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Listen to the latest Lucretius Today Podcast! Episode 225 is now available. Cicero Argues That A Commitment To Virtue Is A Bar to Pleasure.
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Don
April 26, 2024 at 10:34 AM Reacted with to Kalosyni’s post in the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).Reaction (Post)I found this on how Athenian Ephebeia were religiously educated:
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Kalosyni
April 26, 2024 at 10:33 AM Replied to the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).PostI found this on how Athenian Ephebeia were religiously educated:
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Don
April 26, 2024 at 10:29 AM Replied to the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).Post[…]
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Don
April 26, 2024 at 10:29 AM Reacted with to Joshua’s post in the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).Reaction (Post)Another thing I'd like to discuss during this series is John Mason Good's introduction to his translation of Lucretius. He genuinely makes the claim that Lucretius believed in an intelligent creator, someone who set the atoms into motion. I'll post more… -
Cassius
April 26, 2024 at 10:10 AM Reacted with to Joshua’s post in the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).Reaction (Post)Another thing I'd like to discuss during this series is John Mason Good's introduction to his translation of Lucretius. He genuinely makes the claim that Lucretius believed in an intelligent creator, someone who set the atoms into motion. I'll post more… -
Joshua
April 26, 2024 at 10:07 AM Replied to the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).PostAnother thing I'd like to discuss during this series is John Mason Good's introduction to his translation of Lucretius. He genuinely makes the claim that Lucretius believed in an intelligent creator, someone who set the atoms into motion. I'll post more… -
Onenski
April 26, 2024 at 9:16 AM Reacted with to Joshua’s post in the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.Reaction (Post)[…]
The phrase "meaning of life" first appears in the record of the English language in 1834. 18 years after the invention of the heliotype, 3 years earlier than the invention of the telegraph.
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--Thomas Carlyle, Sartor Resartus
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Onenski
April 26, 2024 at 9:15 AM Reacted with to Cassius’s post in the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.Reaction (Post)Earlier today I was asked a couple of questions that would be good to toss around, since it's a common question:
What does Epicurus offer to the world (common people) today?- Don't you have to be rich to be an Epicurean?
- Epicureanism doesn't offer anything
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Don
April 26, 2024 at 9:03 AM Reacted with to Cassius’s post in the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.Reaction (Post)My preliminary comments are:
At the very least one observation that goes along with the discussion is that Epicurus was long dead even when that was written, so he was not around to give orders, nor does there seem to have been a strict passing of… -
Cassius
April 26, 2024 at 9:01 AM Replied to the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).PostLet's continue the discussion of arguments in favor of supernatural gods here:
Organizing Epicurean Responses To Arguments In Favor Of Supernatural Gods We can eventually split that thread too down into separate subthreads by argument, but let's start a… -
Cassius
April 26, 2024 at 9:00 AM Posted the thread Organizing Epicurean Responses To Arguments In Favor Of Supernatural Gods.ThreadAs part of the series we're going to present on the Epicurean sections of Cicero's "On The Nature of the Gods," we will want to be sure to at least mention the major arguments that might be of interest to modern readers, even if they are not explicitly… -
Kalosyni
April 26, 2024 at 8:55 AM Reacted with to Cassius’s post in the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).Reaction (Post)I haven't refreshed my reading recently enough to know if Cicero includes a similar argument in "On The Nature of The Gods," but he might. We can discuss this in the same way that we can include Epicurus' "riddle," even though it is not explicitly in the… -
Cassius
April 26, 2024 at 8:51 AM Replied to the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).PostI haven't refreshed my reading recently enough to know if Cicero includes a similar argument in "On The Nature of The Gods," but he might. We can discuss this in the same way that we can include Epicurus' "riddle," even though it is not explicitly in the… -
Kalosyni
April 26, 2024 at 8:46 AM Replied to the thread Episode 226 - Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods - Epicurean Section 01 (Not Yet Recorded).PostIs it possible that Cicero and others in ancient times used similar thinking as Anselm to decide that there are gods?
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Cassius
April 26, 2024 at 8:34 AM Replied to the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.PostMy preliminary comments are:
At the very least one observation that goes along with the discussion is that Epicurus was long dead even when that was written, so he was not around to give orders, nor does there seem to have been a strict passing of… -
Don
April 26, 2024 at 8:26 AM Replied to the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.PostThe word specifically used by Philodemus is πειθαρχησομεν and translator of "On Frank Criticism" translates it as "obey (one in authority)" which is in line with the LSJ definition. However, the word is related directly to:
πείθω
to convince, persuade
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Kalosyni
April 26, 2024 at 8:19 AM Replied to the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.Post[…]
I think that the main problem for us now is that half of the pages of the "cookbook" are missing.
We can see that people turned to Epicurus for answers about living a happy and good life. It seems unlikely that the "Epicureanism" during the life of… -
Kalosyni
April 26, 2024 at 8:08 AM Replied to the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.Post[…]
Now if you think about it, the original authority was "God". In current modern times many people do not believe in God, or perhaps they believe in a God which is only remotely involved with humans (more like "new-age" spirituality). So there will be… -
TauPhi
April 26, 2024 at 7:08 AM Replied to the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.Post[…]
I'm thinking about this sentence for few minutes now and I can't see how obeying someone in authority is not 'blind faith'. To me, that's exactly it. If I give someone authority over my own life and obey them, that means I acknowledge someone else is… -
Martin
April 26, 2024 at 4:41 AM Reacted with to Twentier’s post in the thread What Epicurus Offers To The Modern World As Of April, 2024?.Reaction (Post)[…]
In a fragment, Philodemus writes, "...we shall admonish others with great confidence, both now and when those {of us} who have become offshoots of our teachers have become eminent. And the encompassing and most important thing is, we shall obey…