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New Graphics: Are You On Team Epicurus? | Comparison Chart: Epicurus vs. Other Philosophies | Chart Of Key Epicurean Quotations 

  • VS58 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 2:01 PM

    VS58. We must free ourselves from the prison of public education and politics.

  • VS57 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 2:00 PM

    VS57. On occasion a man will die for his friend, for if he betrays his friend, his whole life will be confounded by distrust and completely upset.

  • VS32 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:57 PM

    VS32. The veneration of the wise man is a great blessing to those who venerate him.

  • VS12 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:56 PM

    VS12. The just man is most free from disturbance, while the unjust is full of the utmost disturbance. See PD17.

  • VS56 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:54 PM

    VS56. The wise man feels no more pain, when being tortured himself than when his friend is tortured.

  • VS55 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:54 PM

    #VS55. We must heal our misfortunes by the grateful recollection of what has been, and by the recognition that it is impossible to undo that which has been done.


    Note: See the discussion of the background of this issue in Cicero's Tusculan Disputations Part 3, Sections 15-18

  • VS54 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:53 PM

    VS54. We must not pretend to study philosophy, but study it in reality, for it is not the appearance of health that we need, but real health.

  • VS53 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:53 PM

    VS53. We must envy no one, for the good do not deserve envy, and the bad, the more they prosper, the more they injure themselves.

  • VS50 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:52 PM

    VS50. No pleasure is a bad thing in itself, but the things which produce certain pleasures entail disturbances many times greater than the pleasures themselves.

  • VS49 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:52 PM

    VS49. It is impossible for someone to dispel his fears about the most important matters if he does not know the Nature of the universe, but still gives some credence to myths. So, without the study of Nature, there is no enjoyment of pure pleasure.

  • VS48 - Thread Starter

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    • July 5, 2025 at 1:51 PM

    VS48. We must try to make the end of the journey better than the beginning, as long as we are journeying; but when we come to the end, we must be happy and content.

  • VS46 - Thread Starter

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    • July 5, 2025 at 1:50 PM

    VS46. Let us utterly drive from us our bad habits, as if they were evil men who have long done us great harm.

  • VS45 - Thread Starter

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    • July 5, 2025 at 1:50 PM

    VS45. The study of nature does not make men productive of boasting or bragging, nor apt to display that culture which is the object of rivalry with the many, but high-spirited and self-sufficient, taking pride in the good things of their own minds and not of their circumstances.

  • VS44 - Thread Starter

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    • July 5, 2025 at 1:49 PM

    VS44. The wise man, when he has accommodated himself to straits, knows better how to give than to receive, so great is the treasure of self-sufficiency which he has discovered.

  • VS43 - Thread Starter

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    • July 5, 2025 at 1:49 PM

    VS43. The love of money, if unjustly gained, is impious, and, if justly gained, is shameful; for it is unseemly to be parsimonious, even with justice on one’s side.

  • VS40 - Thread Starter

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    • July 5, 2025 at 1:48 PM

    VS40. "The man who says that all things come to pass by necessity cannot criticize one who denies that all things come to pass by necessity: for he admits that this too happens of necessity."

  • VS39 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:47 PM

    VS39. "He is no friend who is continually asking for help, nor he who never associates help with friendship. For the former barters kindly feeling for a practical return, and the latter destroys the hope of good in the future."

  • VS38 - Thread Starter

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:47 PM

    VS38. "He is a little man in all respects who has many good reasons for quitting life."

  • VS37 - Thread Starter For Vatican Saying 37

    • Cassius
    • July 5, 2025 at 1:46 PM

    VS37. Nature is weak toward evil, not toward good: because it is saved by pleasures, but destroyed by pains."

  • Sorites Argument Referenced in Cicero's Academic Questions

    • Cassius
    • July 4, 2025 at 6:17 PM

    On my first readings of DeWitt's references to the sorites ("heap") argument, I did not know whether to think DeWit was being accurate or exaggerating as to its reputation, but I see that Cicero goes on an on in Academic questions about its "viciousness" and therefore presumably its effectiveness in combating dialectical logic.


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    What is there that can be perceived by reason? You say that Dialectics have been discovered, and that that science is, as it were, an arbiter and judge of what is true and false. Of what true and false?—and of true and false on what subject? Will a dialectician be able to judge, in geometry, what is true and false, or in literature, or in music? He knows nothing about those things. In philosophy, then? What is it to him how large the sun is? or what means has he which may enable him to judge what the chief good is? What then will he judge of? Of what combination or disjunction of ideas is accurate,—of what is an ambiguous expression,—of what follows from each fact, or what is inconsistent with it? If the science of dialectics judges of these things, or things like them, it is judging of itself. But it professed more. For to judge of these matters is not sufficient for the resolving of the other numerous and important questions which arise in philosophy. But, since you place so much importance in that art, I would have you to consider whether it was not invented for the express purpose of being used against you. For, at its first opening, it gives an ingenious account of the elements of speaking, and of the manner in which one may come to an understanding of ambiguous expressions, and of the principles of reasoning: then, after a few more things, it comes to the sorites, a very slippery and hazardous topic, and a class of argument which you yourself pronounced to be a vicious one.

    ### XXIX.

    What then, you will say; are we to be blamed for that viciousness? The nature of things has not given us any knowledge of ends, so as to enable us, in any subject whatever, to say how far we can go. Nor is this the case only in respect of the heap of wheat, from which the name is derived, but in no matter whatever where the argument is conducted by minute questions: for instance, if the question be whether a man is rich or poor, illustrious or obscure,—whether things be many or few, great or small, long or short, broad or narrow,—we have no certain answer to give, how much must be added or taken away to make the thing in question either one or the other.

    But the sorites is a vicious sort of argument:—crush it, then, if you can, to prevent its being troublesome; for it will be so, if you do not guard against it. We have guarded against it, says he. For Chrysippus's plan is, when he is interrogated step by step (by way of giving an instance), whether there are three, or few, or many, to rest a little before he comes to the “many;” that is to say, to use their own language, ἡσυχάζειν. Rest and welcome, says Carneades; you may even snore, for all I care. But what good does he do? For one follows who will waken you from sleep, and question you in the same manner:—Take the number, after the mention of which you were silent, and if to that number I add one, will there be many? You will again go on, as long as you think fit. Why need I say more? for you admit this, that you cannot in your answers fix the last number which can be classed as “few,” nor the first, which amounts to “many.” And this kind of uncertainty extends so widely, that I do not see any bounds to its progress.

    Nothing hurts me, says he; for I, like a skilful driver, will rein in my horses before I come to the end, and all the more if the ground which the horses are approaching is precipitous. And thus, too, says he, I will check myself, and not reply any more to one who addresses me with captious questions. If you have a clear answer to make, and refuse to make it, you are giving yourself airs; if you have not, even you yourself do not perceive it. If you stop, because the question is obscure, I admit that it is so; but you say that you do not proceed as far as what is obscure. You stop, then, where the case is still clear. If then all you do is to hold your tongue, you gain nothing by that. For what does it matter to the man who wishes to catch you, whether he entangles you owing to your silence or to your talking? Suppose, for instance, you were to say, without hesitation, that up to the number nine, is “few,” but were to pause at the tenth; then you would be refusing your assent to what is certain and evident, and yet you will not allow me to do the same with respect to subjects which are obscure.

    That art, therefore, does not help you against the sorites; inasmuch as it does not teach a man, who is using either the increasing or diminishing scale, what is the first point, or the last. May I not say that that same art, like Penelope undoing her web, at last undoes all the arguments which have gone before? Is that your fault, or ours? In truth, it is the foundation of dialectics, that whatever is enunciated (and that is what they call ἀξίωμα, which answers to our word effatum,) is either true or false. What, then, is the case? Are these true or false? If you say that you are speaking falsely, and that that is true, you are speaking falsely and telling the truth at the same time. This, forsooth, you say is inexplicable; and that is more odious than our language, when we call things uncomprehended, and not perceived.

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