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Bryan
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 6:52 PM And if you go back to our discussion at the start of this thread: remember that παιωνος "triumph song" doesn't appear in the manuscript. It's πλειονος. -
Bryan
July 18, 2025 at 6:42 PM Replied to the thread VS47 - Source in Vat.gr.1950 and elsewhere.Post[…]
Although I think that would require adding τοῦ before καλοῦ, giving μετὰ [τοῦ] καλοῦ πλείονος, but even then we would expect μετὰ πλείονος [τοῦ] καλοῦ -- all of which is more of a change than from πλειονος to παιωνος.
In further support of this, we do… -
Cassius
ThreadJuly 18, 2025 at 2:24 PM It seems to me that the content of many of our Lucretius Today episodes over the last several years makes them worthy of exposure to a wider audience. I am therefore going to experiment with creating edited transcripts of them for posting as articles on… -
Cassius
July 18, 2025 at 2:06 PM Replied to the thread Episode 190 - Cicero's On Ends - Book One - Part 01.PostFighting Back Against the Anti-Epicureans - Part 01
The following episode of episode 190 of the Lucretius Today podcast was released on August 28, 2023. This transcript is being republished as part of a new series of articles entitled "Fighting Back… -
Kalosyni
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 1:41 PM […]
I am not seeing a reference to fears. I am seeing "...but whenever what must happen (τὸ χρεών) leads us out: having greatly spat on life and on those who cling to it in vain, we go out of life..."
(Although, of course, τὸ ζῆν is more "living"… -
Kalosyni
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 1:41 PM […]
Yeah, no explicit reference to that word, just the general idea of dismissing death.
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I'm glad you brought this up because I want your take on it. I read ζῆν as an infinitive, so, even though its awkward, I try to squeeze a "to..." into the… -
Kalosyni
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 1:40 PM And if you go back to our discussion at the start of this thread: remember that παιωνος "triumph song" doesn't appear in the manuscript. It's πλειονος. -
Godfrey
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 9:41 AM […]
Great question!
I found differing renderings from different authors. Bailey seems to be an outlier in his transposition; note the verb προπτύσαντες (proptúsantes) versus προσπτύσαντες (prosptúsantes).
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Godfrey
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 9:38 AM […]
Yes. I believe προσπτυσαντες conveys literally spitting upon.
Another curiosity of this VS is that it's Metrodorus writing and not Epicurus. -
Eikadistes
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 8:22 AM And if you go back to our discussion at the start of this thread: remember that παιωνος "triumph song" doesn't appear in the manuscript. It's πλειονος. -
Kalosyni
July 18, 2025 at 8:17 AM Replied to a comment by Pacatus on the image A Life Full of Pleasure.Reply (Image/Video)Pacatus My idea was to keep the categories at a fairly high level of abstraction. I am not sure that those specific pleasures you mentioned are necessary for everyone. And thinking further I should probably remove music and traveling from the list if… -
Don
July 18, 2025 at 7:14 AM Replied to the thread VS47 - Source in Vat.gr.1950 and elsewhere.PostAnd if you go back to our discussion at the start of this thread: remember that παιωνος "triumph song" doesn't appear in the manuscript. It's πλειονος. -
Don
Reaction (Post)July 18, 2025 at 7:12 AM […]
I'd say ... paraphrasing, it could mean, either: [1] we are to live while embracing the grand inevitability of death, or else, [2] we are to live while spitting upon the universal fear of death. -
Eikadistes
July 17, 2025 at 9:25 PM Replied to the thread VS47 - Source in Vat.gr.1950 and elsewhere.Post[…]
Yeah, no explicit reference to that word, just the general idea of dismissing death.
[…]
I'm glad you brought this up because I want your take on it. I read ζῆν as an infinitive, so, even though its awkward, I try to squeeze a "to..." into the… -
Cassius
Reaction (Post)July 17, 2025 at 8:55 PM […]
I am not seeing a reference to fears. I am seeing "...but whenever what must happen (τὸ χρεών) leads us out: having greatly spat on life and on those who cling to it in vain, we go out of life..."
(Although, of course, τὸ ζῆν is more "living"… -
Cassius
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Bryan
July 17, 2025 at 8:48 PM Replied to the thread VS47 - Source in Vat.gr.1950 and elsewhere.Post[…]
I am not seeing a reference to fears. I am seeing "...but whenever what must happen (τὸ χρεών) leads us out: having greatly spat on life and on those who cling to it in vain, we go out of life..."
(Although, of course, τὸ ζῆν is more "living"… -
Bryan
Reaction (Post)July 17, 2025 at 8:34 PM Comments please.
I've come across the following post questioning the attribution of VS 47 to Epicurus himself: VS 47" I have anticipated thee, Fortune, and entrenched myself against all thy secret attacks. And we will not give ourselves up as captives to… -
Bryan
Reaction (Post)July 17, 2025 at 8:34 PM […]
I'd say ... paraphrasing, it could mean, either: [1] we are to live while embracing the grand inevitability of death, or else, [2] we are to live while spitting upon the universal fear of death. -
Kalosyni
Reaction (Post)July 17, 2025 at 7:37 PM […]
Yes. I believe προσπτυσαντες conveys literally spitting upon.
Another curiosity of this VS is that it's Metrodorus writing and not Epicurus.
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