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I may have to join in on this one in lieu of the 20th. Hmmm. I have some definite thoughts on PD10 and Menoikeus 131. I'll register at Eventbrite just in case I'm able to attend.
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At first glance those definitions would seem to be "positive" in the sense of "reveal" rather than hinting at illusions or error.
Or things revealed to the senses.
That's also the Greek word related to English phenomenon.
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I'm looking forward to digging into this at some point. For now, several of those instances appear (no pun intended, honestly) to connect to φαίνω:
Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, φαίνω
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Stallings was my first full read through.
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LOL!
Well, okay... As long as you don't have any strong feelings....I'm going to have to try to weave daedel into casual conversation this coming week.
PS. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dae…0About%20daedal
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Did you want to link to Perseus (Leonard)?
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just updating the thread with the current graphic
That.
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Nature's God: The Heretical Origins of the American Republic by Matthew Stewart. It is a dense read, but very informative, and I recommend it.
Added to my Good Reads "Want to read" list! Thanks!
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Right! Supplemental home study is the main thing I was thinking about,
That's what I suspected. Nonetheless, figured I'd go off on homeschooling.
to some extent we do make lots of choices for our children
Fully agree! When it comes to some choices we make, it's best to make it as organic as possible though. Let the children be participants instead of captives. Make the pedagogy experiential and interactive instead of the "sage on the stage."
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Can never go wrong to bring up Eikadistes 's masterful compilation of the PDs:
KURIAI DOXAI, a Compilation of Translations by Nathan H. Bartman (2021)
This compilation contains 150 years worth of English translations of the "Key Doctrines" of Epicurus.
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An Epicurean "home schooling curriculum" for young people (or for any age
) would be highly desirable and ought to be a long term goalHmm... I'm gonna have to push back on Cassius's comment a little there. I'm skeptical of homeschooling of any ilk. I'm sure some parents who do homeschooling can do a satisfactory job, but it always struck me as insular and isolating. School is both educational as well as social. I'm not going to sugarcoat the school experience, especially in adolescence it can be hard! But my entire family are products of a public education. We turned out okay (I think).
And Epicurus did rail against the indoctrination of his day, παιδεία. But he also taught in the Garden. No doubt to groups and individuals.
But education doesn't *stop* with formal instruction. Parents do need to be involved with their children. Encourage creativity and curiosity. Foster what brings the children pleasure. Take pleasure in seeing your children experiencing fun.
Parenting is HARD. There are times where it is a pain! But, to me, this is a classic example of experiencing pain for future pleasure. Seeing one's children grow to curious, kind adults is a pleasure.
But to wind back to Cassius, I could see a "Sunday School" curriculum being helpful. Some kind of supplemental home study. But it shouldn't necessarily be imposed on one's children. It should ideally be organic. Get them out into nature. Encourage them to use their senses. Explore! Get them to ask questions. Find evidence-based material answers. Make it fun! Make it pleasurable!
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. I sort of think some of the teachings of Jesus have been stolen and changed to fit the magical and idealist thinking of religion,
Are you familiar with Thomas Jefferson's Bible editing?
Jefferson Bible - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org -
I personally was not aware of (or had forgotten) Farrington. A number of his books are on Internet Archive:
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I hadn't even had a chance to read the whole paper yet. I found the reference to Pythocles on p45 cited in Sedley's Lucretius and the Transformation of Greek Wisdom. Then found the paper on Academia.edu.
Note the word απορία in the beginning. That's the aporia being mentioned in another thread on the forum. Hmmm... Looks like I'll have to read this whole thing.
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This paper by Sedley contains some VERY interesting possible/probable biographical information of Pythocles (especially starting around p.45)...
Epicurus and the mathematicians of CyzicusEpicurus and the mathematicians of Cyzicuswww.academia.edu -
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I remember back in high school (early 80s) typing a program onto cassette tapes that was the nascent version of this conversational bot in the form of a therapist. It was fascinating! Although one idiosyncrasy was that if you didn't mention your mother within a certain number of lines, they program said, "I notice you haven't mentioned your mother," taking a decidedly Freudian turn.
I saw one of the comments on the article make a good point. They said that one problem with comparing AI to humans is that humans learn from caregivers, from their environment, from society; while AIs learn from datasets as well as social media. And we're well aware of the biases and pitfalls of social media, the Internet, and datasets.
Another caveat is our old friend, "definitions." How do you define "conscious," "sentient" even "alive."
That's enough for now. Thanks for jumpstarting this.
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