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    • June 3, 2022 at 9:03 AM
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    This thread is for Epicureans in ancient Greece and Rome, focusing on historical events, culture, clothing, and lifestyle (Edit note: 02/21/25 - moved earlier posts into this new thread).

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    I found this book "The Invention and Gendering of Epicurus" (when Googling "Epicureans and effeminancy") which looks like it could shed some light on the culture of Epicureans. Though tracking down a library copy might be a bit difficult, unless anyone lives near a good university library.

    The Invention and Gendering of Epicurus
    The school of Greek philosopher Epicurus, which became known as the Garden, famously put great stock in happiness and pleasure. As a philosophical community,…
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    The school of Greek philosopher Epicurus, which became known as the Garden, famously put great stock in happiness and pleasure. As a philosophical community, and a way of seeing the world, Epicureanism had a centuries-long life in Athens and Rome, as well as across the Mediterranean.

    The Invention and Gendering of Epicurus studies how the Garden's outlook on pleasure captured Greek and Roman imaginations—particularly among non-Epicureans—for generations after its legendary founding. Unsympathetic sources from disparate eras generally focus not on historic personages but on the symbolic Epicurean. And yet the traditions of this imagined Garden, with its disreputable women and unmanly men, give us intermittent glimpses of historical Epicureans and their conceptions of the Epicurean life.

    Pamela Gordon suggests how a close hearing and contextualization of anti-Epicurean discourse leads us to a better understanding of the cultural history of Epicureanism. Her primary focus is on sources hostile to the Garden, but her Epicurean-friendly perspective is apparent throughout. Her engagement with ancient anti-Epicurean texts makes more palpable their impact on modern responses to the Garden.

    Intended both for students and for scholars of Epicureanism and its response, the volume is organized primarily according to the themes common among Epicurus' detractors. It considers the place of women in Epicurean circles, as well as the role of Epicurean philosophy in Homer and other writers.

    Pamela Gordon is Chair of the Department of Classics at the University of Kansas and the author of Epicurus in Lycia: The Second-Century World of Diogenes of Oenoanda.

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    • June 5, 2022 at 3:06 PM
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    Ancient Greek clothing / Ancient Roman clothing, if anyone is interested.

    An idea -- that it could be fun at some point to dress up for the 20th celebration, as a way to make it more festive. And I could help anyone with getting their costume together.

    For ancient Greek clothing:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clothing_in_ancient_Greece

    Basic Greek Clothing (male) – The Hoplite Association
    Bringing The Ancient Greek World To Life
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    Basic Greek Clothing (female) – The Hoplite Association
    Bringing The Ancient Greek World To Life
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    And for ancient Roman clothing:

    Clothing in ancient Rome - Wikipedia
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    • July 8, 2022 at 2:19 PM
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    Here is some info on the history of Ancient Athens during the time that Epicurus was alive.

    Wikipedia says Epicurus lived 341-270BC. Diogenes Laertius says 341-271BC.

    The following short section is from Wikipedia:

    Hellenistic Athens

    Further information: Hellenistic Greece, Lamian War, Phocion, Demetrius of Phalerum, Chremonidean War, Second Macedonian War, First Mithridatic War, Lycurgus of Athens, Antigonid dynasty, and Seleucid Empire

    Shortly after the death of Alexander the Great, Antipater and Craterus became joint generals of Greece and Macedonia.[21] Athens joined Aetolia and Thessaly in facing their power, known as the Lamian War.[22] Craterus fell in a battle against Eumenes in 320 BC,[23] leaving Antipater alone to rule for a year, till his death in 319 BC.[24] Athens had a central role in the struggle for his succession, when Antipater's son, Cassander, secured the Piraeus leaving Athens without a source of supplies,[21] to contest Antipeter's successor, Polyperchon. To consolidate power against Cassander, Polyperchon restored Athens's democracy, as it was before the Lamian War. However, after losing the fleet one year prior, Polyperchon had to flee Macedon when in 316 BC Cassander secured control of Athens. Cassander appointed Demetrius of Phalerum as head of the administration of Athens. Demetrius remained in power until 307 BC when Cassander's enemy, Demetrius Poliorcetes captured Athens,[25] and Macedon, ending the short-lived Antipatrid dynasty and installing his own.

    Athens and the rise of the Roman empire

    After the Pyrrhic War (280–275 BC) Rome asserted its hegemony over Magna Grecia and became increasingly involved in Greece and the Balkans peninsula.

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    • July 8, 2022 at 4:14 PM
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    Thank you Kalosyni. This topic came up Wednesday night when we were discussing that there doesn't seem to be a lot of detailed information on our usual core pages about the political situation in Athens during the specific years that Epicurus was alive.

    Knowing what was going on specifically during his life, rather than loosely and generally as we tend to talk about it, would probably be helpful.

    At some point we need some enterprising person to pick up the challenge and write an article about what we know specifically about the years during which Epicurus was "flourishing" (to borrow the standard Aristotelian term). Kalosyni's links give us a start!

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    • July 21, 2022 at 5:28 AM
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    I thought this was an interesting read, about the differences between Greek and Roman clothing:

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    “Now wait a minute,” you might say. “How is the enkyklon different from a toga?” After all, a flat bedsheet is the fabric of choice for many attending toga parties in movies. The primary difference between togas and enkykla lies in the shape. While enkykla were rectangular, togas were semicircular, which is what gave them the wonderful drape and folds you can see on the stone versions worn by ancient statues.

    The Truth About Togas
    To many people, togas are synonymous with ancient Greece. The only problem? Togas aren’t Greek.
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    • July 21, 2022 at 7:09 AM
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    • July 21, 2022 at 7:13 AM
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    For anyone who REALLY wants to get into the weeds...

    Greek and Roman Textiles and Dress
    Greek and Roman Textiles and Dress
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    • August 18, 2022 at 7:47 PM
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    This shows how vibrantly Greek statues were originally painted:

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    Ancient Greek and Roman sculpture was once colorful, vibrantly painted and richly adorned with detailed ornamentation. Chroma: Ancient Sculpture in Color reveals the colorful backstory of polychromy—meaning “many colors,” in Greek—and presents new discoveries of surviving ancient color on artworks in The Met’s world-class collection. Exploring the practices and materials used in ancient polychromy, the exhibition highlights cutting-edge scientific methods used to identify ancient color and examines how color helped convey meaning in antiquity, and how ancient polychromy has been viewed and understood in later periods.

    https://www.metmuseum.org/exhibitions/listings/2022/chroma

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    • August 18, 2022 at 8:49 PM
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    Donna Zuckerberg's book delves into the implications of the bleached white statues that came down from antiquity:

    Not All Dead White Men — Donna Zuckerberg
    Some of the most controversial and consequential debates about the legacy of the ancients are raging not in universities but online, where Alt-Right men's…
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    • August 21, 2022 at 8:21 PM
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    Mythology --The Three Graces --- daughters of Zeus and Eurynome:

    "It is traditional to offer them the first draught of wine at a gathering to invoke their blessing and aid.”


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    The Three Graces are (most consistently named), from youngest to oldest, Aglaia, Euphrosyne, and Thalia (2, 12). Roman mythology depicts these Goddesses as The Graces (The Gratiae), having been previously referred to as the Charities (Kharites) in Greek mythology. In the Roman custom, in addition to their other benefits, The Gratiae signify gratitude (as in gratia), as well as benevolence (9), and according to Seneca, each of the three Goddesses is linked in a chain to causality, which pertains to the divine manifestation of Grace, and as related to their differing ages (15).

    • Aglaia – the eldest, (literal: splendor, beautiful, bright) (4), beauty, nature, amusement; sometimes wife of Hephaestus (14), divine artistry; “The Grace symbolizing beauty (9).”
    • Euphrosyne – (literal; mirth, merriment, cheerful, or a good mind) (5), good cheer, joy, and being well. “The Grace incarnate of delight (9).”
    • Thalia – (literal; luxuriant, blooming) (6), plentiful, rich, festivity. “The Grace of blossoming (9).”
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    The Graces vs The Muses vs. The Fates

    The Graces are most principle in relationship to Venus (15) appearing as handmaidens within her extended entourage, and spending much time at the Goddess's sanctuary at Cypress. It was in this temple of refuge where Venus was maintained in health and comfort, regularly bathed in the divinely anointed oils of The Gratiae, and where for example, the Goddess was presented with a magnificent immortal robe (10). Eros and The Muses (8) were frequent companions of The Graces as well, and they all loved to spend time together, dancing around in a circle to the music of Apollo (8). Another of their colleagues, the Goddess Dike (one of The Hours), often attended The Graces, and particularly in matters of peace and justice (1).

    The individual identities of the nine Muses are often intermingled with the three Graces as the two groups sometimes overlap in benefit. However, The Graces and The Muses dwell from slightly different origins. All of the Goddesses share a parent Zeus, though, in some Roman lore, The Graces are instead, fathered by Bacchus. Eurynome an Oceanid - daughter of Oceanus (God of the Sea) and Tethys (fresh water), (an incestuous Titanian brother/sister marital couple), is their mother (14).

    https://owlcation.com/humanities/The-Gratiae-Goddesses

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    • August 21, 2022 at 8:57 PM
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    Thought you might be interested in this:

    https://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Kharites.html

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    • January 15, 2023 at 1:30 PM
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    Regarding the good attributes and ancient Greek events and festivals during the month of Gamelion -- the month in which Epicurus was born (which coincides with the modern calander months of January/February).

    "...Gamelion... is the month of the Halcyon Days, days of warm sun and calm seas, Alkionides Meres, as the Greeks call them, which appear in mid January. These glorious Halcyon days of the month of Gamelion, also played a role in the reason certain dates were chosen for so many ancient Greek feasts, festivals and theatre, which were always held outdoors."

    Edit Note: After the initial posting of this, I further researched about "halcyon days" and I am finding mixed references to the exact times.

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    Gamelion; the month of marriage, was the seventh month of the Attic calendar of ancient Greece which coincides with the modern day month of February.

    The word derives from the Greek γαμηλίᾰ (gamēlía), meaning “wedding feast”, as it was the most popular month for weddings;

    (γάμος – gámos – wedding in greek).

    Gamelion:

    A month of marriages and festivals

    Not by chance was the ancient Greek month Gamelion the “Wedding-Month” a month for love, lust, weddings and festivals.

    Ancient Greeks generally married in winter, in honour of the goddess of marriage, Hera (Juno) Greek Goddess of Women, Marriage, Childbirth, Children and Family, a time when, throughout the month, special sacrifices were made to the goddess.

    As the ancient Greek wedding consisted of a three part ceremony which lasted for three days, held outdoors and usually at night, the weather had to be taken into consideration.

    Gamelion, then, was the perfect month, as this is the month of the Halcyon Days, days of warm sun and calm seas, Alkionides Meres, as the Greeks call them, which appear in mid January.

    These glorious Halcyon days of the month of Gamelion, also played a role in the reason certain dates were chosen for so many ancient Greek feasts, festivals and theatre, which were always held outdoors.

    The sacred Marriage

    Another reason the month of Gamelion is the month of marriages, is to commemorate the sacred Marriage, or Hieros gamos or Hierogamy, of Goddess Hera and Zeus; king of Greek gods.

    The wedding took place, with much pomp and glory, in the Garden of Hesperides, where Gaia, Mother Earth, overcome with happiness, caused a tree to bloom with golden apples and was watched over by the dreaded fates (The Moirai) of ancient Greece, who were probably comparing notes with each other and deciding the destiny of this sacred coupling!

    The wedding between Hera and Zeus was followed by a three hundred year honeymoon.

    The Theogamia or Hieros Gamos, a sexual ritual, or fertility rite, which performs a marriage between a god and a goddess, an annual festival celebrating the marriage of the gods Zeus and Hera, a sort of wedding anniversary, took place in the temple of Hera in honor of the goddess as protector of Marriage.

    The wedding of Zeus and Hera was celebrated at the Heraion of Samos.

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    Lenaia festival.From Wikipedia

    : "The festival was in honour of Dionysus Lenaios.[1] There is also evidence the festival also took place in Delphi.[2]

    The term Lenaia probably comes from "lenos" 'wine-press' or from "lenai", another name for the Maenads (the female worshippers of Dionysus)."

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    • June 11, 2023 at 12:29 PM
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    This is an interesting read about symposiums and courtesans in ancient Greece:

    Hetairai: Greek Courtesans

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    • July 17, 2023 at 8:20 PM
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    All about the Panhellenic Games of Ancient Greece

    This table is from a Wikipedia article:

    Games Deity Honored
    Location Prize Frequency
    Olympic Games Zeus Olympia, Elis Olive wreath (Kotinos) Every 4 years (marked the start of year 1 of an Olympiad)
    Pythian Games Apollo Delphi Laurel wreath Every 4 years (2 years after the Olympic Games; Olympiad year 3)
    Nemean Games Zeus, Heracles Nemea, Corinthia Wild celery Every 2 years (year before and after the Olympic Games; Olympiad years 2 and 4)
    Isthmian Games Poseidon Isthmia, Sicyon Pine Every 2 years (same year as the Nemean Games, different time of year)

    This is also a good article:

    The Panhellenic Games of Ancient Greece
    The Panhellenic Games in Ancient Greece included the Olympic Games, the Pythian Games, the Isthmian Games and the Nemean Games. The Sacred Games were religious
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    • July 17, 2023 at 8:28 PM
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    That is one of the many things I learned spending too much time playing video games!

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    • July 17, 2023 at 8:45 PM
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    There's an old rumor, by the way, that some of the Russian athletes were two weeks late to the 1908 Olympics because they were still using the Julian calendar and most of Europe was using the modern Gregorian calendar.

    Both calendars are named after the potentates who instituted them, but of course it was the astronomers of each age who actually designed them--the Gregorian calendar by 16th century Italian astronomer and philosopher named Luigi Lilio, and the Julian calendar by the scholars at the Library and Museum of Alexandria.

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    • July 18, 2023 at 12:15 PM
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    Joshua now that the ancient Athenian new year is here, can we guess when and which games would soon be starting?

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    • July 18, 2023 at 1:03 PM
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    This being the third year of the Olympiad, the Pythian games would have commenced with the first full moon of the New Year, which will be August 1st. However, since the calendar is lunisolar, and the moon cycle changes relative to the solstice, there is some debate as to whether they would push it back another moon to wait out the harvest. Wikipedia says the games would occur in late August, which would coincide with the second full moon this year. Difficult to say--the Athenians would add an extra month every so often to bring the months back in line with the seasons.

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    • July 18, 2023 at 1:08 PM
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    This Attic month (Hekatombaion) also includes the annual festival of the Panathenaea, which Don mentioned in his Video on the location of the Garden outside the walls of ancient Athens.

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    • July 18, 2023 at 1:10 PM
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    You can look at the dates for that festival on the calendar at;

    Calendar – Hellenion

    It will occur in August on our calendar.

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