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    Here's another particular important passage that has always to me had a troublesome translation, from Book 4. Munro and Bailey seem fairly understandable, but awkward. Humphries (as we referenced before) seems to go over the top with his "idiotic"…
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    Yes I have that version too, and yes I have always thought that "superstition" was a copout.

    I don't think i have ever read the Stallings version, and I don't think i have a copy. I've eventually come to the view that for me…
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    It occurs to me--and I think we're finally off topic now ;)--that the first translation of Lucretius I ever read was by A. E. Stallings from 2007. She attempted to capture the flow of the hexameter by casting it into Iambic Heptameter, a very unusually…
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    I don't have a copy of that one other than on Audible, Cassius, but I agree with your assessment.

    But the translation I use has its own problems (W. H. D. Rouse, from the Loeb Classical Library with facing Latin text). For example, Rouse's translation…
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    It occurs to me--and I think we're finally off topic now ;)--that the first translation of Lucretius I ever read was by A. E. Stallings from 2007. She attempted to capture the flow of the hexameter by casting it into Iambic Heptameter, a very unusually…
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    I don't have a copy of that one other than on Audible, Cassius, but I agree with your assessment.

    But the translation I use has its own problems (W. H. D. Rouse, from the Loeb Classical Library with facing Latin text). For example, Rouse's translation…
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    Do you have a copy of the Rolfe Humphries version in full? That's the first one that really hit home to me, as it is the one used in the Audible.com version.

    As with all of them there are high spots and low spots, and I think the Humphries version…
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    Replied to the thread Is Pleasure the Only Good?.
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    Yes Joshua we are going exactly in the same direction. Eating and drinking do produce life-sustaining results, and are at times (most times) pleasurable. But I think if we rigorously track down the WHY of everything we do, we always come back to "the…
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    In terms of thinking things through out loud, that's really helpful. Not just to the initial poster: it also gives others a chance to mull over particular ideas :thumbup:
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    And thank you Cassius! I see we crossed while typing.
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    Thank you, Godfrey! This is what I'm trying to nail down here. It was Cassius' post in another thread that got me thinking about the question;

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    Possibly I'm wrong in my interpretation, but I don't think that eating and drinking are intrinsic…
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    Do you have a copy of the Rolfe Humphries version in full? That's the first one that really hit home to me, as it is the one used in the Audible.com version.

    As with all of them there are high spots and low spots, and I think the Humphries version…
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    I like this analogy! You've also used my favorite translation of that line in Lucretius. It's less literal, but with the change from passive to active voice the final clause hits harder.
  • JJElbert

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    I like this analogy! You've also used my favorite translation of that line in Lucretius. It's less literal, but with the change from passive to active voice the final clause hits harder.
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    Replied to the thread Is Pleasure the Only Good?.
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    In terms of thinking things through out loud, that's really helpful. Not just to the initial poster: it also gives others a chance to mull over particular ideas :thumbup:
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    Thank you, Godfrey! This is what I'm trying to nail down here. It was Cassius' post in another thread that got me thinking about the question;

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    Possibly I'm wrong in my interpretation, but I don't think that eating and drinking are intrinsic…
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    I agree with all the comments and think that the basic thrust is a problem with definitions. We know what pleasure is because we feel it, but we don't know what "good" means because it is an abstraction. That means our definitions of "good" have to be…
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    I agree with all the comments and think that the basic thrust is a problem with definitions. We know what pleasure is because we feel it, but we don't know what "good" means because it is an abstraction. That means our definitions of "good" have to be…
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    This is also why one doesn't pursue all pleasures, as some are more trouble than they're worth as described in PD 8 for instance.