A_Gardner Level 01
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    I'm all for it!


    As a fan of practical philosophy, Franklin's Virtues are quite the model for self-development, and can be adapted to most any philosophical or religious outlook, or lack thereof.


    Don't get so caught up in the semantics of his original list. He could be a bit cheeky at times (he in fact was joking about himself in number 13, as he knew believed even imitating Jesus and Socrates would be impossible. He had a good sense of humor on him.)


    For number 12 regarding chastity, it originally read as "Rarely use venery but for health or offspring; never to dullness, weakness, or the injury of your own or another's peace or reputation."


    Honestly considering the times, this is a rather progressive view on sexual relations, as rather than condemn or deny, he seemed to acknowledge that's just what people do.


    Honestly I find his parameters for it to be quite in line with traditional Epicureanism.

    I'll preface my answer with my knowledge of Greek attitudes towards marriage coming from my armchair studies and personal curiosity of Ancient and Hellenistic society.


    With that, it appears for the majority of Greek and Roman history, marriage was based more off of economic arrangements and entanglements rather than preference, pleasure, or passion. This is why both historically and mythologically you see multiple lovers, mistresses, and other forms of what Christians would label as extramarital affairs.


    This being the case, I can see an argument against marriage from the Epicurean perspective, as committing to a relationship due to economic/political reasons would prove itself quite a non-pleasure overall.


    I think in his saying on marriage, there's even the clause in there that may back this opinion up, as (and forgive any butchering as I'm recalling from memory) it states " The wise man will not marry UNLESS social convention demands it so."

    A_Gardner do you also use Mastodon or Pleroma or any "fediverse" app? Along the lines of the original post I would like to establish beachheads in the "open source" world to be sure we are as insulated as possible from censorship. Any thoughts on any of the open source / peer to peer options?

    I actually haven't heard of these apps, so I will have to look into them. I am always on the lookout for such methods of communication and social media options, and would be more than willing to explore them.


    I've been following the Alt Tech thread as well to see developments there.

    A_Gardner I have a twitter account under the name NewEpicurean, but all that ever gets posted there is a mirror of what is posted at NewEpcurean.com, which for the last year has meant nothing but the weekly dates to the Lucretius podcast.


    https://twitter.com/NewEpicurean

    That's definitely a start! Thank you, and I'll be following shortly. I can also retweet your content and hopefully do a little promotion that way if you're alright with that.


    Also, would you be opposed if I shared some of the content from here as an occasional tweet?

    Good morning all!


    I'm running a Twitter account focusing on philosophy, self-improvement, and spirituality and I'm wanting to follow others with such interests.


    In looking for ideas to share and discuss (as much as a tweet allows) I've come across a severe lack of Epicurean philosophy on the site. There's a plethora of Stoic accounts and practitioners, but almost nothing for Epicureanism. I will be upfront and let anyone with interest know that I am an eclectic and post/retweet as such, but Epicurean teachings have had a huge influence in my personal philosophy and I want to find similar minds so that I may connect and promote them as well.


    If anyone has any interest, or know of any public accounts I can follow, I look forward to hearing from you and about them!

    I still believe Discord has one of the highest potentials as an online community.

    You said several things I wanted to comment on A_Gardner and this is one.


    Why do you say this about Discord? Are you referring to the abilities of the platform technologically, or are you referring to the type of person that is a member of the general Discord community. My impression in the past has been that Discord is largely devoted to "gamers." Are you suggesting that that type of community is a good target for an Epicurean community, or is there another reason?

    Similar to as Charles has already mentioned, Discord has grown beyond its gaming roots, with many diverse servers catering towards other topics popping up all the time.

    Basically, if you can think of a topic, there's bound to be a server either dedicated towards it, or including it in its discussion topics, as I mentioned being part of a rather large Stoic server as well, that includes channels for other philosophies.

    Now granted, size of a server does not equal quality of course, but the way this one is organized from top to bottom is impressive and has led to quality discussions and topics despite having a large membership. If you're interested to take a look for yourself to see what I mean by its organization, please let me know and I'll share a link to it (provided you have a Discord of course, otherwise I don't think it will let you view the server).


    Discord also is incredibly accessible and easy to use once it has been set up, allowing for online gatherings, screen sharing, discussions, and all those social features relatively seamlessly, as long as your connection is stable.

    At least in my personal experience, using Reddit & Discord, the Epicurean communities I started there largely ended up as failed experiments with the latter having limited success. I've raised the question for months now about whether or not I should re-do it, and I've spent those months figuring out exactly what went wrong aside from my own quietness time to time within in.


    I still consider it an option, but more restrictions and a better system or organizing role perms would have to be instituted, especially with partnerships and self-plugs on other servers.


    As for Gab and Minds: I agree with Elayne.

    Don't consider them failed, but just an experiment. I still believe Discord has one of the highest potentials as an online community.


    I don't say this as empty encouragement either, but because I'm also a part of a really large Stoic server as well, and they're still flourishing. It may do well to study their server for ideas if you want to try to change up your current Epicurean.


    Your server was a great start, and I take responsibility for the lack of activity since you made me a mod there, however that was a glaring issue in of itself.


    These servers can be a true commitment and need people to actively not only promote but to engage others as well, and a lot of discussion I tend to notice happening was either "dry" academia or people asking questions but responses took too long to happen (as both you and I have been incredibly busy).


    The sense of community and fellowship can feel lacking at times in my opinion, and there's something to be learned from the "Broics" in regards to engagement and community there.


    The catch 22 of this however, is that as a community grows, especially online, voices become drowned out and new hierarchies and "roles" have to be established in order to still keep older members feeling as engaged as newer and/or more active members.

    Thank you for your responses so far, and I'll be sure to come back when I am able to to further refine my question regarding the Epicurean arguments against the Skeptics. Cassius


    When I initially typed it out the other day, I was still embroiled in writing the paper for my philosophy class, where I was to defend the assertions of the Pyrrhonists, that although we can gain enough knowledge in order to act upon our environment, we can never truly know anything for certain. This was at least espoused by later Pyrrhonists in my research, as I'm sure you had those that took it to the logical extreme and became unable to make any decisions if you go down such a rabbit hole! ^^

    That being said, having interest in both science and philosophy, it seems that some ideas of Skepticism in general have not only survived, but became the basis of the scientific method, and it seems that throughout history, fragments of Pyrrhonism have gone hand in hand with Materialism, which historically speaking if they identified as Materialist, they would often trace some of their ideas back Epicurean teachings.

    Good morning all,


    In my current philosophy course I'm having to write a paper on the subject of Philosophical Skepticism. After looking at a brief overview of Pyrrhonism and how Skepticism is used as the basis for the scientific method, I wanted to make a post asking for arguments both for and against this school of thought.


    If I recall correctly, i think I've seen it here mentioned Epicurus was a Dogmatist as his teachings were concerned, so he may have argued against Skepticism, considering they were both Hellenistic schools of philosophy.

    Although not directly regarding censorship from big tech, I do frequently ponder on the ability to "live anonymously" while still engaging with the globally interconnected web and social media.


    There are privacy practices one can put in place of course, but the increasing tendency towards mass surveillance on one hand, coupled with things such as "cancel culture" due to mere disagreements and perceived slights is a bit concerning,

    I'm a big advocate and fan of Discord, and I know I have suggested it before, but I truly do feel that for the needs of a group such as this, it definitely outperforms Skype in utility and ability.


    When I made the notion before, I recall one of the reasons being people were having issues with it. That being an issue, I'd be more than happy to troubleshoot any problems as they arise if people were interested in trying the option of Discord.


    Of course, if people have a natural preference for Skype then that settles that matter, but I did want to suggest again just as a reminder of it as a potential option.

    Journaling during this time has been tremendously helpful. I find not only reflecting on the day to be helpful, but I add a little space for both pleasures to look forward to, pleasures from the past for reflection and to savor, and pleasure i can actively seek or create for the day.


    Granted I've had more time for journaling since taking leave from work, but I've always found ways to write in some shape or form and this style I've currently been able work with has been very conducive to my nature, and hopefully someone else may find it in agreement with theirs as well.

    Thank you for the suggestions and ideas! It also sounds like you have been able to avoid the virus as well and maintain physical health. Cassius


    Although I am more biased towards discord, a group discussion would be something to most definitely consider. I do recall though that some members in the past have had technical issues with discord, so Skype is a good alternative as well. I'll be upfront and say I personally wouldn't use Zoom however. Too many privacy issues with the application.


    As a more introverted individual, my initial go-to pleasures to aid me were things such as extended solitary walks in nature, foods I enjoy, and some moderate exercise to just get back in touch with my physicality. I also maintained a daily meditation habit, as well as pursuing some journal sessions using Tarot cards.


    Now for those who may be of the opinion that meditation and Tarot fall under "woo", I approach them as a framework for personal psychology and reflection. This could very well be a topic in itself however, and to avoid debate about them in this thread, I respect that such approaches to meditation may not be one's cup of tea.

    Now that I have had time to recharge, I have found myself wanting to once again reach out more, especially as I had stepped away from online communities and projects. So I am very thankful that we live in such a time where forums and social media can be of use if mindful of them.

    I think this is where time management will now become a bigger factor, because returning soon to work, I'll have to find ways to fit in these restorative activities within the confines of a strict work schedule, and that's where it gets a bit tricky I think. These activities and pleasures are things that help to make the pains of work more tolerable, and yet this pain is not only a large part of a day (8 waking hours of ones schedule) but as of now a necessity so that I may be able pursue these simple pleasures without anxieties of basic material needs.


    I'd hate to leave this post on a somewhat negative note, but this is the difficulty I am currently coming across.

    Hello all,


    The past couple of weeks have been an absolute roller-coaster for me, so much so have only recently started to use social media and forums again. I'm sure it has been a difficult time for all during this pandemic, and I wish for the good health of all here. Unfortunately, about a week and a half back I started to suffer from severe burnout and fatigue from work and had to distance myself from many online communities I was engaged in, as well as having to cease any and all extraneous projects of passion and curiosity (one being a document me and Charles had planned to work on, as well as an Epicurean focused Instagram project) so that I could dedicate what little free time and energy I had to university coursework.


    I finally hit that edge and took a two weeks leave from work after seeing the symptoms of a breakdown creeping upon me along with falling behind in studies and concerned for my health in general, and took about one week of just being with myself and taking a break from just about any external stimulus to clear my mind and get back in touch with myself again.


    I make this post in hopes of having some discussion regarding Epicurean approaches to these very modern day issues such as mental and physical fatigue from the workplace, and perhaps some remedies towards them? Life continues on and I will be returning to work within the next week, and though the leave has been somewhat restorative, I know that the stresses will always be there, and considering all that is going on, jumping ship from work completely is a bit too risky as of now. Time management is something of a factor as well, because I want to (even if slowly) begin to work on these projects once more.


    Warm regards,


    A Gardner

    I'll set it up tonight then and leave a link to both share and if anyone has any input or suggestions. Thank you Cassius


    Charles I appreciate the offer and will certainly discuss some of the content with you as well. I'll start off slowly at first, but we can link these pieces of content back to both these forums and your Discord server, if you're comfortable with that, as well as the various sites and projects of other members on here.

    I brought this up on Charles Discord server, but I'm on Instagram and can find very little on Epicurean philosophy, as browsing the hashtag brings up results for epicureanism with a little "e" (for all of the foodies). I also follow a couple of Stoic and general philosophy accounts on there, and their posts are generally just a really popular quote with a picture of a bust in the background.


    Considering these things, I am reaching out to both ask if anyone on here may know of some Instagram accounts worth following for interest in Epicurean teachings, and to also gauge interest in the idea itself if none such accounts exist or if they are very few.


    I myself would actually be very interested in starting and maintaining an Instagram account that posts both quotes and passages from Epicurean writers, with visual/audio accompaniment that's related to the topic of said passage used. Even memes would be fine with me. Perhaps I can use and credit/link to sources on this website and others with permission?