Posts by Kalosyni

Cassius I think this Episode 268 - On Pleasure the Guide of Life - would be a great one for publishing the transcript...hoping that might be possible at some point?

Quote from Godfrey

I would point out that Epicurus separates desires from pleasures. In doing so, he is able to clarify that there are various categories of desires which allow for personal evaluation, whereas all pleasures are good as a matter of biology.

The categories of desires are: natural and necessary, natural and unnecessary, and unnatural. These are described in various PDs as well as in the Letter to Menoikeus.

I sometimes have trouble keeping track of desire distinctions vs. pleasure, but thinking further...

Desire is the motivation to act, with the outcome of the actions being either pleasure or pain.

Some desires lead to more pain, some lead to a mix of pain and pleasure, and some lead to all pleasure.

But we sometimes must endure some pain in the short-term, either to avoid a greater pain in the future or to experience a greater pleasure in the future (for the long-term health of the body and well-being of the soul) -- which is why there are the categories of desires.

Vatican Saying 52 mentions dance (friendship dances around the world)...

I just found this is a good article, about the health benefits: https://welldoing.org/article/dancin…tes-vagus-nerve

Jesse Welcome to the forum!

Quote from Cassius

we're up against a veritable army of nay-sayers and manipulators,

Or to say it another way...some people feel very attached to ideas about God and the supernatural, and may feel upset by ideas which are nearly similar to atheism (except for very small differences). And we see Epicurus taught in his private garden rather than in public spaces. Thus there is the debate on "live unknown". We've got a thread discussing various interpretations on that here.

I just found this website which has recipes:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/cook-classical-feast-nine-recipes-ancient-greece-and-rome

And also Don's excellent video:

And found this link, over in that thread:

https://greekreporter.com/2022/08/04/ancient-greeks-were-gourmands-with-a-preference-for-fish/

AxA We have some posts on ancient Greek/Roman food here:

Thread

Food and Medicine in the Time of the Epicureans in Ancient Greece and Rome

This thread is for food (and food as medicine) in the time of Epicureans in ancient Greece and Rome.

****

Regarding honey in ancient times:

[…]



They did not have sugar, but they had honey, as part of their diet and medicine.



[…]

https://asteriosbio.com/en/honey-in-th…ancient-greeks/

https://healthywithhoney.com/honey-in-history-ancient-greece/

Kalosyni

May 31, 2022 at 9:33 AM

Here is more on the tri-fold - page 2 - still a work in progress (when I get the final copy done I post as a PDF, and delete the drafts.

Thinking that I want to add footnotes to specific text references.

Quote from AxA

Kalosyni, your brochure looks great. I like the garden motifs like with the vines. I want to collect imagery like this, make a collection of anything that brings out that Epicurean Garden feeling.

Thanks, I am using the free version of the Canva app, which has various clip art and graphics.

Quote from Bryan

the date for the founding of the garden should be 307/306 BCE

Thanks Bryan I will change that, and also hope to finish the back side of the tri-fold soon.

Here is a work in progress (I started working on a zine size some time ago, but tri-fold now seems better)...

*Edit note: Kepos founding date is 307/306 BCE - to be corrected in next draft.

Regarding the heading in AxA's pamplet: "Trust your senses over your thoughts" - this phrase is not found in anything that Epicurus said.

AxA I'm mulling over some parts of your pamplet, which is generally good, yet probably I would phrase some of the subtitles differently (personal preference).

Some thoughts regarding VS04 translation, which can vary depending on the translator...especially the phrase "easy to disregard"... Don maybe you can help to check what the ancient Greek words are in this??? ...ancient Greek over at monadnock.net

This is a long thread, and perhaps needs some sifting through, but elements could be added regarding coping skills:

Epicurean substitute for prayer

This is a long thread, and perhaps needs some sifting through, but elements could be added regarding coping skills:

Epicurean substitute for prayer

Happy Birthday to forum member SillyApe  

Thank you Eikadistes for your heartfelt post of your personal experiences. And sounds like it is pointing to a need to develop coping skills before hardship or difficult times occur - such as you wrote in your first paragraph about memorizing the Doxai (Principal Doctrines)...and also having an "Epicurean Serenity Prayer" (...I think I remember some posts on that a long time ago, will see if I can find them).

And so this is something to add to the above list in post number one.