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Bryan
July 8, 2026 at 10:44 AM Reacted withReaction (Post)
to Don’s post in the thread During the time of Epicurus, who could read well enough to study philosophy?.Book 28 of On Nature ends with:
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He uses the word ἀκρόασις "hearing, hearkening or listening to" where "lecture series" is the translation even though its a written work. The work is also written partially as a dialogue between Metrodorus and… -
Cassius
July 8, 2026 at 10:04 AM Replied to the thread Welcome Max Duboff.Post[…]
Max, as you might expect, I will say that there's no conflict between these statemens of Torquatus at all.
Here's Torquatus in 1.37 (Reid translation): "we look upon the greatest pleasure as that which is enjoyed when all pain is removed. Now inasmuch… -
Kalosyni
Reaction (Post)July 8, 2026 at 9:59 AM […]
I always appreciate it when references to specific texts are given. It provides assurance that we're all looking at the same thing, although interpretation/translations sometimes/often differ.
In your assertion that "the evidence that Epicurus believed… -
Kalosyni
July 8, 2026 at 9:49 AM Replied to the thread During the time of Epicurus, who could read well enough to study philosophy?.PostThanks Don and thinking further...it appears that you may be hinting that we can't be totally certain about who exactly was attending Epicurus' Kepos, and what types of people attended the Epicurean communities. And yet, I don't think that it would be… -
Kalosyni
July 8, 2026 at 9:34 AM Reacted withReaction (Post) to Don’s post in the thread During the time of Epicurus, who could read well enough to study philosophy?.Book 28 of On Nature ends with:
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He uses the word ἀκρόασις "hearing, hearkening or listening to" where "lecture series" is the translation even though its a written work. The work is also written partially as a dialogue between Metrodorus and… -
Kalosyni
PostJuly 8, 2026 at 9:31 AM The original question: What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?
Let us suppost that there is a person who is in daily bodily pain, and who is having difficulty in managing that pain, then… -
Max DuBoff
July 8, 2026 at 8:50 AM Reacted withReaction (Post) to Patrikios’s post in the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.[…]
Cassius
I will have to agree with DaveT that I don’t see the value in this topic, from an Epicurean point of view. Life is worth living, and death is nothing to us . Something that is “nothing” to us has no value; therefore it can’t be… -
Max DuBoff
July 8, 2026 at 8:44 AM Replied to the thread Welcome Max Duboff.PostThanks for these points, Don and Cassius! Cassius, to be clear, I really was not saying Epicurus is (or was ever understood to be) a value dualist. I was providing a friendly amendment to his view. On Moral Ends 2.9 is a very interesting passage, about… -
Max DuBoff
Reaction (Post)July 8, 2026 at 8:37 AM […]
I always appreciate it when references to specific texts are given. It provides assurance that we're all looking at the same thing, although interpretation/translations sometimes/often differ.
In your assertion that "the evidence that Epicurus believed… -
Cassius
July 8, 2026 at 7:28 AM Replied to the thread Welcome Max Duboff.PostI agree with Don's post, and in addition specifically on the issue of whether Epicurus was understood in the ancient world to be a "value dualist," I would cite what I see as a very clear refutation of any idea that "absence of pain" is something…
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