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    • May 9, 2024 at 11:41 AM
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    Maybe! The problem is I remember so little--only the rough outline of a passing vignette...

    I think;

    -That it was a poem (rough start, I know!)

    -The poem was written by a British man.

    -And was written in the Victorian period or earlier.

    -The speaker of the poem is intoxicated, possibly by opium or laudanum, or maybe by absinthe or wine. In any case, there's delirium.

    -The speaker meets an 'exotic' man, and tries to speak to him.

    -When English fails, the speaker switches to ancient Greek, possibly by recitating a few lines from Homer.

    That's all I've got! I thought it was Thomas de Quincey (1785-1859), who wrote Confessions of an English Opium Eater, but he was an essayist. His Greek, however, was very good.

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    I finally found it, and it was in De Quincey's book.

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    My knowledge of the Oriental tongues is not remarkably extensive, being indeed confined to two words—the Arabic word for barley and the Turkish for opium (madjoon), which I have learned from Anastasius; and as I had neither a Malay dictionary nor even Adelung’s Mithridates, which might have helped me to a few words, I addressed him in some lines from the Iliad, considering that, of such languages as I possessed, Greek, in point of longitude, came geographically nearest to an Oriental one. He worshipped me in a most devout manner, and replied in what I suppose was Malay. In this way I saved my reputation with my neighbours, for the Malay had no means of betraying the secret.

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    • November 13, 2024 at 10:17 PM
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    The story of Michael Marullus drowning in a river with a copy of Lucretius in his pocket will be familiar to many here. I learned recently that one of France's preeminent poets (Pierre de Ronsard) wrote an epitaph in his honor. It took me ages to track down even the French text of this epitaph, and I'm posting it here against the day I decide to learn French.

    The source of the epitaph is a book of verse called Le Bocage (The Grove), published 1554. Marullus was also a poet, and there are probably fertile fields for exploring his reception of Lucretius. This book might be a good place to start.

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    • November 22, 2024 at 9:02 PM
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    It took me ages to track down even the French text of this epitaph, and I'm posting it here against the day I decide to learn French.

    You got me curious, Joshua. And since I find French accent quite annoying, I'm pretty sure the day I decide to learn French will be the same day the hell freezes. Therefore, there's no point in resisting the temptation to know what the poem is about. I decided to butcher the poetry via machine translation.

    I took the transcript from here: https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Page:Rons…e,_1554.djvu/36
    I took the liberty of replacing all 'long eses' with regular 'eses' and butchered the poem into what follows. I fully expect Mr. Ronsard's ghost to poke holes in all white sheets I conveniently don't posses and use them for dramatic effects during his infernal howls while floating over my bed. What can I say? I'll have a night to remember tonight.

    Anyway, here it is if anyone's interested:

    Epitaph for Michel Marulle Tarchaniot, from Constantinnople.

    Speak good words
    Muses, & with my songs,
    He faintly agreed with the sounds
    From you Luts, & from you Violes.

    Here is Marule's Tomb,
    Prayed, what ever from heaven,
    The sweet manna, & the sweet honey,
    And the sweet dew falls there:

    I hit the Tomb of Marulle,
    From him Tombe didn’t sin
    The veins letters of his name,
    He lives there with Tibulle.

    Above the Elysées rivers,
    And under the shade of the myrtle trees,
    An noise of waters sings its verses
    Between well-prized souls.

    Pincetant to lyre cornüe,
    In a circle, in the beautiful middle of a valley,
    All the first guide the ball
    Digging through the grassy wheel

    When these sub hums shine
    The sweet flames of love,
    The Heroines all around
    From his Latin mouth hang:

    Tibulle and more and more sa Delie
    Dance, holding his hand,
    Corynne lover Rommain,
    And Porperse holds his Cynthia.

    But when its gray worms gather
    The old praises of the Gods,
    The oldest Roman poets
    Beans a son Luc s’emerueillent,

    Dequoy him born on the riuage
    D’Helesponte, sang so well
    That his Thalia has overcome
    Theirs, in their own language.

    Dear soul, for beautiful things
    That in your book there is understood,
    Take these small prized eyelets,
    These beautiful liz, & its beautiful roses.

    Always light be the earth
    To your bones, and to your tomb,
    curling up with my own branch
    Tousiours climbs the Lhierre green.

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    • November 22, 2024 at 9:13 PM
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    I'm posting it here against the day I decide to learn French

    Nice, TauPhi . Here's what I got from ol' Google Translate ^^

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    • November 30, 2024 at 8:36 AM
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    Alexander Ross; Arcana Microcosmi, Book II, Chapter 16; 1652; A rather choleric response to Gassendi's reception of Epicureanism. The text is of no use at all, but the footnotes by James Eason of the University of Chicago elevate the reading experience to high art.

    Ross was in an ongoing literary and intellectual feud with this man;

    Sir Thomas Browne; Hydriotaphia, Chapter 4; 1658; A curious meditation on life and death, with a few lingering paragraphs on Epicurus entombed in the sixth circle of Dante's Inferno:

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    Pythagoras escapes in the fabulous hell of Dante, among that swarm of Philosophers, wherein whilest we meet with Plato and Socrates, Cato is to be found in no lower place then Purgatory. Among all the set, Epicurus is most considerable, whom men make honest without an Elyzium, who contemned life without encouragement of immortality, and making nothing after death, yet made nothing of the King of terrours.

    Were the happinesse of the next world as closely apprehended as the felicities of this, it were a martyrdome to live; and unto such as consider none hereafter, it must be more then death to dye, which makes us amazed at those audacities, that durst be nothing, and return into their Chaos again. Certainly such spirits as could contemn death, when they expected no better being after, would have scorned to live had they known any. And therefore we applaud not the judgment of Machiavel, that Christianity makes men cowards, or that with the confidence of but half dying, the despised virtues of patience and humility, have abased the spirits of men, which Pagan principles exalted, but rather regulated the wildenesse of audacities, in the attempts, grounds, and eternall sequels of death; wherein men of the boldest spirits are often prodigiously temerarious. Nor can we extenuate the valour of ancient Martyrs, who contemned death in the uncomfortable scene of their lives, and in their decrepit Martyrdomes did probably lose not many moneths of their dayes, or parted with life when it was scarce worth the living. For (beside that long time past holds no consideration unto a slender time to come) they had no small disadvantage from the constitution of old age, which naturally makes men fearfull; And complexionally superannuated from the bold and couragious thoughts of youth and fervent years. But the contempt of death from corporall animosity, promoteth not our felicity. They may sit in the Orchestra, and noblest Seats of Heaven, who have held up shaking hands in the fire, and humanely contended for glory.

    Mean while Epicurus lyes deep in Dante’s hell, wherein we meet with Tombs enclosing souls which denied their immortalities. But whether the virtuous heathen, who lived better then he spake, or erring in the principles of himself, yet lived above Philosophers of more specious Maximes, lye so deep as he is placed; at least so low as not to rise against Christians, who beleeving or knowing that truth, have lastingly denied it in their practise and conversation, were a quæry too sad to insist on.

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