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Demonstrations for the Existence of Gods

  • Eikadistes
  • September 21, 2024 at 2:32 AM
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Demonstrations for the Existence of Gods

Philodemus seems to be expressing a sort of agnostic polytheism:

"... all who have written in this same fashion deserve to be admired because of their intentions and not, on account of their inability, to be regarded as impious. It would be fitting to describe all men as impious, inasmuch as no one has been prolific in finding convincing demonstrations for the existence of gods; nevertheless all men, with the exception of some madmen, worship them, as do we...” (Philodemus, On Piety, Col. 23)

“ … οὐδεὶς
εἱκνουμένας πε-
ρὶ τ[οὺ θ]εοὺς ὑπάρ-
χε[ιν τἀς ἀπο]δείξεις
εύπ[όρησ]εν· ὁμῶς
δε [σέβ]ονται πάν-
τε[ς εἱ μή παρ]άκοποί τι-
νε[ς αὑτούς … ”

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Cassius
September 21, 2024 at 6:43 AM

Thanks Eiladistes. I wish we had some shorthand way of indicating a reasonable level of confidence for a particular text. Maybe we ought to create a thread to explore some kind of ranking system that would include factors like:

1. A rating of how intact the text is vs how much is reconstructed.as a percentage of words and whether those reconstructions are of critical portions.

2. A rating as to whether they key point of a text is repeated in other reliable authorities.

3. A rating of the reliability of the supposed original author (with Epicurus being the gold standard and someone like Horace being less reliable)

4. A rating of the "transmitter" that takes into account the viewpoint of the transmitter (those such as Diogenes Laertius being most likely to attempt to be correct while someone like Plutarch being inclined to cast negatively)

5. This would probably be hardest, but Perhaps even a rating of the "reconstructer" as to how well established they are or their level of "favorability" toward the point of view under discussion. For example the point of view of someone like David Sedley on the texts is more known, but that of Obbirk (just for example) less known (or so I gather). Another example is Bailey, who was personally pretty disdainful of Epicurean ethics and therefore might not work as hard to present them sympathetically, despite his general professionalism.

No system would be perfect but maybe would be helpful. Not at all sure it would be practical, but some kind of shorthand way to indicate when texts are doubtful and when not would be useful

Eikadistes
September 21, 2024 at 1:29 PM
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I am skeptical of Obbink's supposing that the rest of "τινε-" is "[-ς αὑτούς]". The "as we do" part of the translation struck me as being out-of-place, and (surprise, surprise), that part of the translation is 75% translator's inference. This excerpt is particularly provocative, and, if reliable, would be useful as a point of reference. Alas...

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