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Joshua
December 24, 2025 at 6:17 PM Replied to the thread "But when we do not feel pain, we no longer need pleasure".Post[…]
δεόμεθα (δέω) can have the meaning of need, but it can also mean lack, which is more in keeping with Epicurean ethics; when we are not in pain, we no longer lack pleasure because we are already experiencing the fullest possible pleasure (as described… -
Kalosyni
December 24, 2025 at 5:31 PM Replied to the thread "But when we do not feel pain, we no longer need pleasure".Post[…]
I think that this remedy is only for those who need it, and also worth remembering that the letter mentions that it is not the pleasures of the profligates that are being referred to as pleasures.
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Daniel188
December 24, 2025 at 4:33 PM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..Post[…]
Here we have an example of the hidden philosophical assumptions behind meditation practices. Buddhist teachers often refer to the doctrine of anatta, the doctrine of non-self. Therefore, they recommend observing sensations and their transience and… -
Kalosyni
December 24, 2025 at 4:28 PM Posted the thread "But when we do not feel pain, we no longer need pleasure".ThreadSome thoughts on a practical application of the phrase: "...but when we do not feel pain, we no longer need pleasure."
The following is Bailey translation:
[128] "The right understanding of these facts enables us to refer all choice and avoidance to the… -
Cassius
December 24, 2025 at 4:22 PM Replied to the thread Athenian Political Prejudices.PostVery interesting thread. I don't have much to add at the moment but I want to make a couple of comments:
1 - i seem to remember that there might be some relevant material in Diskin clay's article "Epicurus' Last Will and Testament"
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Cassius
December 24, 2025 at 4:02 PM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..Post[…]
Yes I agree with your comments Don. And this is is a good example of being careful about the goal of techniques before they are used. Is your goal as to emotions to "let them pass" or "listen to what they are telling you and take appropriate… -
Cassius
December 24, 2025 at 3:45 PM Cassius has added the Entry Torquatus' Defense of Epicurus - From Cicero's On Ends to the lexicon.New (Entry)Cicero's Torquatus presents the most extensive advocacy of Epicurean ethics surviving from the ancient world.
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Cassius
December 24, 2025 at 3:41 PM Cassius has added the Entry The True Nature of Divinity - The Views Of Epicurus As Explained by Velleius to the lexicon.New (Entry)Cicero's presentation of the Epicurean point of view on the true nature of divinity.
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Joshua
December 24, 2025 at 3:29 PM Replied to the thread Athenian Political Prejudices.PostHere is a good start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Athens
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Joshua
December 24, 2025 at 2:58 PM Replied to the thread Athenian Political Prejudices.PostI'll try to remember where I first read about land inheritance in ancient Athens so I can give you a source, but it was a few years ago when I worked in land-surveying so it may take time! -
Eikadistes
December 24, 2025 at 2:54 PM Replied to the thread Athenian Political Prejudices.Post[…]
This is fascinating! (And exactly the kind of thing I was looking for). Thank you! -
Joshua
December 24, 2025 at 2:50 PM Replied to the thread Athenian Political Prejudices.PostEpicurus' status was clearly low by birth, and that he was derided for this in antiquity is a matter of record. But that he was born in the colonies is a symptom of his low status rather than the cause of it.
The real problem was wealth. Athens was… -
Don
December 24, 2025 at 2:48 PM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..Post[…]
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I would offer that one of the aims is this kind of meditation practice is to pay attention to the feelings of your body. I'll admit the Buddhist practice is to notice those feelings then let them pass; however, becoming more attuned to what your… -
Eikadistes
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Eikadistes
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Cassius
December 24, 2025 at 12:02 PM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..PostAlso as to "forgetting" there are obvious common sense aspects to choosing what you focus on. Beyond that, I would consider'. Are there any specific Epicurean texts that suggest practicing forgetfulness? I tend to focus on the specific statement in… -
Eikadistes
December 24, 2025 at 12:02 PM Posted the thread Athenian Political Prejudices.ThreadI was reviewing the Last Will, and something occured to me about (potentially) anti-Epicurean, Athenian prejudices against the Garden. I think there’s a misogynistic assumption laced-in there, and a xenophobic element that reflects property laws, which… -
Daniel188
December 24, 2025 at 11:20 AM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..Post[…]
This doesn't really seem like a good goal for reflective practices. I've read Hiram's book, and he listed various techniques there, but in my opinion, any meditation techniques focused on calming the body and mind are of limited use.
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Bryan
December 24, 2025 at 9:30 AM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..Post[…]
Certainly so,
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Quote from Hiram
"Taoists have a technology of the self for discarding memories: zuowang (sitting and forgetting). Although some descriptions of this practice sound mystifying..."
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Hiram does a lot of… -
Kalosyni
December 23, 2025 at 7:15 PM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..Post[…]
A word of caution here, that the writings by Hiram that are referred to in the above post can be characterized as unique interpretations of Epicurean philosophy that: at times incorporate elements and ideas from external sources -- and at times are… -
Patrikios
December 23, 2025 at 6:18 PM Replied to the thread Possible use of the Pythagorean exercise called "evening review" for Epicurean purposes..Post[…]
Daniel188 ,
Welcome, and thanks for your post.
From my reading, Epicurus did teach us a similar meditation practice himself. Meleta is the Epicurean practice of contemplation and philosophical exercise.
In "Choosing to Remember and to Forget," Hiram… -
Cassius
December 23, 2025 at 3:49 PM Wrote the blog article How Is The Wise Epicurean Always Happy?.Blog ArticleThere are as many opinions about happiness as there are people. Everyone has their own idea of what happiness is or should be. Some say that we should look to religion for happiness. Others say that there are no hard and fast rules, so if it feels good
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Patrikios
December 23, 2025 at 3:48 PM Replied to the thread Book: "Theory and Practice in Epicurean Political Philosophy" by Javier Aoiz & Marcelo Boeri.Post[…]
The full 249 pages is available to download here:
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Kalosyni
December 23, 2025 at 3:08 PM Replied to the thread Fourth Sunday Zoom - December 28, 2025 - Epicurean Philosophy Discussion - Agenda.PostComing up this next Sunday...is Fourth Sunday Zoom, open to forum members!
And a special invitation to our new members: EdGenX D Campbell jcblackmon Daniel188 Creative Air wbernys (and anyone else I may have missed listing).
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Cassius
December 23, 2025 at 2:54 PM Commented on the video How The Wise Epicurean Is Always Happy?.Comment (Image/Video)The topic was discussed in podcast Episode 307, linked below. The full transcript will be here.
Episode 307 - TD35 - How The Wise Epicurean Is Always Happy -
Kalosyni
December 23, 2025 at 11:38 AM Commented on the video How The Wise Epicurean Is Always Happy?.Comment (Image/Video)Cassius is there a transcript of this video to read? -
Don
December 23, 2025 at 6:59 AM Replied to the thread My personal, cursory interpretation of Epicurus. Please feel free to correct me..Post -
Cassius
PostDecember 22, 2025 at 7:22 PM For those who might be interested in a starting point to research the evolution of the concepts from eudaemonia to felicitas to "happiness," I have asked Claude to summarize the major points and produce a bibliography of references to check. Take this…
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