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New Graphics: Are You On Team Epicurus? | Comparison Chart: Epicurus vs. Other Philosophies | Chart Of Key Epicurean Quotations | Accelerating Study Of Canonics Through Philodemus' "On Methods Of Inference" | Note to all users: If you have a problem posting in any forum, please message Cassius  

  • Diogenes of Oinoanda Inscription - NEW Complete Translation By MFS - March 2026

    • Don
    • May 10, 2026 at 8:00 AM
    Quote from Titus
    Quote from Don

    I want to note that where Martin Ferguson Smith gives "states" in the translation, the Greek is κατασ̣τήμασι and καταστημάτων, that is katastēmasi and katastēmatōn.

    Do you have a recommendation how to translate this section smoothly where Ferguson instead gives "states"? (Let us first discuss states...)

    "States" isn't a bad choice as it tries to convey a stable condition rather than something in flux, something moving. I will say I don't like "static" as that to me conveys ossification and rigidity. In the past, I've written "It comes from καθιστημι according to LSJ with connotations like restore, return, set in order, etc. So it's not a static state, it's a return to order (ataraxia and aponia) after the 'excitement' of euphrosyne and khara."

    But you asked for a translation of the section. To be specific, κατασ̣τήμασι is a plural dative and τῶν καταστημάτων is the plural genitive of κατάστημα "state, condition; which is related to καθίστημι. Check out that link for the numerous connotations of that word, including bring down to a place; replace, restore; set in order, array, of soldiers; bring into a certain state; etc. This is why translation is so tricky. Words have semantic contexts to a speaker of that language that can be completely missed by simple substitutions from language A to B.

    But that's never stopped me before ^^, so here's my crack at the first sentence of the Greek (Oh my! I am rusty!)...

    ἡμ[εῖς δὲ ζη]τ̣ῶ̣μεν ἤ̣δ̣η πῶς ὁ βίος ἡμεῖν ἡδὺς γένηται καὶ ἐν τοῖς κατασ̣τήμασι καὶ ἐν ταῖς πράξεσιν.

    So, let us now consider what stable conditions and what actions produce the sweet, pleasant life for us.

  • Diogenes of Oinoanda Inscription - NEW Complete Translation By MFS - March 2026

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 10:34 PM

    Yes, Titus . Agreed.

    For the record, here's the Greek for that section emphasis added):

    Quote

    ἡμ[εῖς δὲ ζη]τ̣ῶ̣μεν ἤ̣δ̣η πῶς ὁ βίος ἡμεῖν ἡδὺς γένηται καὶ ἐν τοῖς κατασ̣τήμασι καὶ ἐν ταῖς πράξεσιν. περὶ δὲ τῶν καταστημάτων πρῶτον εἴπωμεν, ἐκεῖνο τηροῦντες, τὸ δὴ ὅτι τῶν ὀχλούντων τὴν ψυχὴν παθῶν ὑπεξαιρεθέντων τὰ ἥδοντα αὐτὴν ἀντιπαρέρχεται. ⁦ vac. 1⁩ τὰ οὖν ὀχλοῦντα τίνα [ἐστ]ί̣ν; ⁦ vac. 1⁩ φόβοι μέν̣ [εἰσιν] [ὁ] μ̣ὲν ἐκ θεῶν, ⁦ vac. 1⁩ ὁ [δ' ἀπὸ] [θ]α̣νάτου, ⁦ vac. 1⁩ ὁ δ' ἀπ' [ἀλγη-]...

    I want to note that where Martin Ferguson Smith gives "states" in the translation, the Greek is κατασ̣τήμασι and καταστημάτων, that is katastēmasi and katastēmatōn. Diogenes is talking about the good old katastematic and kinetic pleasures here. He doesn't use kinetic but instead πράξεσιν praxesin from πρᾶξῐς (prâxĭs): "act; action; activity; deed; doing" The word used by Epicurus κίνησις kinēsis is motion, opposed to "rest" (στάσις). I would say opposed to "states."

    This goes along with my contention that the katastematic pleasure of ataraxia and maybe aponia is achieved by rooting out these "fears —of the gods, of death, and of [pains]— and, besides [these], desires that [outrun] the limits fixed by nature." These are what gives humans dread and anxiety about the big picture of their life. Will they still have some anxiety about everyday things? Sure, I think so, but ripping out those fundamental existential disturbing fears provides a solid foundation upon which to build one's life.

  • Diogenes of Oinoanda Inscription - NEW Complete Translation By MFS - March 2026

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 12:36 PM

    I'm curious to compare the arrangement of the text in the book to this:

    DCLP/Trismegistos 865216 = LDAB 865216

  • Diogenes of Oinoanda Inscription - NEW Complete Translation By MFS - March 2026

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 12:09 PM
    Quote from Cassius

    Up to now the version at the link below has been the best available to us:

    That's what I like about this March 2026 publication. It's legit from MFS himself along with his notes and intro.

  • Sources of Texts: A Substack Bibliography

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 10:07 AM

    The whole Untroubled Substack feed looks worthwhile to explore. I'm not sure who the author is, but he praises Emily Austin's book so :thumbup:

    Book Review: Emily Austin’s Living For Pleasure
    If you read one book on Epicurean ethics, make it this one
    open.substack.com
  • Diogenes of Oinoanda Inscription - NEW Complete Translation By MFS - March 2026

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 9:42 AM

    FYI

    "Fragments of Diogenes' work were discovered in 1884-1889. Further investigations were inaugurated by Martin Ferguson Smith in 1968-1973 and continued during British and German-led surveys (1974-2017). The number of known pieces of the inscription more than tripled, from 88 in the 19th century to 305. This translation, the first in English to include all the latest discoveries and research, is intended for all who are interested in philosophy, in the intellectual and cultural history of the Greek world under the Roman Empire, and in the story of an impressive and moving human document."

  • Superstition Ain't the Way

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 8:43 AM

    I look forward to digging into the text, but I really like the playlist/section titles! Well played!

  • Diogenes of Oinoanda Inscription - NEW Complete Translation By MFS - March 2026

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 7:56 AM

    https://www.tabedizioni.it/web/content/462840

    FREE DOWNLOAD from Martin Ferguson Smith

  • Sources of Texts: A Substack Bibliography

    • Don
    • May 9, 2026 at 7:52 AM
    Epicurean Ethics: The Primary Sources
    What to Read and Recommended Translations
    open.substack.com

    I came across this Substack article and it looked generally like a good list of sources, including...

    Urbi et Orbi
    www.tabedizioni.it

    "Just this year (March 2026), however, the leading scholar on Diogenes, Martin Ferguson Smith, released the most up to date English translation of the whole text, available free online under the title Urbi et Orbi: The Epicurean Inscription and Prescription of Diogenes of Oinoanda." :thumbup::thumbup:🎉

    This should become our definitive version of the Oinoanda inscription translation. Apologies if this has already been noted. This is a Big Deal! The downloaded PDF looks great!

  • Should Epicurus be viewed as a pure consequentialist, virtue ethicist, or both?

    • Don
    • May 8, 2026 at 7:32 PM
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    This forum is here for those who take ideas seriously and want to make up their own minds about things.

    :thumbup::thumbup:Well said, and, as always, thanks for creating this corner of the Internet in the first place, Cassius

  • Should Epicurus be viewed as a pure consequentialist, virtue ethicist, or both?

    • Don
    • May 8, 2026 at 9:57 AM
    Quote from Cassius

    with the problem of finding it being that Usener uses "honorable" and "excellence" and "noble."

    I just searched for spit

  • Should Epicurus be viewed as a pure consequentialist, virtue ethicist, or both?

    • Don
    • May 8, 2026 at 8:55 AM
    Quote from Cassius

    I am not quickly finding the Usener number

    U181

    Epicurus: Fragments - translation

    And U512

    Epicurus: Fragments - translation (3)

  • Should Epicurus be viewed as a pure consequentialist, virtue ethicist, or both?

    • Don
    • May 8, 2026 at 7:20 AM
    Quote from wbernys

    He says "And he considers it better to be rationally unfortunate than irrationally fortunate, since it is better for a beautiful choice to have the wrong results than for an ugly choice to have the right results just by chance." (Peter Saint-Andre). This seem to pain the picture of personal intentions mattering more than actual consequences.

    To me, that section doesn't point to intention but rather taking an active role in ones choices and rejections versus not letting chance rule what happens to you.

  • Innovations/Updates in Epicurus Philosophy

    • Don
    • May 8, 2026 at 4:21 AM
    Quote from Matteng

    we still live in an material universe without divinity or afterlife….

    <3 Well said. THAT for me is the most basic fundamental doctrine in Epicurus' physics. That's the foundation stone upon which fear of the gods and anxiety of punishment after death are dispelled. THAT'S the non-negotiable point for me. Epicurus fleshes out that point, but that's what it gets built on and what it comes back to.

    Scientists can argue the details of string theory, quantum loop gravity, quantum physics, and the rest. But Matteng concisely stated the foundation.

  • Innovations/Updates in Epicurus Philosophy

    • Don
    • May 8, 2026 at 3:56 AM
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    PD24 - Commentary and Translation of PD 24

    Principal Doctrine 24 (PD 24) is one of the more convoluted doctrines with multiple phrases and conjunctions. I would like to provide some commentary and break the doctrine down into manageable words and phrases for everyone to get a more coherent understanding of what Epicurus was communicating. You may also want to take a look at this doctrine’s page on the Epicurus Wiki:

    First the original text:

    […]

    Now, let’s break it down before we put it all back together. I’ll provide a (mostly) literal…
    Don
    September 2, 2020 at 11:56 PM

    On the 4th leg, I wanted to bring up this extended thread we had awhile ago on PD24. It goes a little off track at the end, but the first part is on point

    (Full disclosure: I have not read Hiram's essay linked above yet.)

  • Considering The Feelings (Pleasure and Pain) and Prolepsis/Anticipations as Sensations

    • Don
    • May 7, 2026 at 10:49 PM
    Dolorology (PAIN) with Dr. Rachel Zoffness — alie ward
    PAIN. What is it? Where does it come from? And how can we hurt less? Which hurts more, a kidney stone or heartache? Why does chronic pain persist? Can we turn…
    www.alieward.com

    Not sure where to post, but this ologies episode on pain was interesting, especially about its bio-psycho-social aspects of pain. Worth a listen.

  • Klavan's "Gateway To Epicureanism" (Note: The Title Is Part Of A "Gateway" Series - The Author Himself Is Strongly Anti-Epicurean)

    • Don
    • May 6, 2026 at 8:18 AM
    Quote from Brandenoz

    Nietzsche continues to stick around

    It's the moustache.

    Quote from Cassius

    I think a lot of the commercial appeal is 1 "Thus Spake Zarathustra" is a cool name, and (2) there's a market who want to say that they have read the philosopher who said "God is dead."

    Quote from Cassius

    There's a coolness factor to things like "what doesn't kill us makes us stronger" that's about as far as most people get.

    Agreed on those, too.

    You can buy Nietzsche and have him on your bookshelf and make people think you're countercultural.

  • Alex O'Connor made a video about us.

    • Don
    • May 5, 2026 at 6:50 AM
    Quote from Cassius

    the smashed-version Epicurus bust (which I detest when people use rather than the many perfectly-good alternate versions that are available)

    I would agree there are better alternatives, but in some ways I like the broken one as a metaphor for Epicurus has taken a beating but he's still standing, 2,000+ years on. "Bring it on! I can take it!"

  • Alex O'Connor made a video about us.

    • Don
    • May 4, 2026 at 11:10 PM

    I found another video where the author defends Epicurus and his philosophy against a host calling Epicurus "the worst philosopher". I haven't watched it all yet, but it seems to start strong:

  • Alex O'Connor made a video about us.

    • Don
    • May 4, 2026 at 8:46 PM

    I see the guest is coming out with a new book:

    https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250454256/theartofenough/

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