Epicurean Music- Oldies

  • Here are songs along with comments from a FB thread. Someone advocating Costa Rican "Pure Life" came by and that led to this:

    You know what this whole affair reminds me of:



    Maybe I should try to be more accurate:




    For those of us old enough to remember when Kokomo came out - we were much younger weren't we? At least for me, it's hard to associate any bad memories or unpleasant feelings with that song. Probably I need to add this song to my list of "Techniques for Feeling Better" the next time [a self-professed stoic] asks for a list!



    • Cassius Amicus So you like the beach boys? Another confession!!! Stop trying to convince us you are a Stoic, Julia ;

    • Cassius Amicus Waiting for an explanation from Julia on how Epictetus would like the Beach Boys........
    • Cassius Amicus Shifting back into semi-serious mode, there are, in response to Stoic dialectical argument, many good Epicurean logical arguments. And then there is the best "argument" of all - FEELING!




    • [Poster]: Semi-serious, ha! :) Delete or hide this
    • Cassius Amicus RIGHT! No one should be confused - I am FULLY serious --- FEELING trumps dialectical logic and always will- I am convinced that is perhaps Epicurus' MOST important insight!





    Cassius Amicus One more in case Julia is struggling to hold on to her Stoicism!




    • I don't know their names but for some reason the one with the beard makes me think of Nate ! Nathan Bartman ;-

    Cassius Amicus Cassius Amicus OK in order to take the pressure off Julia, I'll add that listening to these songs presents a challenge to those who advocate the strict ascetic interpretation that one should limit oneself to bread and water on the grounds that those are all that are "natural and necessary." Epicurus could not have meant that strict literalism. He had to know that music isn't particularly "necessary" just for pure bodily survival, but that's why it seems he equated pleasure with health -- pleasures such as this reinforce us and build us up and are in fact "necessary" and that's why the same man who came up with that means of analysis how much trouble something will cause also said:


    “I know not how to conceive the good, apart from the pleasures of taste, of sex, of sound, and the pleasures of beautiful form.”

    And

    vS 37. When confronted by evil nature is weak, but not when faced with good; for pleasures make it secure but pains ruin it.


  • ahhh the Beach Boys are great, beach life is Pura Vida :)


    Don't know if early 00's counts but this is one of my favourite songs that follows nicely from the Beach Boys tracks.



    Lyrics:


    Whether you're in L.A.,
    Sunny laid back L.A.
    Whether you're in New York,
    Comfort 'round your block.
    Whether you're in the UK,
    Where the sky is dark
    And the grass is kinda green,
    You know like Central Park.

    Still my favorite place in this whole wide world
    Has got to be in the middle the ocean floor.
    I see you poking out of the ocean. Paradise on Earth.
    The 50th state-WHAT?!

    Hawaii.

    (A nuclear disaster might be on our way,
    I don't care I'm in the USA).

    Whether you're drunk or stoned
    Or we're sober and old.
    If I'm with you I'm a happy man.
    If you feel safe and cold
    While you count your gold.
    If you're problem is you can't find you're remote control.
    Still my favorite person in this whole wide world
    Is the woman who can understand every word
    And when she speaks to me She makes me see the world
    As my favorite place.

    Hawaii.

    We got it made. Yes, I know.
    Can we go by plane or boat.

    Whether you take it slow
    Or you let me go.
    Whether you tell me something That I didn't know.
    Whether you're neat and polite Or you scream and fight.
    Whether you keep something from me
    That I wouldn't like.
    Still my favorite attitude In this world so far Is the friendly spirit Of an iron heart.
    Like the way folks are in this most special place.
    I don't care what happens I'm taking a plane to...

    Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii, Hawaii.

    Kauai or Oahu,
    Molokai and Lanai.
    Maui and the big guy,
    a.k.a. Hawaii.

    (Cut off from Malaysia
    Back in who knows when...)

    Oh, we got kinda lost,
    But my God, what a place.
    I profess, airforce jets cannot take
    Away my soul.

    Joy to the World!



  • This song explain Epicurean philosophy. But is in Italian.

    Lyrics:
    Il medico vero è quello che cura il corpo malato che bene non stà.

    Filosofo vero, assai veritiero è quello che il Vero dell'anima dà.

    La malattia dell'anima è la non verità che turbamenti ti regala fino a sazietà.

    Dal niente niente, nessun ente ma potrà dissolversi nel nulla, no no no.

    Il piacere fa bene. Il dolore fa male. Basta solo provare per potere capire.

    La suprema virtute stà nel viver felice; il supremo piacere nel dolore kaput.

    Assente il dolore la vita è OK. Assente il dolore la vita è mejor.

    Un sapere che non dà felicità anche se poggia sulla Verità è privo di valore, credi a me.

    Nel mio "Giardino", la felicità si beve come un'acqua frizzantina.

    Lascia l'innaturale, la città e i calcoli del male espellerai.

    Google translation:

    The real doctor is the one who takes care of the sick body that is not good.

    True philosopher, very truthful is what the True of the soul gives.

    The sickness of the soul is the untruth that upsets you up to satiety.

    From nothing nothing, no entity but can dissolve into nothingness, no no no.

    Pleasure is good. Pain hurts. Just try to understand.

    The supreme virtue lies in happy living; the supreme pleasure in kaput pain.

    Absent pain life is OK. Absent the pain, life is better.

    A knowledge that does not give happiness even if it is based on Truth is worthless, believe me.

    In my "Garden", happiness is drunk like sparkling water.

    Leave the unnatural, the city and you will expel the calculations of evil.

    Edited once, last by michelepinto: Hope you enjoy trnslation ().

  • Here is the famous Aphrodite’s Child telling us to enjoy life and pleasure, but to do it prudently without destroying ourselves. 😉



  • WOW Michele that italian song is a great addition. Can you tell us anything about who wrote it, put it together, etc?


    (And of course Mattheu/LD I love AD too!)

  • Ooooh I just realized that the music video unfortunately places Plato in a favorable light! And does it contain a picture of Epicurus? Looks like some remedial work needs to be done! ;-)

  • Il medico vero è quello che cura il corpo malato che bene non stà.

    Filosofo vero, assai veritiero è quello che il Vero dell'anima dà.

    La malattia dell'anima è la non verità che turbamenti ti regala fino a sazietà.

    Dal niente niente, nessun ente ma potrà dissolversi nel nulla, no no no.

    Il piacere fa bene. Il dolore fa male. Basta solo provare per potere capire.

    La suprema virtute stà nel viver felice; il supremo piacere nel dolore kaput.

    Assente il dolore la vita è OK. Assente il dolore la vita è mejor.

    Un sapere che non dà felicità anche se poggia sulla Verità è privo di valore, credi a me.

    Nel mio "Giardino", la felicità si beve come un'acqua frizzantina.

    Lascia l'innaturale, la città e i calcoli del male espellerai.



    My effort and rearranging / improving, without attention yet to rhyme or making it singable.
    Personally I have to adjust both 6 and 7 to avoid reinforcing the apparent conclusion that all that is necessary in life is to remove pain. In April 2019 I think too many people who don't understand the Epicurean proposition that there are only two feelings, which means that the amount of one that is present is the amount the other is absent, could read it as recommending giving up, Stoic suppression of all emotion, or even committing suicide. Only if you first understand that when one is absent the other is present can you see that absence of pains means presence of pleasures, and that's one of the biggest challenges we have in explaining Epicurean philosophy, since most of the world does not believe that.

    So as a start as to meaning, not as to smoothness:


    1 The true doctor is the one who takes care of the sick whose bodies are not well.

    2 So the true philosopher is he who brings truth to heal the soul.

    3 The soul is sick because it mistakenly believes that it cannot be satisfied.

    4 But nothing comes from nothing, nothing dissolves into nothing.

    5 Pleasure is good. Pain hurts. That is all you need to understand.

    6 The most virtuous life is that which is most happy; the most happy life is that which has the most pleasure and the least pain.

    7 With a little pain life is still good, but with less pain and more pleasure life is better.

    8 Knowledge that does not bring happiness is worthless, even if it is true.

    9 In my Garden we drink happiness like sparkling water.

    10 Leave the unnatural, leave the crowds, and you will escape the plots of evil men.