The Term "Pleasure" Means The Same As "Absence of Pain," And Includes All Experience Which Is Not Painful Not Painful

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2. Key Citations - Pleasure Is Present When Pain Is Absent
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2. A model of painlessness / aponia consistent with Lucretius' "vessel" analogy and references to the fullness of pleasure
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2. Discussion of the Article - Too Long UnPraised And UnAppreciated - Aulus Gellius And The Clearest Ancient Testimony That Absence of Pain Equals Pleasure 2
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2. Discussion of Blog Article: "Living For Pleasure, Or Dying For Relief From Pain?" 3
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2. The Absence of Sin 10
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2. The "Lacking Nothing Of Their Natural Severity" Reference in the Letter to Idomeneus 3
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2. Why Do We Consider The Absence of Pain To Be Pleasure? 18
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2. The Meaning of the Greek Word "Ataraxia" 3
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2. The Meaning of the Greek Word "Eudaemonia" 1
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2. Another Exchange on Ataraxia 1
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2. Pleasure, absence of pain and PD03 2
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2. Slider models of pleasure vs. pain 9
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2. Odyssey's example of a drug for mental pains 13
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2. Every Instance of "Ataraxia," "Eudaemonia," and "Tranquilatas" in a Core Epicurean Text 2
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2. Why Tranquility Should Not Be the Main Goal for an Epicurean 52
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2. An Unfortunate Article Suggesting That Katastematic Pleasure is "Necessary" and Kinetic Pleasure is "Unnecessary" 5
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2. Discussion of Article "Challenging Ataraxia" by Haris Dimitriadis 6
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2. The Problem of Leaving "Ataraxia" Untranslated 1
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2. An Exchange with Haris Dimitriadis on Pleasure vs Ataraxia 3
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2. Reducing "Tranquilism" to its Absurd Conclusion 6
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2. Tranquility v Pleasure 24
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2. More Thoughts On Removal of Pain And The Letter to Menoeceus
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2. Ataraxia: Tranquility at the End 3
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2. An Exchange On The Use of Logic To Argue The "Absence of Pain" Issue
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2. Karl Popper and the question: Is it worse to suffer pain than it is good to experience pleasure?
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2. A Graphical Representation of Two Versions of "Absence of Pain" 1
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2. Another Formulation of The "Absence of Pain" Issue, This One in Response to Elevic 1
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2. Comments on "What Epicurus Can Teach Us About Freedom and Happiness"
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  - January 7, 2018 at 7:19 AM
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2. "Absence of Pain" Discussion in Cicero's Criticism of Epciurus in On Ends
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2. Gorgias - The Leaky Cask Hypothetical
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Discussion of the Article - Too Long UnPraised And UnAppreciated - Aulus Gellius And The Clearest Ancient Testimony That Absence of Pain Equals Pleasure 2

Discussion of Blog Article: "Living For Pleasure, Or Dying For Relief From Pain?" 3

The Absence of Sin 10

The "Lacking Nothing Of Their Natural Severity" Reference in the Letter to Idomeneus 3

Why Do We Consider The Absence of Pain To Be Pleasure? 18

The Meaning of the Greek Word "Ataraxia" 3

The Meaning of the Greek Word "Eudaemonia" 1

Another Exchange on Ataraxia 1

Pleasure, absence of pain and PD03 2

Slider models of pleasure vs. pain 9

Odyssey's example of a drug for mental pains 13

Every Instance of "Ataraxia," "Eudaemonia," and "Tranquilatas" in a Core Epicurean Text 2

Why Tranquility Should Not Be the Main Goal for an Epicurean 52

An Unfortunate Article Suggesting That Katastematic Pleasure is "Necessary" and Kinetic Pleasure is "Unnecessary" 5

Discussion of Article "Challenging Ataraxia" by Haris Dimitriadis 6

The Problem of Leaving "Ataraxia" Untranslated 1

An Exchange with Haris Dimitriadis on Pleasure vs Ataraxia 3

Reducing "Tranquilism" to its Absurd Conclusion 6

Tranquility v Pleasure 24

Ataraxia: Tranquility at the End 3

A Graphical Representation of Two Versions of "Absence of Pain" 1

Another Formulation of The "Absence of Pain" Issue, This One in Response to Elevic 1

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