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world.
Each week we walk you through the… -
Kalosyni
September 13, 2025 at 8:15 AM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".Post[…]
From an article regarding virtues this, on Plato vs. Aristotle.
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Epicurus' stance seems to me to be built upon Aristotle's ideas, but yet adding in that "pleasure" is beneficial, and the ultimate end.
Philodemus wrote on virtues and vices:
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Here is a… -
Cassius
September 13, 2025 at 6:54 AM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".PostDave that's a great question and I'm not the best to answer it, but there's a lot written about this period in Cicero's life, when he was essentially in forced political retirement (due to opposing Julius Caesar) and in bad personal circumstances (his… -
DaveT
September 12, 2025 at 9:28 PM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".Post -
Cassius
ThreadSeptember 12, 2025 at 4:55 PM The latest podcast is now posted:
RE: Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1" -
Cassius
September 12, 2025 at 4:53 PM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".PostEpisode 298 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. Today our episode is entitled: "Facts and Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1"
[media]https://www.spreaker.com/episode/67739526/media -
Cassius
September 12, 2025 at 4:41 PM Replied to the thread Episode 298 - TD26 - Facts And Feelings In Epicurean Philosophy - Part 1".PostNext week we will incorporate this statement from Diogenes Laertius 32 as to the relationship between the feelings of pleasure and pain and Epicurus' view of what is true and real:
https://handbook.epicureanfriends.com/sbsdlx/#3232
Moreover, they are out… -
Kalosyni
September 12, 2025 at 9:26 AM Replied to the thread The Role of Virtue in Epicurean Philosophy According the Wall of Oinoanda.PostIt is important to note that the virtues are referred to as "the virtues", and indicates the commonly understood set of ancient virtues of prudence, justice, temperance, and courage.
Here is a simple article for reference:
---->The Four Cardinal Virtues in… -
Patrikios
September 11, 2025 at 5:05 PM Replied to the thread Bodily Sensations, Sentience and AI.Post[…]
kochiekoch
Here’s a direct link to the article.
https://dailygalaxy.com/2025/09/consci…ything-we-knew/
That is a very interesting article and research study into how our consciousness arises from interoception - our body's internal sensing system. I… -
Eikadistes
September 11, 2025 at 12:15 PM Replied to the thread Additional Timeline Details Needed.PostI've consolidated all of my sources here and formatted the names into an ascending list. -
Cassius
September 11, 2025 at 11:02 AM Posted the thread Additional Timeline Details Needed.ThreadIn last night's zoom it became clear to me that it would be good to have an additional timeline beyond what we have now (TIMELINES: Joshua's Timeline of Epicureanism From Classical Athens to Late Antiquity and Nate's Timeline of Ancient Epicurean History… -
Cassius
ThreadSeptember 11, 2025 at 10:03 AM This passage came up in discussion last night and I want to ask a question about it:
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A question has been raised about the meaning of the underline section. I've always thought this was worded in a difficult way, and it is not entirely clear whether… -
Adrastus
September 10, 2025 at 4:43 PM Replied to the thread Specific Methods of Resistance Against Our Coming AI Overlords.PostA.I. has some deep "intelligence" problems when it literally cited my own stranger, exploratory comment concerning Epicurean prolepsis on this forum back to me... I wouldn't trust what I have to say on such subjects, but I would trust whatever is going… -
Kalosyni
September 10, 2025 at 12:12 PM Replied to the thread Specific Methods of Resistance Against Our Coming AI Overlords.PostPerhaps this thread needs to be renamed to: "Using your own brain instead of AI".
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Kalosyni
September 10, 2025 at 12:06 PM Replied to the thread The Role of Virtue in Epicurean Philosophy According the Wall of Oinoanda.PostSome are some of my own personal reflections (without external aids) on the above text:- Happiness and pleasure are the same thing.
- The virtues are the means toward happiness/pleasure.
- Pleasure is the end goal of the best mode of life, not virtue.
- The virtues
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Cassius
PostSeptember 10, 2025 at 11:05 AM Dave:
Definitely in the end for each of us what matters is knowing the right answer. But there's a lot of trash to cut through for most of us before getting to that, and to a significant extent - going all the way back to Lucretius and go Epicurus… -
DaveT
PostSeptember 10, 2025 at 10:20 AM Cassius and Raphael Raul I'm looking forward to your further contributions. I confess I'm still somewhat mystified on the attention each of you give to this topic. To me, this topic only matters when outsiders are discussing and judging the behavior… -
DaveT
September 10, 2025 at 10:11 AM Replied to the thread Specific Methods of Resistance Against Our Coming AI Overlords.PostIf you are surveying opinions: I don't support a thread of "ways to resist AI". Even beyond the semantics, I'm not sure this is even apposite to the focus of our forum. I am eager to learn to use AI and understand its uses while retaining an appropriate… -
Kalosyni
September 10, 2025 at 9:09 AM Posted the thread The Role of Virtue in Epicurean Philosophy According the Wall of Oinoanda.ThreadIn the inscription on the wall of Oinoanda it says this:
"I shall discuss folly shortly, the virtues and pleasure now.
If, gentlemen, the point at issue between these people and us involved inquiry into «what is the means of happiness?» and they wanted…
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