Stoic: Hero who embraces every problem / challenge.
And why do they embrace every problem or challenge?
Because it gives them pleasure to do so (not that they would admit it, of course)
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very digestible.
Or "very pleasant smelling" to stay with the theme
Very interesting. It's looks like her work also includes research on the brain and mindfulness as well as the effect of emotion. Definitely want to explore.
It's like like it might be possible to run the you tube transcript through Google translate. Not the best option, but I'll explore later (unless
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Welcome to the Garden, Matteng
I'll try and address a couple of your questions:
if Pleasure involves personal values besides the "pure bodily" pleasures.
Pleasure includes both pleasure felt in the body and pleasure felt in the mind, although that's a little misleading in that all pleasure in some sense is both in the mind and body. We need both a body and mind too experience pleasure.
I see virtue as a means to fulfill these values which give me pleasure (maybe thats the answer, a wide interpratation of pleasure ? )
The virtues (ex. justice, morality, courage, etc.) are *only* means to leading a pleasurable life. They have no value - other than that - in and off themselves. There is no such thing as "virtue for virtue's sake" in Epicurus's philosophy. The virtues do not fulfill any other purpose than as a means to a pleasurable life.
-I am not addicted to something/someone
-value friends/familiy, progress in society,
-have compassiong for humans and animals
-love to learn new things and philosophy (like Epicurus), learning about nature, value/ like to improve abilities
If those activities provide you a sense of pleasure, that's one track then. Preface each of them with "I take pleasure in..." and see how that sounds to you.
I'll stop there and see what others may add.
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Oh, and, of course, Eikadistes 's PD compilation *again* (I'll be bringing that up everytime a PD discussion comes up
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Take a look at this one too:
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I may have to join in on this one in lieu of the 20th. Hmmm. I have some definite thoughts on PD10 and Menoikeus 131. I'll register at Eventbrite just in case I'm able to attend.
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At first glance those definitions would seem to be "positive" in the sense of "reveal" rather than hinting at illusions or error.
Or things revealed to the senses.
That's also the Greek word related to English phenomenon.
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I'm looking forward to digging into this at some point. For now, several of those instances appear (no pun intended, honestly) to connect to φαίνω:
Henry George Liddell, Robert Scott, A Greek-English Lexicon, φαίνω
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Stallings was my first full read through.
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LOL!
Well, okay... As long as you don't have any strong feelings....I'm going to have to try to weave daedel into casual conversation this coming week.
PS. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dae…0About%20daedal
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Did you want to link to Perseus (Leonard)?
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just updating the thread with the current graphic
That.
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Nature's God: The Heretical Origins of the American Republic by Matthew Stewart. It is a dense read, but very informative, and I recommend it.
Added to my Good Reads "Want to read" list! Thanks!
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Right! Supplemental home study is the main thing I was thinking about,
That's what I suspected. Nonetheless, figured I'd go off on homeschooling.
to some extent we do make lots of choices for our children
Fully agree! When it comes to some choices we make, it's best to make it as organic as possible though. Let the children be participants instead of captives. Make the pedagogy experiential and interactive instead of the "sage on the stage."
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Can never go wrong to bring up Eikadistes 's masterful compilation of the PDs:
KURIAI DOXAI, a Compilation of Translations by Nathan H. Bartman (2021)
This compilation contains 150 years worth of English translations of the "Key Doctrines" of Epicurus.
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An Epicurean "home schooling curriculum" for young people (or for any age
) would be highly desirable and ought to be a long term goalHmm... I'm gonna have to push back on Cassius's comment a little there. I'm skeptical of homeschooling of any ilk. I'm sure some parents who do homeschooling can do a satisfactory job, but it always struck me as insular and isolating. School is both educational as well as social. I'm not going to sugarcoat the school experience, especially in adolescence it can be hard! But my entire family are products of a public education. We turned out okay (I think).
And Epicurus did rail against the indoctrination of his day, παιδεία. But he also taught in the Garden. No doubt to groups and individuals.
But education doesn't *stop* with formal instruction. Parents do need to be involved with their children. Encourage creativity and curiosity. Foster what brings the children pleasure. Take pleasure in seeing your children experiencing fun.
Parenting is HARD. There are times where it is a pain! But, to me, this is a classic example of experiencing pain for future pleasure. Seeing one's children grow to curious, kind adults is a pleasure.
But to wind back to Cassius, I could see a "Sunday School" curriculum being helpful. Some kind of supplemental home study. But it shouldn't necessarily be imposed on one's children. It should ideally be organic. Get them out into nature. Encourage them to use their senses. Explore! Get them to ask questions. Find evidence-based material answers. Make it fun! Make it pleasurable!
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. I sort of think some of the teachings of Jesus have been stolen and changed to fit the magical and idealist thinking of religion,
Are you familiar with Thomas Jefferson's Bible editing?
Jefferson Bible - Wikipediaen.wikipedia.org -
I personally was not aware of (or had forgotten) Farrington. A number of his books are on Internet Archive:
Finding Things At EpicureanFriends.com
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