1. Home
    1. Start Here: Study Guide
    2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
    3. Terms of Use
    4. Moderator Team
    5. Site Map
    6. Quizzes
    7. Articles
      1. Featured Articles
    8. All Blog Posts
      1. Elli's Blog / Articles
  2. Wiki
    1. Wiki Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Classical Epicureanism
    4. Files
    5. Search Assistance
    6. Not NeoEpicurean
    7. Foundations
    8. Navigation Outlines
    9. Key Pages
  3. Forum
    1. Full Forum List
    2. Welcome Threads
    3. Physics
    4. Canonics
    5. Ethics
    6. Uncategorized Forum
    7. Study Resources Forum
    8. Ancient Texts Forum
    9. Shortcuts
    10. Featured
    11. Most Discussed
  4. Latest
    1. New Activity
    2. Latest Threads
    3. Dashboard
    4. Search By Tag
    5. Complete Tag List
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Diogenes Laertius
    3. Principal Doctrines
    4. Vatican Collection
    5. Lucretius
    6. Herodotus
    7. Pythocles
    8. Menoeceus
    9. Fragments - Usener Collection
    10. Torquatus On Ethics
    11. Velleius On Gods
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured images
    2. Albums
    3. Latest Images
    4. Latest Comments
  8. Calendar
    1. Upcoming Events List
    2. Zoom Meetings
    3. This Month
    4. Sunday Zoom Meetings
    5. First Monday Zoom Meetings
    6. Wednesday Zoom Meeting
    7. Twentieth Zoom Meetings
    8. Zoom Meetings
  9. Other
    1. Featured Content
    2. Blog Posts
    3. Logbook
    4. EF ToDo List
    5. Link-Database
  • Login
  • Register
  • Search
This Thread
  • Everywhere
  • This Thread
  • This Forum
  • Forum
  • Articles
  • Blog Articles
  • Files
  • Gallery
  • Events
  • Pages
  • Wiki
  • Help
  • FAQ
  • More Options

Welcome To EpicureanFriends.com!

"Remember that you are mortal, and you have a limited time to live, and in devoting yourself to discussion of the nature of time and eternity you have seen things that have been, are now, and are to come."

Sign In Now
or
Register a new account
  1. Home
    1. Start Here: Study Guide
    2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
    3. Terms of Use
    4. Moderator Team
    5. Site Map
    6. Quizzes
    7. Articles
      1. Featured Articles
    8. All Blog Posts
      1. Elli's Blog / Articles
  2. Wiki
    1. Wiki Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Classical Epicureanism
    4. Files
    5. Search Assistance
    6. Not NeoEpicurean
    7. Foundations
    8. Navigation Outlines
    9. Key Pages
  3. Forum
    1. Full Forum List
    2. Welcome Threads
    3. Physics
    4. Canonics
    5. Ethics
    6. Uncategorized Forum
    7. Study Resources Forum
    8. Ancient Texts Forum
    9. Shortcuts
    10. Featured
    11. Most Discussed
  4. Latest
    1. New Activity
    2. Latest Threads
    3. Dashboard
    4. Search By Tag
    5. Complete Tag List
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Diogenes Laertius
    3. Principal Doctrines
    4. Vatican Collection
    5. Lucretius
    6. Herodotus
    7. Pythocles
    8. Menoeceus
    9. Fragments - Usener Collection
    10. Torquatus On Ethics
    11. Velleius On Gods
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured images
    2. Albums
    3. Latest Images
    4. Latest Comments
  8. Calendar
    1. Upcoming Events List
    2. Zoom Meetings
    3. This Month
    4. Sunday Zoom Meetings
    5. First Monday Zoom Meetings
    6. Wednesday Zoom Meeting
    7. Twentieth Zoom Meetings
    8. Zoom Meetings
  9. Other
    1. Featured Content
    2. Blog Posts
    3. Logbook
    4. EF ToDo List
    5. Link-Database
  1. Home
    1. Start Here: Study Guide
    2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
    3. Terms of Use
    4. Moderator Team
    5. Site Map
    6. Quizzes
    7. Articles
      1. Featured Articles
    8. All Blog Posts
      1. Elli's Blog / Articles
  2. Wiki
    1. Wiki Home
    2. FAQ
    3. Classical Epicureanism
    4. Files
    5. Search Assistance
    6. Not NeoEpicurean
    7. Foundations
    8. Navigation Outlines
    9. Key Pages
  3. Forum
    1. Full Forum List
    2. Welcome Threads
    3. Physics
    4. Canonics
    5. Ethics
    6. Uncategorized Forum
    7. Study Resources Forum
    8. Ancient Texts Forum
    9. Shortcuts
    10. Featured
    11. Most Discussed
  4. Latest
    1. New Activity
    2. Latest Threads
    3. Dashboard
    4. Search By Tag
    5. Complete Tag List
  5. Podcast
    1. Lucretius Today Podcast
    2. Episode Guide
    3. Lucretius Today At Youtube
    4. EpicureanFriends Youtube Page
  6. Texts
    1. Overview
    2. Diogenes Laertius
    3. Principal Doctrines
    4. Vatican Collection
    5. Lucretius
    6. Herodotus
    7. Pythocles
    8. Menoeceus
    9. Fragments - Usener Collection
    10. Torquatus On Ethics
    11. Velleius On Gods
    12. Greek/Latin Help
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured images
    2. Albums
    3. Latest Images
    4. Latest Comments
  8. Calendar
    1. Upcoming Events List
    2. Zoom Meetings
    3. This Month
    4. Sunday Zoom Meetings
    5. First Monday Zoom Meetings
    6. Wednesday Zoom Meeting
    7. Twentieth Zoom Meetings
    8. Zoom Meetings
  9. Other
    1. Featured Content
    2. Blog Posts
    3. Logbook
    4. EF ToDo List
    5. Link-Database
  1. EpicureanFriends - Home of Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  2. Forum
  3. Welcome Threads, Forum Rules, Announcements
  4. News And Forum Updates
  • Sidebar
  • Sidebar

"Hero" Headers in The EpicureanFriends.com " Hero Box" on the Home Page of the Website

  • Cassius
  • May 19, 2022 at 8:20 AM
  • Go to last post

We are now requiring that new registrants confirm their request for an account by email.  Once you complete the "Sign Up" process to set up your user name and password, please send an email to the New Accounts Administator to obtain new account approval.

Regularly Checking In On A Small Screen Device? Bookmark THIS page!
  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • April 14, 2023 at 5:00 PM
    • #21

    Started April 14, 2023:

    Destiny, which some introduce as sovereign over all things, he [the wise man] laughs to scorn, affirming rather that some things happen of necessity, others by chance, others through our own agency. For he sees that necessity destroys responsibility and that chance or fortune is inconstant; whereas our own actions are free, and it is to them that praise and blame naturally attach. It were better, indeed, to accept the legends of the gods than to bow beneath that yoke of destiny which the natural philosophers have imposed. ... He believes that the misfortune of the wise is better than the prosperity of the fool. It is better, in short, that what is well judged in action should not owe its successful issue to the aid of chance. - Epicurus Letter to Menoeceus (Hicks translation)

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • May 31, 2023 at 3:44 PM
    • #22

    Added May 31, 2023:

    Cicero: Who can fail to see that there are in the nature of things these three states: one when we are in pleasure, another when we are in pain, the the third, the state in which I am now, and I suppose you too, when we are neither in pain nor in pleasure? ... Do you not see that between these extremes lies a great crowd of men who feel neither delight nor sorrow?" Torquatus: "Not at all, and I affirm that all who are without pain are in pleasure, and in that the fullest possible!" - Cicero;'s On Ends, Book 2 (V)16

    3773-pasted-from-clipboard-png

    3774-pasted-from-clipboard-png

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • September 3, 2023 at 9:10 PM
    • #23

    Started 090323:

    And when the question is asked, as it often is, why Epicureans are so numerous, I answer that there are no doubt other motives, but the motive which especially fascinates the crowd is this; they believe their chief to declare that all upright and honorable actions are in themselves productive of delight, or rather pleasure. Cicero, On Ends, Book One VII:25

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • September 6, 2023 at 1:56 PM
    • #24

    Started September 6, 2023:

    Quisquis enim sentit quemadmodum sit affectus, eum necesse est aut in voluptate esse aut in dolore.

    [A]ny one who is conscious of his own condition must needs be either in a state of pleasure or in a state of pain.

    - Torquatus in Cicero's "On Ends" Book One XI:38 (Reid)


    Quisquis enim sentit quemadmodum sit affectus,
    quisquiswhoever; every one who; whoever it be; everyone; each
    sentio, sentire, sensi, sensusperceive, feel, experience; think, realize, see, understand
    quemadmodumin what way, how; as, just as; to the extent that
    afficio, afficere, affeci, affectusaffect, make impression; move, influence; cause, afflict, weaken
    eum necesse est aut in voluptate esse aut in dolore
    necesse, undeclinednecessary, essential; unavoidable, compulsory, inevitable; a natural law; true
    voluptas, voluptatis Fpleasure, delight, enjoyment
    dolor, doloris M pain, anguish, grief, sorrow, suffering; resentment, indignation
  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • September 24, 2023 at 9:09 AM
    • #25

    Started 9/24/23:

    Torquatus laughed. Come, that is a good joke," he said, "that the author of the doctrine that pleasure is the End of things desirable, the final and ultimate Good, should actually not know what manner of thing pleasure itself is.!" " Well," I [Cicero] replied, either Epicurus does not know what pleasure is, or the rest of mankind all the world over do not."

    - Torquatus in Cicero's "On Ends" Book Two III:1 (Rackham)

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • October 3, 2023 at 2:48 AM
    • #26

    Started October 3, 2023:


    ...[A]nything which is cut off from the state of pain is in the state of pleasure. (Reid)

    ...[T]o be without pain is to be in a state of pleasure. (Rackham)

    ...[W]hatever is free from pain is in pleasure. (Yonge)

    ...[Q]uia quod dolore caret id in voluptate est. (Torquatus/Cicero - Book One XI - 39)

    quia quod dolore caret id in voluptate est
    dolor, doloris Mpain, anguish, grief, sorrow, suffering; resentment, indignation
    careo, carere, carui, caritusbe without/absent from/devoid of/free from; miss; abstain from, lack, lose
    voluptas, voluptatis F pleasure, delight, enjoyment
  • Cassius October 15, 2023 at 6:57 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “"Headers" in The EpicureanFriends.com " Hero Box " on Page One of the Website” to “"Hero" Headers in The EpicureanFriends.com " Hero Box" on the Home Page of the Website”.
  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • October 15, 2023 at 6:58 PM
    • #27

    Cicero: "...[B]ut unless you are extraordinarily obstinate you are bound to admit that 'freedom from pain' does not mean the same thing as 'pleasure.'"

    Torquatus: "Well but on this point you will find me obstinate, for it is as true as any proposition can be."

    ...

    Cicero: Still, granting that there is nothing better (that point I waive for the moment), surely it does not therefore follow that what I may call the negation of pain is the same thing as pleasure?"

    Torquatus: "Absolutely the same, indeed the negation of pain is a very intense pleasure, the most intense pleasure possible."

    CIcero - "On Ends" Book 2:iii:9 and 2:iii:11 (Rackham)

  • Online
    Cassius
    05 - Administrator
    Points
    106,976
    Posts
    14,692
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    100.0 %
    • December 23, 2023 at 2:03 PM
    • #28

    Started 12/23/23 ---

    Remember that you are mortal, and you have a limited time to live, and in devoting yourself to discussion of the nature of time and eternity you have seen things that have been, are now, and are to come. Vatican Saying 10 (paraphrased, sometimes attributed to Metrodorus)

  • Don
    ΕΠΙΚΟΥΡΕΙΟΣ (Epicurist)
    Points
    41,345
    Posts
    5,760
    Quizzes
    9
    Quiz rate
    92.8 %
    • December 23, 2023 at 3:08 PM
    • #29
    Quote from Cassius

    sometimes attributed to Metrodorus

    FYI

    Thread

    VS10 - Source of VS10 in Manuscripts

    Bailey attributes VS10 to Metrodorus, corroborated with the fragments of Metrodorus...

    epicureanfriends.com/wcf/attachment/3866/

    https://archive.org/details/metrod…7/mode/1up?q=10

    The note seems to say: "Dueningius did not correctly infer from this passage that the book "Pros Menestraton" was written by Metrodorus, the sentence was drawn from a letter." And it must be the letter cited from Clement of Alexandria where the fragment includes addressing "Μενεστρατε Menestraton…
    Don
    July 6, 2023 at 8:50 AM

Unread Threads

    1. Title
    2. Replies
    3. Last Reply
    1. Studies on Epicurus' Influence on Marx 14

      • Love 1
      • Titus
      • May 11, 2020 at 1:35 PM
      • Comparing Epicurus With Other Philosophers - General Discussion
      • Titus
      • October 21, 2025 at 9:33 AM
    2. Replies
      14
      Views
      9.3k
      14
    3. DaveT

      October 21, 2025 at 9:33 AM
    1. The Nature of the Mind, the Spirit, and Death 1

      • Like 3
      • Kalosyni
      • March 11, 2024 at 9:27 AM
      • Book 3
      • Kalosyni
      • October 19, 2025 at 4:55 PM
    2. Replies
      1
      Views
      2.4k
      1
    3. Kalosyni

      October 19, 2025 at 4:55 PM
    1. What Are Some Epicurean Tips to Deal With Anxiety Over Painful Scenarios? 4

      • Thanks 1
      • SillyApe
      • October 18, 2025 at 11:52 AM
      • Uncategorized Discussion (General)
      • SillyApe
      • October 19, 2025 at 1:01 PM
    2. Replies
      4
      Views
      599
      4
    3. SillyApe

      October 19, 2025 at 1:01 PM
    1. New Youtube Video - "Epicurus Responding to His Haters" - October 2025 4

      • Like 2
      • Cassius
      • October 5, 2025 at 3:55 PM
      • Uncategorized Discussion (General)
      • Cassius
      • October 17, 2025 at 10:39 AM
    2. Replies
      4
      Views
      1.3k
      4
    3. Cassius

      October 17, 2025 at 10:39 AM
    1. Preparing A Public Domain Audio And Text Version Lucretius In Modern American English 4

      • Cassius
      • October 16, 2025 at 2:42 PM
      • General Discussion of "On The Nature of Things"
      • Cassius
      • October 16, 2025 at 3:24 PM
    2. Replies
      4
      Views
      614
      4
    3. Cassius

      October 16, 2025 at 3:24 PM

Finding Things At EpicureanFriends.com

What's the best strategy for finding things on EpicureanFriends.com? Here's a suggested search strategy:

  • First, familiarize yourself with the list of forums. The best way to find threads related to a particular topic is to look in the relevant forum. Over the years most people have tried to start threads according to forum topic, and we regularly move threads from our "general discussion" area over to forums with more descriptive titles.
  • Use the "Search" facility at the top right of every page. Note that the search box asks you what section of the forum you'd like to search. If you don't know, select "Everywhere." Also check the "Search Assistance" page.
  • Use the "Tag" facility, starting with the "Key Tags By Topic" in the right hand navigation pane, or using the "Search By Tag" page, or the "Tag Overview" page which contains a list of all tags alphabetically. We curate the available tags to keep them to a manageable number that is descriptive of frequently-searched topics.

Resources

  1. Getting Started At EpicureanFriends
  2. Community Standards And Posting Policies
  3. The Major Doctrines of Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  4. Introductory Videos
  5. Wiki
  6. Lucretius Today Podcast
    1. Podcast Episode Guide
  7. Key Epicurean Texts
    1. Side-By-Side Diogenes Laertius X (Bio And All Key Writings of Epicurus)
    2. Side-By-Side Lucretius - On The Nature Of Things
    3. Side-By-Side Torquatus On Ethics
    4. Side-By-Side Velleius on Divinity
    5. Lucretius Topical Outline
    6. Fragment Collection
  8. Frequently Asked Questions
    1. FAQ Discussions
  9. Full List of Forums
    1. Physics Discussions
    2. Canonics Discussions
    3. Ethics Discussions
    4. All Recent Forum Activities
  10. Image Gallery
  11. Featured Articles
  12. Featured Blog Posts
  13. Quiz Section
  14. Activities Calendar
  15. Special Resource Pages
  16. File Database
  17. Site Map
    1. Home

Frequently Used Forums

  • Frequently Asked / Introductory Questions
  • News And Announcements
  • Lucretius Today Podcast
  • Physics (The Nature of the Universe)
  • Canonics (The Tests Of Truth)
  • Ethics (How To Live)
  • Against Determinism
  • Against Skepticism
  • The "Meaning of Life" Question
  • Uncategorized Discussion
  • Comparisons With Other Philosophies
  • Historical Figures
  • Ancient Texts
  • Decline of The Ancient Epicurean Age
  • Unsolved Questions of Epicurean History
  • Welcome New Participants
  • Events - Activism - Outreach
  • Full Forum List

Latest Posts

  • November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET)

    wbernys October 30, 2025 at 11:32 AM
  • Welcome AthenianGarden!

    Kalosyni October 30, 2025 at 11:12 AM
  • Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video

    Cassius October 29, 2025 at 7:17 PM
  • Side By Side Velleius Explaining Epicurus' Position On The True Nature of Divinity

    Cassius October 28, 2025 at 4:52 PM
  • Torquatus - In Defense of Epicurus - New Home Page Video

    Cassius October 28, 2025 at 11:24 AM
  • Happy Birthday General Thread

    Cassius October 28, 2025 at 4:06 AM
  • On The Importance of Understanding The Nature of Things And Canonics To Ethics (A Post By Elli At Facebook)

    Patrikios October 27, 2025 at 4:46 PM
  • Welcome MarkJW

    Patrikios October 27, 2025 at 4:30 PM
  • Epicurean Group Cohesion - Comprehension and Implementation of the Philosophy

    Kalosyni October 27, 2025 at 4:27 PM
  • Side By Side Torquatus Defense of Epicurus

    Cassius October 27, 2025 at 2:40 PM

Frequently Used Tags

In addition to posting in the appropriate forums, participants are encouraged to reference the following tags in their posts:

  • #Physics
    • #Atomism
    • #Gods
    • #Images
    • #Infinity
    • #Eternity
    • #Life
    • #Death
  • #Canonics
    • #Knowledge
    • #Scepticism
  • #Ethics

    • #Pleasure
    • #Pain
    • #Engagement
    • #EpicureanLiving
    • #Happiness
    • #Virtue
      • #Wisdom
      • #Temperance
      • #Courage
      • #Justice
      • #Honesty
      • #Faith (Confidence)
      • #Suavity
      • #Consideration
      • #Hope
      • #Gratitude
      • #Friendship



Click Here To Search All Tags

To Suggest Additions To This List Click Here

EpicureanFriends - Classical Epicurean Philosophy

  1. Home
    1. About Us
    2. Classical Epicurean Philosophy
  2. Wiki
    1. Getting Started
  3. Frequently Asked Questions
    1. Site Map
  4. Forum
    1. Latest Threads
    2. Featured Threads
    3. Unread Posts
  5. Texts
    1. Core Texts
    2. Biography of Epicurus
    3. Lucretius
  6. Articles
    1. Latest Articles
  7. Gallery
    1. Featured Images
  8. Calendar
    1. This Month At EpicureanFriends
Powered by WoltLab Suite™ 6.0.22
Style: Inspire by cls-design
Stylename
Inspire
Manufacturer
cls-design
Licence
Commercial styles
Help
Supportforum
Visit cls-design