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Sedley reconstruction of fragments from Book 28
I'm unable to upload pics into the comments section here, but in p. 46 I see the idea expressed that "by assigning any name one expresses a particular opinion".
This reminds me of Nietzsche's treatment of words as both authority or power upon creation / the world, as well as with the insistence among Epicureans in a careful choice of words, something on which we today and in the English language have not focused enough. We have instead been careful to _avoid_ certain words (like faith, God or gods, hedonism) because of their conventionally understood meanings, instead.
Further up from this passage it suggests the need for "adapting certain conventional usages"--which reminds me of the practice (which is mentioned in the recent "against empty words" video) of re-defining words according to nature, and Polyaenus insistence on this in his scroll "on definitions".
In p. 47 Epicurus here mentions that he has recently learned about the "difficulties of using the correct names for individual things". This resonates with my observation that the ancient Epicureans preferred to move away from speaking in the abstract (man) and trying to align their speech as clearly as possible with the concrete examples of categories (humans, men in the plural) to accentuate the individual specimens.
There seems to have been a more complete, comprehensive Epicurean theory of speech, rhetorics, and linguistics than most of us today are aware of (which would make sense in light of the insistence on clear speech).
P. 48 again confirms what we know, that the Epicureans used conventional words and did not disregard conventional meaning ("our own usage does not flout linguistic convention") but yet assigned new and particular meaning to them, keeping in mind their distinct, clear meaning.
p. 49 mentions a work titled "On Ambiguity" as a source that explained why it's an error to transfer words that design the knowable to things that belong in the category of the unknowable. Here, Metodorus and Epicurus are also discussing who is and who is not a worthy intellectual opponent enough to dedicate time to them in light of the goal of benefiting sincere, committed students who want to be happy. Maybe we should discuss these matters more in detail in order to try to imagine what was discussed in that work.
p 50 contains a great quote in defense of empirical thinking, and the idea that false opinions can find themselves into the words of a language "through a non-empirical process, not following one of our current divisions, but simply arising from an internal movement". This is below called a "trace of suspicion" and a call is made to "turn to the entire faculty of empirical reasoning". This is passage is beautiful and of great value!
p. 51: "for the opinion which he holds is, I know, by no means empirically based on current evidence … every opinion to which we had not yet at the time applied an empirical assessment should be referred to the following rule: it is not possible, in my view, to subject every opinion immediately to an empirical assessment, but it is sufficient that a man will be ready merely to display a capacity for reasoning empirically when the opportunity allows. For someone who examines it with this lack of empirical reasoning and in an utterly inadequate fashion, will nevertheless be able to assess it empiritucally, (if it is an opinion that concerns actions, when he has the opportunity to observe someone who proceeds to action on the basis of it; he will see with what results the person performs this action and under its guidance he will arrive at the truth just as much in the category of avoidance as in that of choice".
The above passage re: how to think empirically about action is mentioned in the video on empty words. Concerning theoretical and unempirical opinions, they can be considered false if an empirical opinion based on them is untrue, or if when acted upon they lead to disadvantageous action (meaning that, here, the definite existence of "moral truths" is posited based on disadvantage).
p 55 Epicurus mentions the importance of the canon ("keeping at his side a yardstick with the help of which … he will not proceed in the direction of falsehood"), and of being careful to await for confirmation (that is, empirical evidence) before we declare something to be true.
p 56 closes by citing how important this discourse is: "... try 10,000 times over to commit to memory what I and Metrodorus here have just said".
thank you Hiram! Why cannot you add attachments? How large are they?
Also Hiram if you can quote the book from on nature where there occur we can correlate with the material on the Werzberger site.
Hiram let's try to discuss in the main thread here. On Nature Book 28 - Reconstruction By David Sedley - 1973 Article
According to the above "sources" we have to examine an example of the experience, and in practice :
Positively and affirmatively I assure you that the majority of the greek epicureans we speak, reading and writing the words of our language properly, as well as we avoid definitions on the words since we are not be based on the methodology of dialectics by Plato. We use the epicurean Canon to judge all the issues and applying in practice Epicurean Philosophy accordingly. We use the greek words as they really ARE and as have been evolved and till now are evolving through the experiences of all men in the history of our civilization, and from the era of Homer and through the survival sources of the whole greek literature . So, that is easy for us, the greek epicureans, to grasp the concepts of the words directly and without mistake. And of course when we see a word in front of our own eyes written with its proper orthography the mistake to be considered as abstract it reduces to the zero.
An example with an evidence that an english speaking man can't use the word "αυτάρκεια" without as it is written in greek or the better that has to do is to write it like this : "autárkea" . Because, if he won't do that, he will fall in the trap to be confused and confuse others i.e. he will use an empty word without meaning.
For the greek word "αυτάρκεια" and of what this denotes, the greeks understand it as it is written in their language, but when they read it and hearing it as it is used by english speaking persons written as "autarky"… sorry, but falser and more confused written greek word I have ever seen like this till now.
English lexicons for the etymology of this word: "autarky” is from the Greek word: "αὐτάρκεια" (SEE HOW IT IS WRITTEN, see the syllables [thrice see the syllables] wondering how the "ει" became "y" in English and why ???)
Aytarky means "self-sufficiency" (derived from αὐτο-, "self," and ἀρκέω, "to suffice").
The term is sometimes (*) confused with autocracy (Greek: "αὐτoκρατία"(SEE HOW IT IS WRITTEN, see the syllables that the letter "ι" is written in English with the letter “y” again ). Autocracy is a government by single absolute ruler" or autarchy Greek: αὐταρχία – the idea of rejecting government and ruling oneself and no other.
(*) Note : not sometimes, but all the times. Do you want an evidence and in practice ? Well ask many greek persons to explain when they would hear and see this word written in english as "autarky" and what would be their first reaction of what this word denotes in their life. See their faces and their feelings of a disgust. Ask men and their "opinions". I do not accept that words are opinions. We live through them, we breath through them, we feed with the milk of our mothers who spoke to us with them, we feel with them, and we have been and still are evolving with them. No, I do not accept that the words are opinions, the falsehood on opinions can be judged through the Canon, but the Canon that is described also in the Epicurus letter to Herodotus accepts that the words are the only standard to use for our investigations through our senses and feelings. Sorry, but this issue on language and the words as used by the greeks, and on how is given and written here is going to be an issue of unnatural and not natural.
When you have a remembrance of a pleasurable moment i.e. a trip, and someone would ask you what did you saw and felt , you have to describe it with words. If you use fantastic creatures in your narration, the other person if he won't be a stupid, he will understand that your narration is based on the fantastic impressions of the mind. The other person could confirm without contradiction whatever you tell him.
Sorry Epicurus did not change the concepts of the greek words and he did not change the orthography and the grammar of greek words. He wrote his works with clarity and properly with the usage of greek language.
The issue on greek language :
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also second person formal
singular, dual and plural
singular and plural
present, past and future
past and non-past (future is expressed by a periphrastic construction)
imperfective, perfective (traditionally called aorist) and perfect (sometimes also called perfective; see note about terminology)
imperfective and perfective/aorist (perfect is expressed by a periphrastic construction)
indicative, subjunctive, imperative and optative
indicative, subjunctive, and imperative (other modal functions are expressed by periphrastic constructions)
active, middle, and passive
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Greek inscription in Cypriot syllabic script
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Ancient epichoric variants of the Greek alphabet from Euboea, Ionia, Athens, and Corinth comparing to modern Greek
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I don't know why I can't upload pics I just know that I can't. Under insert image it says "source", I see no way to UPLOAD, except from a link / website, so can't copy and paste.