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“No pleasure is intrinsically bad: but the effective causes of some pleasures bring with them a great many perturbations of pleasure.” Yonge (1853)

“No pleasure is evil in itself, but the objects productive of certain pleasures may lead to annoyances many times greater than the pleasure.” Wallace, Epicureanism 150 (1880)

“No pleasure is in itself evil, but the things which produce certain pleasures entailannoyances many times greater than the pleasures themselves.” Hicks (1910)

“No pleasure is in itself evil, but the things which produce certain pleasures entailannoyances many times greater than the pleasures themselves.” Hicks (1925)

“No pleasure is a bad thing in itself: but the means which produce some pleasures bring with them disturbances many times greater than the pleasures.” Bailey (1926)

”No pleasure is evil in itself but the practices productive of certain pleasures bring troubles in their train that by many times outweigh the pleasures themselves.” De Witt, Epicurus and His Philosophy 235 (1954)

“No pleasure is evil it itself; but the means by which certain pleasures are gained bring pains many times greater than the pleasures.” Geer (1964)

“No pleasure is something bad per se: but the causes of some pleasures produce stresses many times greater than the pleasures” Long, The Hellenistic Philosophers 115 (1987)

“No pleasure is evil in itself; but the means of obtaining some pleasures bring in their wake troubles many times greater than the pleasures.” O'Connor (1993)

“No pleasure is a bad thing in itself. But the things which produce certain pleasures bring troubles many times greater than the pleasures.” Inwood & Gerson (1994)

“No pleasure is a bad thing in itself, but some pleasures are only obtainable at the cost of excessive troubles.” Anderson (2004)

“No pleasure is a morally bad thing in itself. But the agents that produce certain pleasures bring about vexations that outnumber the pleasures themselves.” Makridis (2005)

“No pleasure is bad in itself; but the means of paying for some pleasures bring with them disturbances many times greater than the pleasures themselves.” Saint-Andre (2008)

“No pleasure is bad in itself. But the things that make for pleasure in certain cases entail disturbances many times greater than the pleasures themselves.” Strodach (2012)

“No pleasure is intrinsically bad; but the means of producing certain pleasures may entail annoyances many times greater than the pleasures themselves.” Mensch (2018)

“No pleasure is in itself anything bad; but some pleasures are produced by things that bring along troubles many times greater than those pleasures.” White (2021)

Index To Major Posts At The Epicurean Philosophy Facebook Group

• 10/26/17 On Einstein's Statement That Calm and Modest Life brings more happiness - J. Baker
• 10/26/17 Collins/Watts Summary of Epicurus from 1877- R. Warick
• 10/23/17 On Quark and Void? - M. Howard
• 10/20/17 "Why Die?" - J. Baker
• 10/19/17 Epicurus As Simultanously Most Loved and Reviled - C. Amicus
• 10/16/17 Variations on Lucretius Translations - H. Crespo
• 10/14/17 On Mackie or Joyce - C. Laubach
• 10/14/17 The Force is Pleasure - C. Amicus
• 10/13/17 Epicureanism and Utilitarianism / Quietism? J. Wertman
• 10/14/17 Upcoming 2018 Panhellic Symposium on Epicurus - T. Panagiotopoulous
• 10/13/17 On Dealing with Grief - E. Pensa
• 10/12/17 On the Term "Atom and Void" - M. Howard
• 10/12/17 "Are You An Epicurean?" - G M Bellu
• 10/12/17 Comparing Epicurean v Stoic Advice for dealing with adversity - A. Dienstbier
• 10/11/17 Mindfulness or Mindless? - C. Amicus
• 10/11/17 Secondary Literature on Epicurus - C. Laubach
• 10/11/17 On Stoic "Dichotomy of Control" J. Wertman
• 10/09/17 Is Epicureanism a Religion? - C. Tsigaridas
• 10/08/17 On Struggle and Living Life - H. Crespo
• 10/08/17 On Francis Wright's "A Few Days In Athens"
• 10/08/17 Visual Presentations On Epicurus - C. Laubach
• 10/08/17 Hedonism in CNN Article - N. Bartman
• 10/07/17 "He Who Hid Well Lived Well " Descartes - J. Wertman
• 10/07/17 Key Differences Between Epicureanism and Stoicism - B. Chivers
• 10/07/17 "Piety in Epicurean Philosophy" G Kaplanis - E. Pensa
• 10/06/17 Comments on "Taking Pleasure Seriously" 2 - E. Reynolds
• 10/05/17 Comments on "Taking Pleasure Seriously" 1 - J. Wertman
• 10/06/17 Epicurus Bust from Gipsnich Germany - M. Hardy
• 10/03/17 The Epicurean position on Sex - M. Carteron
• 10/02/17 We're Not living in a simulation - N. Bartman
• 10/02/17 The "Monty Hall" Question and Epicurean logic
• 10/03/17 AA Long - "Chance and Natural Law in Epicureanism" - C. Amicus
• 10/02/17 Reaction to Las Vegas - E. Reynolds
• 09/29/17 The Big Bang Wasn't the Beginning - Epicurean Touchpoints - C. Amicus
• 09/24/17 Libertarianism - New Group - Epicurean Natural Justice
• 09/22/17 Comments on Article on Lucretius - C. Amicus
• 09/20/17 Is "Meaning" necessary for a pleasant life / happiness? - M. Stradomski
• 09/20/17 Everything is done for the sake of pleasure - C. Amicus
• 09/19/17 Pursuit of Pleasure as a modern day addiction - S. Koch
• 09/18/17 Dealing With Chronic Pain - M. Melo
• 09/19/17 Tips For New Student of Epicurus - S. Teter
• 09/18/17 Modern Proponents of Epicureanism - J. Jeannie
• 09/17/17 Epicurus And Fulfilling Needs - E. Gardiner
• 09/15/17 Comments on an Egyptian Poem
• 09/14/17 "Mere pleasure" - E. Reynolds
• 09/13/17 HuffPo on Difference Between Happiness and Pleasure - A. Rios
• 09/13/17 Epicurus as an Individualist - E. Reynolds
• 09/12/17 New Group - Epicurus In The Lotus - H. Crespo
• 09/10/17 Influence of Buddhism on Epicurean Thought - D. Graham
• 09/10/17 Does not cultivating virtue lead to less pleasure? - D. Gilstrap
• 09/11/17 On "Your Best Life" - C. Amicus
• 09/09/17 Death of Epicurus Compared to Death of Socrates - D. Robertson
• 09/10/17 Did Epicurus Advise Against Having Children? E. Baltatzis
• 09/10/17 On Quantum Mechanics and Epicurean Physics - S. Erfurt
• 09/03/17 Relationship of Emotions to Pleasure and Pain - J. Hammon
• 09/04/17 Epicurean Dogmatism - H. Crespo / J. Baker
• 09/01/17 The Relationship between Virtue and Pleasure - J. Hammon
• 08/31/17 Digby Translation of Lucretius in Jefferson's Library - C. Amicus
• 08/30/17 Aurelius Quote on Illness Attributed to Epicurus - D. Robertson
• 08/30/17 "The Fundamental Defect of Epicureanism Is...." C. Amicus
• 08/30/17 How Epicurean Was Marcus Aurelius - D. Robertson
• 08/30/17 On "Defects in Epicureanism" - J. Hammon
• 08/29/17 On Romantic Love / Nietzsche - E. Pensa
• 08/28/17 On Choices and Avoidances - J. Hammon
• 08/27/17 What Does "for most people to be quiet is to be numb and to be active is frenzied" mean? - J. Hammon
• 08/23/17 Making Epicureanism a Hero's Philosophy - D. Gilstrap
• 08/23/17 Facebook Representation of Hellenistic Philosophers - N. Bartman
• 08/23/17 More Thoughts On Virtue and Misrepresentations - J. Hammon
• 08/23/17 Greek Treasures Stolen By Fourmont - E. Pensa
• 08/22/17 Reddit Article on Epicurean Sources - C. Amicus
• 08/22/17 Athenian History Interpreted by Cavafy - E. Pensa
• 08/19/17 How Long Should the Parthenon Stand? - C. Amicus
• 08/19/17 20th - What is Anhedonia - S. Koch
• 08/18/17 Socratic Tea Ceremony - J. Baker
• 08/13/17 Where Streets are named for Philosophers 2 - E. Pensa
• 08/15/17 "Man The Hunter" link - J. Baker
• 08/15/17 "Root of all good" - C. Amicus
• 08/14/17 Greenblatt Discusses the Swerve 2 - D. Nikolic
• 08/14/17 Greenblatt Discusses the Swerve 1 - D. Nikolic
• 08/14/17 Pollock's Epicurus - Vatican Sayings - H. Crespo
• 08/14/17 How We Decide What is Beautiful - E. Pensa
• 08/13/17 Where Streets are named for Philosophers 1 - E. Pensa
• 08/12/17 "Why Study Epicurus?" handout - C. Amicus
• 08/05/17 Can There be a Universally Common Way of Thinking? Comments on Article by Christos Yapijakis - C. Amicus
• 08/07/17 Comments on the Movie "300" - E. Pensa
• 08/05/17 Hymn to Gaia - E. Pensa
• 08/05/17 Lucretius on Primacy of Senses Over Logic - C. Amicus
• 08/01/17 Would Technology Have Advanced in An Epicurean World? - M Laberge
• 07/31/17 "The Universe Doesn' Care about your purpose - R. Warrick
• 07/30/17 Our Senses Are Basis For Judging Good and Bad - M. Jackson
• 07/30/17 Money Can Buy Happiness When Used Correctly - A. Rios
• 07/30/17 On the Expectation of Unanimity of Opinion - C. Amicus
• 07/29/17 On Sextus Empiricus and Skepticism - N. Bartman
• 07/29/17 Book Recommendations - Viswajth
• 07/29/17 Dimitris Liantinis on the Life After Death Test - E. Pensa
• 07/29/17 On The Moon Landing Hoax - Paper by Y. Tsapras - E. Pensa
• 07/28/17 Sectarianism and Dogmatism in Epicureanism? - C. Amicus
• 07/28/17 Post on Man Marrying 23 Times - E. Pensa
• 07/28/17 Epicurean Reactions to Stoic "Mindfulness" - J Hammon
• 07/27/17 Re-Hellenization - Paper by Christos Yapijakis - E. Pensa
• 07/27/17 Re-Hellenization - 10th Panhellenic Meeting of Epicureans - E. Pensa
• 07/26/17 On the Senses and the External World - M. Carteron
• 07/26/17 Deleting negative memories - A. Rios
• 07/26/17 Why Virtue for its own sake is not satisfying - J. Hammon
• 07/26/17 Post on Monoliths from 2001 Space Odyssey - E. Pensa
• 07/22/17 Post on "Atheism Offers No Hope" article - M. Carteron
• 07/25/17 Graphic: Allegory of the Oasis - Nathan Bartman
• 07/25/17 Graphic: Allegory of the Oasis - Nathan Bartman
• 07/09/17 Liantinis On The Problem Of Cultural Illiteracy - Cassius Amicus
• 07/06/17 Brief Review of Liantinis' Gemma- Cassius Amicus
• 07/06/17 When Reality Collides with Philosophy - Cassius Amicus / Steve Koch
• 07/06/17 Review of Haris Dimitriadis' "Epicurus And The Pleasant Life - Cassius Amicus
• 07/06/17 "For there ARE gods..." - Hiram Crespo
• 07/04/17 Evidence For Biological Basis of Need for Society - Alex Rios
• 07/03/17 Thomas Jefferson on Greatest Happiness in Life
• 07/03/17 Video - "Epicurus - Taking Pleasure Seriously" - Luke Slattery
• 07/03/17 When Minimalism Collides With Daily Life - Epicurean Touchpoints
• 07/02/17 In Memory of Horace - Carpe Diem - Hiram Crespo
• 07/01/17 On Epicurean Extremes - Menoeceus Blog
• 06/30/17 Article on Status of Herculaneum Texts - Cassius Amicus
• 06/30/17 Status of 3d Leaping Pig Sculptures - Cassius Amicus
• 06/28/17 Latest News on Greek Ministry of Religion
• 06/27/17 Horace - Miseries of the Wealthy - Hiram Crespo
• 06/26/17 Review of Inhumanity of Religion - Hiram Crespo
• 06/25/17 Comments on Simplify Magazine - Cassius Amicus
• 06/23/17 Horace Letter to the Pisos - Hiram Crespo
• 06/22/17 Philosophical Test - Ed Lee
• 06/22/17 The Liquid In A Jar Analogy - Cassius Amicus
• 06/22/17 On Quackery - Elli Pensa
• 06/22/17 Summary of Epicurean Insight Part 2 - Cassius Amicus
• 06/22/17 Summary of Epicurean Insight Part 1 - Cassius Amicus
• 06/21/17 On Ataraxia - Wayne Watts
• 06/20/17 How the Brain Changes Through Experience - Jason Baker
• 06/20/17 Updates in Epicurean Philosophy - Hiram Crespo
• 06/20/17 "Initial Comments on Haris Dimitriadis' Epicurus and The Pleasant Life"
• 06/201/7 The Constant Gardener - Steve Koch
• 06/17/17 Notice of "Epicurean Theology" Group
• 06/17/17 On Friendship - Hiram Crespo
• 06/14/17 Intro Video to Epicurus and the Pleasant Life
• 06/13/17 Comments on VS 41 - Matt Jackson
• 06/09/17 Revisiting the Epicurean Year Project - Hiram Crespo
• 06/07/17 Clip Re Epicurean Ring Text - Cassius Amicus
• 06/07/17 Photos of Epicurean Busts - Michael Hardy
• 06/07/17 Horace - Everyone Can Profit from Philosophy
• 06/07/17 The Richter Photos of Epicurus - Michael Hardy
• 06/07/17 Richter Photos of Metrodorus, Hermarchus, Colotes - Michael Hardy
• 06/07/17 Richter Photos of Epicurus - Michael Hardy
• 06/07/17 Epicurus and Followers Text From Richter - Michael Hardy
• 06/07/17 Epicurus Ring - Color - Michael Hardy
• 06/07/17 Epicurus Ring in British Museum - Michael Hardy
• 06/07/17 Gem Portraits of Epicurus - Michael Hardy
• 06/04/17 Horace - In Praise of Simple Living - Hiram Crespo
• 06/02/17 Michael Onfray and the Counter-History of Philosophy - Hiram Crespo
• 05/31/17 On Epicurus as a putative Ascetic
• 05/30/17 Analysis of Article Critical of Epicurus On Death - Cassius Amicus
• 05-26-17 Can People Who Don't Feel Pleasure/Pain Have Ethics? - Nathan Bartman
• 05-21-17 Ethics of Inventing Modernity / Greenblatt's Swerve" - Jason Baker
• 05-29-17 Comments on "Politics" by Mark Walker - Mark Walker
• 05-26-17 Memorization of Texts? - Marco Laberge
• 05-21-17 Are We "All God's Children?" - Cassius Amicus
• 05-19-17 The Pauline War On Peace and Safety - Hiram Crespo
• 05-19-17 Better Never To Have Been Born? - Cassius Amicus
• 05-17-17 Comic or Tragic? An Epicurean Cartoon - Cassius Amicus
• 05-09-17 How Do Epicureans Handle Grief And Loss? - Socrates Alexander
• 05-08-17 Narcissism and Ayn Rand - Hiram Crespo
• 05-08-17 Epicurean Response to Nihilism? - Abhinav Kathuria
• 05-07-17 What's Wrong With Asceticism? - Cassius Amicus
• 05-04-17 Major Characteristics of the Epicurean View of Life - Cassius Amicus
• 05-03-17 Eighteen Characteristics of the Epicurean View of Life - Cassius Amicus
• 05-02-17 Should Epicureans Participate In A "Day of Reason"? - Cassius Amicus
• 05-01-17 Horace And "A Hog of Epicurus' Herd" - Cassius Amicus
• 04-30-17 Does Epicurus' Swerve Anticipate Quantum Mechanics? -Michael Howard
• 04-28-17 Meditation As A Part of Epicurean Philosophy? - Sean Sweeny
• 04-18-17 Is the Goal of Life Established by Reason or Feelings? - Tanya Watkins
• 04-18-17 Pursue Only Natural and Necessary Pleasures? - Cassius Amicus
• 04-12-17 Is Ataraxia Our Telos? - Nathan Bartman
• 04-09-17 Is Greed the Cause of Religion? - Mish Taylor
• 04-04-17 A Game Between Epicurus and Plato - Elli Pensa
• 04-06-17 On Happiness and Religious Belief - Matt Jackson
• 04-06-17 Who Will Choose to Seek What He Can Never Find? - Hiram Crespo
• 04-05-17 To What Extent Can A Blind Man Understand Seeing? - Cassius Amicus
• 03-30-17 Friendship and Responsibility - Elli Pensa
• 03-29-17 In Memory of Amrinder Singh - Cassius Amicus
• 03-28-17 A Modern Physics Experiment and the Swerve - Alexander Rios
• 03-27-17 Epicurean Influence in Medicine - Cassius Amicus
• 03-20-17 Live Well, Die Well - Euthanasia - Hiram Crespo
• 03-20-17 On Limits and Perfect Quantities - Cassius Amicus
• 03-17-17 Tending the Garden With The Youth - Hiram Crespo
• 03-17-17 Epicurus vs. Descartes - Nathan Harry Bartman
• 03-16-17 What About People Who Are Happy In Other Philosophies? Marco Laberge
• 03-16-17 Do You See Why Limits Are So Important? - Cassius Amicus
• 03-15-17 Do You See Why "Virtue" Cannot Be An End In Itself? - Cassius Amicus
• 03-14-17 Is Living A "Meaningful" Life An Epicurean Concept? - Ron Warrick
• 03-13-17 Time, Death, and Life - Cassius Amicus
• 03-12-17 Patriotism in Epicurean Philosophy - George Metaxas / Elli Pensa
• 03-11-17 On Cicero's Interpretation of Katastematic Pleasure - Cassius Amicus
• 03-10-17 Various Translations of the Tetrapharmakon - Jason Baker
• 03-10-17 Would Epicurus Say That Epictetus Lived A Pleasant life? - Cassius Amicus
• 03-09-17 Moral Virtue Definitions - Jimmy Daltrey
• 03-09-17 A Chart of Key Greek Terms In Epicurean Philosophy - Elli Pensa
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 1 - Isn't Virtue More Admirable Than Pleasure?
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 2 - Why Would An Epicurean Die For A Friend?
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 3 - Would An Epicurean Help An Enemy?
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 4 - Would You Like A World Filled WIth Epicureans?
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 5 - What About A Matrix/Pleasure Machine?
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 6 - Isn't Pleasure Desirable Because it is Good?
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 7 - Aren't Epicureans Fair-Weather Friends?
• 03-07-17 Stoic Challenges - 8 - Isn't Virtue A Value In And Of Itself?
• 02-21-17 Challenge to The Stoics From An Epicurean Perspective - Cassius Amicus
• 07-30-14 Epicurean Philosophy Facebook - Group Purpose - Elli Pensa
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