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PD01 - Best Translaton Of PDO1 To Feature At EpicureanFriends?

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    • June 14, 2025 at 11:23 AM
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    And PD01 seems to force one to use inductive reasoning, don't you think?

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    • June 14, 2025 at 2:31 PM
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    I think it can go a couple different ways. From the human, mortal perspective, if one cultivates and ingrains The Four principles along with an on-going study of the philosophy, one can be a blessed one, makarios (remember the same Greek word used in the Beatitudes), whose understanding of the nature of things is incorruptible.

    That's one way an interpretation could go of PD01.

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    • June 14, 2025 at 2:44 PM
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    I agree Don, I think both blessedness (i.e., contentment) and indestructibility are necessary qualities of gods. These qualities serve as examples for us -- but our limits in both regards are fully acknowledged, per Philódēmos:

    "…the intimacy arising from necessities, in regards to association, gives the emotions over to [that intimacy]: for maintaining intimacy, while existing [together], is not possible without any mixture [of emotions]. Indeed, certainly for us, who are weak and have further need for the necessary things of friendship…"

    …χρειωδῶν ἡ συμφυλία π[ρὸς τὴν] συνανα[σ]τροφὴν αὐτῆι τὰ πάθη παρ[αδί]δωσιν. οὐ γὰρ δυνατὸν ἔχειν τὴν συμφυλίαν ἄνε[υ] πάσης ἐπιμειξίας ὄντας. ἀμέλει δὲ κ(αὶ) ἐφ' ἡ̣μῶν τῶν ἀ̣σθενῶν κ(αὶ) πρ(οσ)δεγομένων πρ[ὸς τ]ὰ [χρ]ε̣ι̣ώδη τ[ῆς] φιλίας
    Philodemus, On The Gods, Book 3, P.Herc. 152, fr. 9 (87)

    Philódēmos directly connects human weakness with our need for friendship. While discussing the importance of mutual friendship / intimacy (ἡ συμφυλία) he says that generosity is necessary.

  • Cassius July 5, 2025 at 4:43 PM

    Moved the thread from forum PD 01 - The blessed and immortal nature knows no trouble itself ... to forum Epicurus - Principal Doctrines.
  • Cassius July 5, 2025 at 5:09 PM

    Changed the title of the thread from “Best Translaton Of PDO1 To Feature At EpicureanFriends?” to “PD01 - Best Translaton Of PDO1 To Feature At EpicureanFriends?”.

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