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    • October 30, 2023 at 4:00 PM
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    During the Archaic period, Greek men wore a long chiton; thereafter, except for charioteers, priests, and the elderly, they wore a knee-length version. Sleeved chitons were worn by actors and priests. Patterns and colours varied with the times and with the status of the wearer.

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    himation, mantle or wrap worn by Greek men and women from the Archaic through the Hellenistic periods (c. 750–30 bce). A very large rectangle of fabric, the himation was draped in different ways—e.g., as a shawl, a cloak, or a head covering—during various periods.

    Usually made of white wool, the version worn by women could be of coloured silk or cotton. A somewhat shorter Greek wrap was known as a chlamys.

    From my reading...It seems that women sometimes wore three layers and men wore one or two layers of fabric.

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    • October 30, 2023 at 7:39 PM
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    I am still mulling over what Epicurus might have worn. Would Epicurus have worn something that conveyed the image of status and wealth? I personally would think that he would have worn something more plain (but perhaps there were festival days in which a finer weave of cloth was worn).

    I found an article "What Did Jesus Wear" which also talks about ancient Greek clothing, and you can see a picture of a sculpture of Demosthenes, which gives some insight into possible clothing of Epicurus.

    And so of course this would have been a little later than Epicurus:

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    Much is now known about clothing in 1st and 2nd century Judaea, because

    many fragments of the tunics worn by people then have been found in caves

    and tombs bordering the Dead Sea, where the dry climate has allowed their

    preservation. For example, picture 6 shows a tunic recovered from the Cave

    of Letters, a burial site near the Dead Sea. From the archaeological remains,

    and from comparable art from Egyptian mummy portraits, Pompeii and

    elsewhere, we can visualise what people wore. It is clear that Judaeans were

    part of the Mediterranean world and dressed much like everyone else.

    An ordinary man in Jesus’ world would wear a short tunic, called a chiton,

    in Greek (in Latin a tunica) and a woman would wear an ankle-length one.

    The long version, the stole, in Greek (or stola in Latin), was understood to

    be women’s clothing, when not worn by high-status men. A higher hemline

    indicated masculine wear.

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    The long, rough mantle of some philosophers (worn without a tunic

    underneath) could be called a tribon – literally a ‘worn thing’, or even a ‘rag’

    – or a peribolaion, a ‘wrap’. Their garment, if a long diploida, a ‘double’ piece

    of cloth, was distinguished by quality from the expensive type of wrap the

    gods would wear. These were generally worn wrapped around the middle

    of the body under the armpits and then slung over the left shoulder, as we

    see in the sculpture of Demosthenes.

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    Regarding the Mediterranean (but not specifically Athens):

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    Colourful clothes, like long garments, were associated with women’s attire.

    ...However, one cannot be too absolute in an association between colour

    and women’s wear. In Pompeian frescoes, both men and women are shown

    with coloured tunics and mantles, even though the men are also dressed in

    white or undyed tunics. Tough guys might choose to eschew colour, but

    it was always a choice, and not a rule. One factor that could easily offset a

    manly preference for undyed or white clothing was the concern to show

    riches and status.

    Clothing found in Masada and the caves by the Dead Sea is often highly

    coloured: bright shades of red, yellow, orange, blue, green, and types of

    purple, including bold, striped cloth for blankets and rugs. In visualising

    clothes in Jesus’ time, these remains ask us to imagine people wearing a

    kaleidoscope of hues. The question then is whether dyed clothes mainly

    belonged to women? Or did these clothes sometimes belong to wealthy

    men who wished to show they could afford expensive dyes,...

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    https://christianevidence.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/What-Did-Jesus-Wear.pdf

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    • October 30, 2023 at 7:58 PM
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    The idealized garb of philosophers among the Greeks was taken from the symbols of Cynicism: a cloak to keep off the elements, a bag or purse to hold all of one's worldly possessions, and a staff for walking. The staff and purse are shown on the Boscoreale treasure's philosophy cup. No cloak was necessary here--all of the figures on the cup are skeletons, underlining the link between philosophy and death.

    But Epicurus was not a Cynic. He also didn't hold forth publicly in the regimented world of the gymnasiarchs. Presumably he wore what was handy, some of it purchased and some, perhaps, gifted.

    Plato's Academy mosaic - Wikipedia
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    This mosaic from Herculaneum is thought to depict Greek philosophers as Romans would have imagined them.

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    • May 30, 2024 at 1:26 PM
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    I am part way through Heroes, the second volume of Stephen Fry's Mythos series, and can heartily recommend them as a good reintroduction to Greek mythology. The audiobooks, read by Fry himself, are especially pleasant. The work is narrative and not scholarly, but the stories are good and the author is passionate about then.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07SLLYGF6?ref_=dbs_m_mng_wam_calw_tkin_0&storeType=ebooks

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    • May 30, 2024 at 2:20 PM
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    For those who want to check which libraries near them have the print book ;)

    Heroes : the Greek myths reimagined | WorldCat.org
    In this continuation of "Mythos," Stephen Fry recounts the stories of the human heroes found in Greek mythology, with illustrations of classical art inspired…
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    How to Make a Ancient Roman Toga | Getty News :)

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    • January 12, 2025 at 11:32 PM
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    This topic came up Wednesday night when we were discussing that there doesn't seem to be a lot of detailed information on our usual core pages about the political situation in Athens during the specific years that Epicurus was alive.

    I do want to recommend Plutarch's Life of Demetrius Poliorcetes (link), which does recount many of the top news stories from 305 to 283 BC, which was during Epikouros' prime. (link for Loeb).

    Staggeringly wealthy celebrity women...

    Worship of a living man as a god in Athens...

    "Soapgate," i.e., Leadership of Athens spending millions of dollars of tax payer money (Silver value: ~$5.7 million. Labor value: ~$300 million) on imported toiletries for a group elite prostitutes...

    Skyscraper war-machines on wheels (10 stories high)...

    etc. and those are just the early years!

    Edited 6 times, last by Bryan (January 12, 2025 at 11:56 PM).

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    • January 13, 2025 at 8:09 AM
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    I presume this is an older edition but looks like there is an Archive.org link here:

    Plutarch's Lives : Plutarch : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
    11v. 17cm
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    Changed the title of the thread from “Ancient Greek/Roman Customs, Culture, History” to “Ancient Greek/Roman Customs, Culture, Clothing, Historical Events”.
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    • March 26, 2025 at 7:58 AM
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    An interesting article: "Ancient Greek and Roman statues often smelled like roses, a new study says":

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    Cecilie Brøns, a senior researcher and curator of the Glyptoteket museum's collection of ancient Greek and Roman art in Copenhagen, Denmark, says ancient texts provide evidence that statues were often scented with perfumes, oils and waxes.

    https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5332367/ancient-greece-rome-statues-smell-study-research

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