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  • Episode One Hundred Eighteen - Letter to Herodotus 07 - "Images" - There's More To Them Than Meets The Eye

    • Don
    • April 22, 2022 at 5:39 AM
    Quote from Cassius

    I am not even sure what we think of these today:. Are they electrical impulses? Chemicals?

    The brain and nervous system work with both electrical and chemical signals. Nerve impulses are electrical. But the signals are carried between synapses in the brain are (primarily) by chemical compounds (neurotransmitters).

    The synapse (article) | Human biology | Khan Academy
    How neurons communicate with each other at synapses. Chemical vs. electrical synapses.
    www.khanacademy.org

    4.1 The Neuron Is the Building Block of the Nervous System – Introduction to Psychology – 1st Canadian Edition

  • Next Big Idea episode on emotions and feelings

    • Don
    • April 21, 2022 at 9:33 AM

    Listened to this on my way to work. Seemed to me to confirm some basic Epicuruean ideas on the value of emotions/feelings. I'll have to dig into what gets translated as"emotion" and/or "feeling" in the texts. Enjoy!

    And of course this book is now on my ever-expanding reading list.

  • Next Big Idea episode on emotions and feelings

    • Don
    • April 21, 2022 at 9:25 AM
    EMOTIONAL: Do Your Feelings Make You Smarter? by The Next Big Idea
    megaphone.link
  • An Outline of Major Objections -Christopher Hitchens

    • Don
    • April 16, 2022 at 8:40 AM

    "Tantum religio potuit suadere malorum."

    Hail Eostre, goddess of Spring and renewal!

    Hail Aphrodite, hail Venus, goddess praised by Lucretius, from whom new life springs!

    (.... Metaphorically speaking, of course ;) )

    Ēostre - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org
  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 16, 2022 at 7:56 AM

    Collections Online | British Museum

    So, there's the link to the British Museum ;)

    Not British but putting this article on the Villa dei Papyri here for future reference. Some great photos.

    Hedonism in Herculaneum | Apollo Magazine
    The Villa dei Papiri gives us a glimpse into the world of a Roman statesman and his interest in Epicurean philosophy, writes Emma Park
    www.apollo-magazine.com
  • Epicurean mosaics in Autun - France

    • Don
    • April 15, 2022 at 6:00 AM

    I realized this thread dovetails with our discussion on this thread regarding the Celts and Gauls since these mosaics are in a Gallo-Roman villa.

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    RE: New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    […]

    Let's not sell the Gauls short. Take a look at the Gallo-Roman city of Nimes and its preserved colosseum and temple.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%AEmes?wprov=sfla1

    The Gauls weren't all Asterix and Obelix (although I have a soft spot for them as well as the historical Vercingetorix himself)
    Don
    April 13, 2022 at 8:47 PM
  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 13, 2022 at 10:10 PM

    Plus the Celts were unrivaled (in my opinion) in their artwork* and metallurgy... And they invented the iron-rimmed wheel used for chariots! They were also courageous and respected for their prowess in battle, even in defeat, as portrayed in at least two ancient statues of defeated Gauls. The Celtic and German tribes were formidable enemies, the former eventually embraced within the Empire, that latter kicking the Romans butts (not the least in Teutoburg Forest) and setting a clear boundary to Roman ambition.

    But my pride in my ancestral heritage may be showing just a bit with this post. ;)

    *PS: Okay, I'll give the Greeks their statuary and pottery, but Celtic artwork remains stunning. I'm including later Celtic artwork in the Christian era but items like the Books of Kells and Lindisfarne are unrivaled (again, my opinion)

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 13, 2022 at 8:47 PM
    Quote from Matt

    Probably far more Italian in mannerisms than their Gallic or British counterparts.

    Let's not sell the Gauls short. Take a look at the Gallo-Roman city of Nimes and its preserved colosseum and temple.

    Nîmes - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org

    The Gauls weren't all Asterix and Obelix (although I have a soft spot for them as well as the historical Vercingetorix himself)

  • Hidden Brain episode

    • Don
    • April 13, 2022 at 9:28 AM

    Yet ANOTHER modern scientific insight that Epicurus found 2,000 years ago: listening to your feelings leads to better decision making...

    The Benefits of Mixed Emotions | Hidden Brain Media
    We've all been in situations where we experience mixed emotions. Maybe you've felt both joy and sadness during a big life decision, such as whether to
    hiddenbrain.org

    Can't start around the ~20 minute mark if you don't want to listen to the whole episode.

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 13, 2022 at 8:00 AM
    Quote from Cassius

    I would dearly love to find some surviving Catius and - whose the other one - Rufinius?

    I heard a sobering statistic on a podcast the other day. It is estimated that we only have 1-3% of all the writings that survived from the ancient world. We will never have access to 97-99% of it all. ;(

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 13, 2022 at 7:20 AM
    Quote from Joshua

    Lucian was also Syrian, but has long been noted for his command of the Greek Language.

    Agreed. Koine Greek was the lingua franca of the Ancient World for quite some time. That's one reason Marcus Aurelius, a Roman *emperor* could choose to write his diary in Greek.

    Joshua 's note about Lucian is one of the reasons Luke Ranieri chose to call his ancient Greek pronunciation convention "Lucian" https://lukeranieri.com/lucianpronunciation/

    Quote from Joshua

    And I continue to think that it makes sense to situate Epicurus as particularly Ionian. Among the Pre-Socratics, Aristotle called the Ionians physiologoi---"those who study nature".

    Agreed, he seems to be firmly in that Ionian tradition, although I wonder how Epicurus would feel about being seen as an Ionian and not Athenian. :)

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 12, 2022 at 7:13 PM

    Oh, so according to that map, the Insubrians were a Celtic people. Interesting.

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 12, 2022 at 4:10 PM
    Quote from Godfrey

    From Cicero, On the Nature of the Gods:

    The Latin section starts for what it's worth here:http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?do…%3Asection%3D46

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 12, 2022 at 4:04 PM
    Quote from Cicero to Cassius

    Catius the Insubrian, an Epicurean, who died lately, gives the name of spectres to what the famous Gargettian [Epicurus], and long before that Democritus, called images

    M. Tullius Cicero, Epistulae ad Familiares, ad senatvm et ceteros, Scr. Romae ante mcd. m. Ian. a. 709 (45). M. CICERO S. D. C. CASSIO

    In the translated letter:

    English "spectres" = Latin: spectris

    Charlton T. Lewis, Charles Short, A Latin Dictionary, spectrum

    English "images" = Greek εἴδωλον (we've seen before!)

    Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, εἴδωλον

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 12, 2022 at 12:45 PM

    'Mental images" might be a better description.

  • A Recap of Principles of Epicurean Physics

    • Don
    • April 12, 2022 at 7:51 AM

    Of possible interest:

    'When did Kosmos become the Kosmos?' In P. S. Horky, ed., Cosmos in the Ancient World (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 2019), pp. 22-41.
    This paper focuses on the perennial historical problem, inherited from ancient doxographers, concerning who was the first Greek to adapt the meaning of the…
    www.academia.edu
    Cosmos in the Ancient World (Cambridge University Press, 2019), 'Table of Contents', 'An Historical Note on Κόσμος-Terminology', and 'Introduction'.
    Table of Contents, discussion of the history of the word κόσμος in English, and Introduction to the entire volume, including summary of chapters.
    www.academia.edu
  • Episode One Hundred Seventeen - Letter to Herodotus 06 - The Doctrine of Infinity of Worlds And Its Implications

    • Don
    • April 11, 2022 at 9:14 PM
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    RE: A Recap of Principles of Epicurean Physics

    @Martin , I have been wondering if you would agree that Epicurus' concept of a "World" is more-or-less compatible with the contemporary definition of the "Observable Universe". If so, is (as I understand it) the "whole Universe (beyond that which is "Observable") an appropriate candidate in which "Other Worlds" might be?

    I know we often think of an Epicurean "World" as a Solar System, and "Other Worlds" as exoplanets, but I am considering the possibility that the "Observable Universe" better…
    Eikadistes
    March 30, 2022 at 12:23 PM

    With the importance of the word "world" in this episode, I'd encourage people to check out the thread I've linked to above, starting with Eikadistes 's post on equating κόσμος kosmos with "observable universe." It's a good thread and it's directly relevant to the topics y'all discussed here.

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 11, 2022 at 5:54 PM
    Quote from Cassius

    You can choose to imagine them, but I think it ought to be pretty apparent (at least in most situations) whether you are perceiving something that is "out there" beyond you, or whether you have chosen to summon the image from memory or from a new construct.

    See, that's my sticking point here in reference to the gods. No one has ever seen a god and yet Epicurus says we have an image of them?

    PS...

    Has anyone tracked down the "the gods are giant-people-shaped and speak Greek" citation?

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM
    Quote from Cassius

    You would generally expect that images coming from real objects will be observed over time and in varying conditions and are thus repeatable, while images arising from random combinations would be unlikely to be repeated in substantially similar form

    Hmm... I can repeatedly think about centaurs and unicorns in substantially similar forms.

    I agree looking in the Lucretius sections may be helpful, but I'm not sure I agree (at first blush) on your repeatability criteria.

  • New Sedley Chapter On Ancient Greek Atheism

    • Don
    • April 11, 2022 at 12:34 PM
    Quote from Cassius

    The Platonic (?) model implies (at least to me) something more supernatural

    I don't believe that's the case.

    History of optics - Wikipedia

    "In the fifth century BC, Empedocles postulated that everything was composed of four elements; fire, air, earth and water. He believed that Aphrodite made the human eye out of the four elements and that she lit the fire in the eye which shone out from the eye making sight possible. If this were true, then one could see during the night just as well as during the day, so Empedocles postulated an interaction between rays from the eyes and rays from a source such as the sun. He stated that light has a finite speed."

    Lots to wade through on this thread, but my responses will have to wait until tonight.

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