Actually, Socrates did not specify of any name of a known god with that deamonion that was speaking to him the truth inside himself. As Xenophon and Plato claim, the deamonion of Socrates was himself who had the power to protect him from troubles and to protect others too, because that deamonion had revealed to him future situations. Wisdom that is based on the divine is not wisdom is prophesy. One day, as Xenophon says, Socrates went to Delphi and took an oracle that was the most wise of all men. And then became ironical with the mob speaking in the center of Agora. The most of the young persons that kept company with him, they took power and became tyrants. So, in more specific way Socrates was a kind of a prophet and martyr. Socrates was provocative and opposite to all these : the established clergy, the laws, the customs, and the mob.
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Greeks believed that the goddess of wisdom was Athena or as the Romans called her as Minerva. There is a remarkable excerpt for this, by Dimitris Liantinis in his book "Gemma".
«Minerva auxiliante, manum etiam admove» that Latin quote says. […Homer repeats this again and again: Ulysses, he stresses, has Athena as his patron saint, the goddess of wisdom. But why are we still talking about Athena, dear reader? Why are we talking about goddesses of wisdom and hot air? His brain was his protector and patron saint. His own thoughts were Athena. His thoughts, clear in their stormy calmness, always expecting the unexpected. His thoughts, nimble like a snake, and terrifying like a panther. Did you ever see knife blades glitter in the darkness? Ulysses would assess each and every difficult situation in the blink of an eye. His brain was a massive complex super-computer. It was this that provided him with a lightning-fast solution to the problem at hand, which he would have considered thoroughly and in all its complexity until its final phase. The one solution, the unthinkable, the excellent. The concept put forward by the Greeks that he was the cleverest of all men and the favourite of Athena-wisdom, incubated exactly this meaning…]
Yes, indeed, now that I wear my supernatural glasses, I see clearly. This face in Raphaels fresco is a close match with the Epicurus bust!
Their arguments were not based on senses and feelings. They were not based on what we see that is similar of what we have nowdays for Epicurus bust. The usage of the epicurean CANON has not been used.
They insisted to preserve those redicule speculations that were spreaded by Popes with some writers about Art and that is : Epicurus in this fresco is that boy with the smirk and has a wreath with vine leafs on his head! This boy, as they say, has the face of a cardinal named Inghirami that was a secretary to the popes, and had a feminine nickname as Pheadra.
Here you can read something about him.
In 1510, Inghirami was appointed Prefect of the Palatine Library. As secretary to the College of Cardinals he served as secretary for the papal conclave of 1513 which elected Pope Leo X. About this time he commissioned Raphael to paint his portrait. He appears in the robes of a canon of St. Peter's Basilica. Raphael had already, in 1509, used Inghirami as the model for the Greek philosopher Epicurus in his fresco The School of Athens for the papal apartments.[c]
He served as secretary of the Fifth Lateran Council under Pope Julius II and, after his death, under Pope Leo X.
Inghirami was overweight at least in his final decades, as shown in Raphael's works. He suffered from strabismus, the failure of the eyes to align, a condition that Raphael disguised in his portrait by focusing his gaze away from the viewer at some unseen superior or inspiration. Contemporary letters hint he was homosexual or state it as plain fact, an interpretation supported by Raphael's "School of Athens" where Inghirami is embraced from behind by a half-hidden male figure, and his unusual feminine nickname of Phaedra.
TOYC ΑCΩΤΟΥC “profligates” οἱ ἄσωτοι–τῶν ἀσώτων: libertines, spendthrifts; a lost case; from ἄσωτος–ἀσώτη–ἄσωτον: having no hope of safety, in desperate case, abandoned, past any hope of recovery. ἄσωτος
I can't find the proper words to narrate my story what means the word "prodigals". This is the word that my lost brother used to say with the greek phrase:"Είμαι ο άσωτος υιός του πατέρα μου" that means "I'm the prodigal son of my father". My brother repeated to say that when his father died (his father was my step-father), and when my brother was 20 years old, while his father left only to him a heritage with (a motel with 7 appartments near the sea, for renting them in the tourist season, many lands, money, cars etc. that was aprox. of the amount of 400.000$). But my brother did not listen to the admonitions of our mother and me as the oldest sister, and had chose the high living with girls, to rent expensive rooms in hotels and appartments, smoking and offering to many friends marichouana and cannabys, offering to them for having together drinks and dinners in expensive bars and restaurants, buying expensive cloths, shoes etc.
In the end, and in just 9 years, he sold all of the heritage with the real estate and run out of money, and with many of my efforts I managed to persuade him to buy only a small appartement next to my home, with a small new car, while my brother in law found to him a job as guard in the security company that my brother in law still works there.
During that time, and as my brother was waiting some legal papers for that job, he found a temporary job that was for sharing ad-leaflets in a near town of where we both were living; and with four other persons, aged 18, 20, 23 my brother aged 29 , along with a driver of a small car that was 45 years old, they started this job.
In the first day, my brother had complained (due to the testimonies of his girlfriend) to the driver to drive more slowly as the driver that was 45 years old, was happy to drive with that small car in dangerous roads with bends and with the speed of 160 km/h!!! The second day, the driver did not listen the complaints of other young guys, and he was still driving with the same speed. In a dangerous bend and while it was raining the driver lost the control of the car and felt on a big truck that was coming from the opposite side of the street, and the car along with all these young men, became all as one mass.
After a week from his death I saw a dream that he was inside a huge library with many books and speaking to me, he was saying loudly: SIS, FIND THE TRUE KNOWLEDGES. I write this now to you, and I'm crying.
In a month I met Epicurus philosophy inside a book store with the book by Irving Yalom entitled in greek "In the Garden of Epicurus-leaving behind the terror of death" . Till now, I did not stop to blame my grand parents, my parents, my teachers and professors inside schools that they did not teach us anything about Epicurus and his philosophy.
And we are talking about the prodigals after that!
Τhis goes to Don by me, as a small winning price on his studies in hellenic language.
I do not find proper words to declare and describing my feelings of pleasure when Don found the huge mistake by Lucretius that was with this phrase: <<ουδέν εξ' ουδενός>> that means "nothing comes from nothing" that was said, by Parmenides.
Instead of the phrase: <<.πρῶτον μὲν ὅτι οὐδὲν γίνεται ἐκ τοῦ μὴ ὄντος>> that said by Epicurus in his LTH that means: "First of all, that nothing is created out of that which does not exist".
Epicurus starts his clear thoughts from the observable and all these that exist since, he does not fall into the trap of the "zero"
and the "nothing" that was done by Parmenides. Epicurus accepts the motion of atoms and bodies, but he does not accept the changing of the Laws of Universe that are called by Phycisists, as fundamental forces. Epicurus does not fall into the trap of an endless cyclical states of how the Universe is created. And this Universe, as the Physicists say, when in 15 billion years it will stop expanding and will be crushed, for Epicurus, if there are the observable to us as first elements/atoms/as particles and the void/ as quantum field, are capable enough with the space (as he was said it as "απειρία" [apiria] that means this that has no boundaries i.e. as we set the North, South, East, West) to re-create another Universe same as this we're living. Thus, for him, and according to his manifold way of thinking there is another possibility among many possibilities in any future some intelligent beings will start their researches on how the material Universe with unumerable Cosmi were created.
Thus, Epicurus with the Canon has set all the credibility in our senses and feelings, and of course the "pre-receivals (greek "προλήψεις") [prolepses] that are accumulated knowledges in the brain that are connecting with the images of the materialistic things of the reality and creating the synapses of neurons.The purpose of new knowledges or the retrieval i.e. the capability of the brain with the memory of all these that are stored in our brain from infancy, as they continue to evolve according to new knowledges of the materialistic reality/the whole Nature are intended and connecting with the goal to not to disturb us mentally and bodily, for being like sheep below the orders of a master/ruler/leader/god with his representatives as clergy and politicians.
<<Mακαρίζω σε, ᾧ Ἀπελλῆ, ὅτι καθαρὸς πάσης παιδείας ἐπὶ φιλοσοφίαν ὥρμησας>>.
<<I congratulate or I consider you blissful, oh Apelles, because you have rushed into (epicurean) philosophy clear (i.e. with clear brain) from all culture>>. - Epicurus
culture means: such patterns-false ideas that our brains have been washed from infancy, with the manipulation of a repeat and repeat, and repeat of false religions, false philosophies and false political ideas.
Synaptic plasticity of the brain
When engaged in new experiences and learning, the brain establishes a series of neural pathways. These neural pathways, or circuits, are routes made of inter-connecting neurons. These routes are created in the brain through daily use and practice; much like a mountain path is made by daily use of a shepherd (e.g. Epicurus as a teacher) and his herd (e.g. friends and students of his school).
The neurons in a neural pathway communicate with each other through connections called synapses, and these communication pathways can regenerate throughout your whole life. Each time that we gain new knowledge (through repeated practice), the synaptic communication between neurons is strengthened. A better connection between the neurons means that the electric signals travel more efficiently when creating or using a new pathway.
For example, when trying to recognize a new bird, new connections are made among specific neurons. Neurons in the visual cortex determine its color, the auditory cortex identifies its song, and other, the name of the bird. In order to know what bird it is, its attributes, its color, song, and name are repeated many times. Revisiting the neural circuit and re-establishing neuronal transmission between the implicated neurons at each new attempt enhances the efficiency of synaptic transmission. Communication between the relevant neurons is facilitated, cognition made faster and faster. Synaptic plasticity is perhaps the pillar on which the brain's amazing malleability rests.
Bryan said : Telling all the people around the world that the gods do not exist is like telling people that they themselves do not feel hunger or pain. They feel it, they know it.
Telling people not for the existence of gods actually. Telling them of how usefull are their preconceptions or anticipations of gods in their daily life. Do gods eliminate their hunger and thirst? Because hunger and thirst need heads and mouths. Nobody saw in the Greek Agora or the Roman Praetorium people judging without heads and speaking without mouths!
Our friend Bryan has correctly said: <<Ἐπίκουρος and Lucretius use the analogy of ‘throwing’ or ‘casting’ the mind (as though the mind were something like a net). Put simply, animī iniectus and ἡ επιβολή τῆς διανοίας are equivalent to our modern use of ‘attention.'>>
Wow, yes, that’s it ! This is the networks of the brain (please see the picture).
Who is Epicurus and Lucretius ? Nobody...so bury both of them inside the ground, and as deep as you can.
And that is because, here (in the picture) is the true knowledge by "holy" men who the only thing want from us is to keep the whole of our attention, and keeping as such, through repeated practice, through repeated practice, through repeated practice.
1st dogma: God is so Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Omnipresent for he created not only you, but the whole Universe!
2nd dogma: There is an afterlife in heavens. In heavens you will eliminate your hunger and thirst for Justice.
The "holy" men say: “Let the little children come to me. Don’t stop them, because the kingdom of God belongs to people who are like these Children".
Children that will remain till the end of their life as children who are afraid in the Darkness!
<<Life is sweet and death is darkness>> as a greek poet said!
Sweet in greek language is synonym with the word <<ηδύς>> that means pleasant!
Those "holy" men... what are they fighting against? The sweetness of life i.e. the pleasure and the life itself!
So, these children that remain children till the end of their life, are living in pain and are dying in pains.
Sorry, being Hellene, I piss upon the graves of the emperors CONSTANTINE, THEODOSIUS, EUDOXIA and LEO III, the Isaurian that lived in the byzantine era!
<<We modern Greeks resemble our ancient ancestors only in form. But the mass, this m the physicists talk about, is utterly Jewish. And the space, the spatium or this s the physicists talk about, within which the de-Hellenisation of the Greeks took place, is Christian Byzantium. And the time, the tempus or the t the physicists talk about, within whose duration the process of Jew-ification of the Greeks took place, stretches from the time of Emperor Theodosius until this very day. Theodosius destroyed temples, ravaged ancient statues, closed down stadiums, theatres, Greek schools. All the sources that were the lifestream of the Hellenic way of life. This is why he is remembered as “the Great”. Which is the way his predecessor, Constantine, is also remembered. The Caesar who murdered his own wife and son. And they were first called “Great” by those who also called “Great” the Emperors Athanasius, Basil and all their ilk. Destroyers, forgers, vandals of the Hellenic idea. But there is another voice, persistently whispering from the shadows, that all the brutalities the Christians inflicted upon the Greeks mean nothing in the end for those that did not become Jewish-Greeks but remained Hellenic-Greeks. It rises from a distant place and is only heard by a few:
Just because we tore their statues down, (along with the inscription by Diogenis of Oinoanda)
and cast them from their temples, does not mean that the gods are dead.
This is the poet Cavafy, dear reader, not some miser. Not some invented god. And the poem is called Ionian. It is not called Cherubicon. The dissolution and extinguishing of the classical Greek by Jewish-minded Christians lasted from the time of Theodosius until the time of Empress Eudoxia. Up to 843AD, with the official restitution of the icons. This holiday in the Orthodox calendar is celebrated annually since then, at the beginning of Spring! It is a grandiose celebration attended by state officials and foreign dignitaries. Viewed from a positive perspective, it symbolizes the triumph of Christianity. But viewed from its negative perspective, it represents the utter destruction of everything Greek. It is the tombstone of the Hellenic idea.
The last stand of the moderate “Greek” against the Asian monstrosity was through Leo III, the Isaurian. He got up one morning and realized that half the population of the empire had taken up the cloth and were having a splendid time. Then, like Jesus at the temple, he began what came to be known as the Iconomachy. That story reached its sad conclusion with the light defeated and darkness triumphant. With the Sunday of Orthodoxy and the appearance of the modern Greek identity. So Greeks only by name and superficially. And Jews to the bone, the blood, the heart, the intestines and the bile. Herein lies the key, the reason and the cause of the national schizophrenia>>.
Liantinis Dimitris book "Gemma"
Those "intuitive apprehensions of the mind" is the imagined images, patterns, and motives that some epicureans like Philodemus, added after Epicurus era. This was all that food of philosophies by Hegel, Kant and Spinoza. The food that does not eliminate our hunger where is the false and where is the right.
They tried to connect the reality with the imagination of patterns. And the only they tried to do is to unite the rationalism with the empiricism,, but the result was that led the humanity in WARS.
From a latest work of my epicurean friend Dimitris Altas, that is a Dr. cardiologist.
Kant and Spinoza believed that starting from some fundamental principles such as mathematical axioms and logical principles along with innate ideas and only with "correct reason" one could acquire all possible Knowledge! In fact, Spinoza's rationality is absolute! He claims that human thought is capable of knowing God perfectly!
That is, it supports the logical approach of the metaphysical/supernatural. Nevertheless, Hegel argued that only with "correct reason" was it not only possible to understand human history, but also to predict its future course! This idea moved Karl Marx, who decided to use Hegel's Philosophy as a basis for his own theory, removing the metaphysical element with controversial results after maintaining its metaphysical determinism. Not even with Hegel's determinism did the shirt has been filled of what methodology we have to use for finding right conclusions. This shirt was still empty!
In the end, Immanuel Kant decided that if we found a way to combine Rationalism with Empiricism, there will be no end! But the unification of Empiricism with Rationalism seemed a bit like the unification of quantum mechanics with the theory of relativity! It may seem obvious to you, but in the field of Philosophy it is not! Correct calculus no longer had to be umbilical, but to analyze data from the experiences. But how does the raw data of the senses become experiences? Kant would have saved enough gray matter if he had been focused to the Epicurean Canon! Obviously, he did not do that! The menu may no longer have innate Ideas, but it had pre-installed innate molds, to which the mind adapted the raw data of the senses so that the right reason could process with them! He called the molds supervisions and categories in the context of a rather difficult and vague explanation with several metaphysical implications. Kant is considered the most important representative of German Philosophy who has always remained an Idealist, except Nietzsche.
With the Physics, the Ethics and above all with the usage of CANON/senses/feelings along with all of our observations that are testified in the reality with the phenomena as they proceed... we the epicureans of our era and in the 21st century, we say boldly :
"Tους θεούς ουδ' υπάρχειν λέγομεν".
And this means, we say that gods do not exist!
We do not need any image of Gods to be prudent, fair and honest, for living pleasantly. The PD 5 is clear.
The only we need is to elimante our painful feelings of loneliness, depression, and the overconsumption, for creating more friendly societies.
Religions, political, and eonomical ideologies do not unite us in our societies. Only friendship with our frank criticism, and knowledges that are based on the help/benefit of scienctific findings and all measured through senses and feelings.
My dear friend Bryan, good day.
Sorry, I have an objection for the above text by Philodemus, he tries to prove with a similarity with atoms and void the existence of gods and in the basis of "questions". This reminds me, the cunning of the methodology of dialectics by Socrates and Plato and specifically on the issue of science.
Please see the picture!
And a few words for Mr. Dawkins. I remember that a few years ago, I had made a post on FB.
If you would like watch in the above link a video at the Youtube and answer this question :
<<WHY WE ARE HERE>> ?
This was one of the main questions that is dominated in this video at the youtube of a debate among the scientist Mr. Richard Dawkins and a Catholic priest. The Catholic priest gave the same banal answer, which is to live virtuously in accordance to ten commandments by an almighty God that has been invented by the minds of some persons. Persons that were lived and still are living in different places and as they keep their own interests they also claiming that their God is the only absolute true God, who is under their interpretation of how to live in accordance of his absolute justice.
In this rhetorical question WHY WE ARE HERE ?? It is here also that we can understand that the whole point is missing. That outstanding scientist Mr. Dawkins has to read more and more philosophy and especially the Epicurean one. I urge him, with respect, to read Epicurus and Lucretius every night in his bed.
Because he has demonstrated here that he can't answer this question properly. He has demonstrated that the science exist only for the science itself. He has point out where is the huge gap. And the huge gap as a trap is when the science goes by itself without Philosophy.
Thus, he separated the science from ethics, and this happens in that point in which he agrees to say that the Darwinian theory of evolution is not suggested by him for placing us values or virtues on ΗΟW to live.
Wrong Mr. Dawkins, if you connect the Darwinian theory of evolution with ethics you will realize clearly, how the human beings had evolved and escpecially how they had survived. And you would see also that the most adaptive has survived in Nature. This means that the clever specie which can preserve its genes can survive in Nature. How the human beings had preserved their genes ? Where is their cleverness ? On making such kind of societies with such kind of contracts within the majority of the persons understand and agreed that the solidarity and the friendship among them is something that can preserve them in life, against wild animals, earthquakes, plagues, famines, floods, diseases etc. Our specie, the human being, has proved with historical evidences that when we made social agreements to not harm each other, it was something that is PLEASING us and making us living a happy life. Ηuman's life, which is infront of the eternity, has a duration of a nanosecond. And this duration of a time does not deserve to be wasted of endless rhetorical and meaningless questions which are leading to the infinity.
Why we are here, mr. Dawkins ? IMO the only proper response is this : Το fullfill our purpose, our end, our aim in life as set by the Nature and the evidences of evolution as occured by every individual person that is able to cooperate with others. And the human virtues, which are three or four in number, are THE MEANS for the achievement of this goal that is pleasure. Because if all the virtues would be connected with this goal of PLEASURE, EVERYBODY of US can live a pleasant, blissful and happy life. So simple is the response Mr. Dawkins.
By the way, Mr. Dawkins, here is something of Diogenis of Oinoanda inscription that may would help you to give in future the proper response infront of an audience :
<<Here is the point at issue between the other philosophers and the Epicureans. If we were both inquiring into, “what is the means of happiness?” and the other philosophers wanted to say, “the virtues,” (which would actually be true), it would not be necessary for us to take any other step than to agree with them.
But the issue is not, “what is the means of happiness?” The issue is, “what is happiness?” Or, in other words, “What is the ultimate goal of our nature?”
I say both now, and always, shouting out loudly, to all Greeks and non-Greeks, that pleasure is the highest end of life!
The virtues, which are turned upside down by other philosophers, who transfer the virtues from “the means” to “the end”, are in no way the end in themselves! The virtues are not ends in themselves, but only the means to the end that Nature has set for us!
This we affirm to be true in the strongest possible terms, and we take it as our starting point for how men should live.>>
For Lucretius is the blame as he confused Parmenides with Epicurus.
But by observing Nature and her laws. And this will lay
The warp out for us—her first principle: that nothing's brought
Forth by any supernatural power out of naught.
For certainly all men are in the clutches of a dread—
Beholding many things take place in heaven overhead
Or here on earth whose causes they can't fathom, they assign
The explanation for these happenings to powers divine.
Nothing can be made from nothing—once we see that's so,
Already we are on the way to what we want to know.
He then continues on discussing how matter is required to make matter and that objects cannot spring forth without reasonable cause.
For if things were created out of nothing, any breed
Could be born from any other; nothing would require a seed.
People could pop out of the sea, the scaly tribes arise
Out of the earth, and winged birds could hatch right from the skies.
Born willy-nilly, every animal, both wild and tame,
Would inhabit cultivated land and wilderness the same.
The same tree would not always grow the same fruit—what might bear
An apple one time, might, the next, produce a quince or pear.
Since there would be no generating particles, then neither
Would certain things arise from only a certain kind of mother.
But since in fact each species rises from specific seeds,
Each thing springs from the source that has the matter that it needs,
The primary particles, and comes into the boundaries
Of light, and that's the reason every thing cannot give rise
To every other thing, because there is a separate power
In distinct things.
Thank you very much Don. I very much appreciate that you did save my language, for which the english speaking claiming that is mysterious sounding and exotic!! Βut I do not misunderstand them, something similar was said by Lucretius, when he wondered how he would understand and how he could write in latin, about the dark meanings that are corresponded to the words of the Hellenes?
Silence in church
The letters of Paul, dated to the middle of the first century AD, were written to specific communities in response to particular questions or problems. Paul was in Ephesus around the year 56 when he received disquieting news regarding the church at Corinth. Factionalism had developed. At the fellowship meal some got drunk while others were left hungry. There seemed to be a preference for ecstatic prayer at the expense of works of charity, with a number of members all "speaking in tongues" at the same time. It was apparently reported to him that women were appearing at the assembly without the head covering customary in contemporary Greek society, and may have been arguing over their right to address the assembly. The fledgling community appeared to be in disorder.
Corinthians 14:33-35(NIV) states:Quote"As in all the congregations of the Lord’s people. Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church."
A few words about the quantum vacuum.
The quantum field theory proposed by modern physics forces us to abandon the classical distinction between vacuum and matter, especially since it has been shown that elementary particles can be born spontaneously from vacuum with the proper supply of energy. Emptiness is nothing, it is not non-being! Instead, it contains, potentially, an unlimited number of particles that are created and disappear non-stop. The void is actually a living void! The void has ceased to be considered the passive and non-participatory context of the play of natural phenomena and is recognized as a dynamic state of paramount importance.
I was surprised to find just yesterday that Epicurus in his Epistle to Herodotus refers to the void with the term "nature non palpate/untouched". It is indeed difficult to imagine how an ancient philosopher who knew nothing at all about quantum phenomena, thought of referring to the void as "nature", that is, something that exists and is obviously related to the other "nature of tangible things", even if it is not palpate/untouched!
The motion of particles in a world of probabilities.
Each particle can be described as a moving or stationary "wave packet", while the amplitude of a wave in a space over a period of time is related to the probability of finding the particle in that space at that time. Thus, two quantum particles that are ejected by the same device, under the same initial conditions, can make different paths and end up in two different places. Or two identical nuclei will split at very different times, or even into different particles.
Lucretius in "On the nature of things" De rerum natura: "… When atoms carry their own weight in a straight line down into space, at indefinite moments and in indefinite places, they deviate somewhat from their trajectory, only to the extent that you can say that the movement has changed their. "Without this deviation, everything would be directed like raindrops parallel to the three depths of the vacuum, and no contact, no collision would be made between the original elements, and so nature would not create anything ...".
Feynman: “A philosopher once said, "It is necessary for the very existence of science that the same conditions always produce the same results." Well, they don't!”
Modern Physics has enriched our perceptions with many new concepts and has greatly deepened or differentiated the old ones. The world continues to be described by atoms, but also elementary particles and quanta, all of which have structure, quantum behavior and relativistic motion, dynamics and materiality.
The existence of discontinuity in matter is what allows the formation of structures in space. The diversity of the cosmos presupposes the existence of small material parts that in combination do the things we perceive. The ability to enumerate and combine building blocks is also the basis of mathematics, that is, the understanding and conception of the world on a more abstract level.
Structures are not only in space, but they are also in time. An example of a spatially structured entity is a simple stone, but also an entire cave with stalactites and stalagmites. An example of a time-structured entity is a simple note, but also an entire symphonic music play. The objects of the world have at the same time spatial and temporal substance and structure, that is, they are living phenomena and they fill us with admiration!
From the Book: The moment of quantum - Alfred Goldhaber (theoretical physics) Robert Crease (history and philosophy of science) - ROPI Publications, 2015
“What we need is a Lucretius who will be baptized in the source of Einstein, Schrödinger and Heisenberg, to compose a modern "De Rerum Natura" and to interpret the mystery and beauty that are inside and beyond the electron and space … »
Source: New York Times, 1930
An excerpt of a work entitled: “For the understanding of Nature on the scale of the microcosm”.
Tassos Liolios April 22, 2019
Professor of Department of Nuclear Physics and Elementary Particle Physics Department of Physics, and of Sciences in Aristotle University of Thessaloniki
Epicurus resisted the idea that the scientific experts of his day should be the ultimate authority on issues where no direct evidence was possible, and I think the same approach is valid today.
Cassius sorry, in the era of Epicurus there were not scientific experts, but astrologers, and charlatans. Only Aristotle had had a credit, but for Aristotle the purpose was the knowledges for the knowledges themselves and not to bring the knowledges in the real life with actions and on how we should live. Besides Aristotle used the methodology of dialectics. He did not leave behind his teacher Plato, and he spoke with frankness of speech to Plato, when Plato did not pass to Aristotle the leadership of his academia, but in one of his nephews, and then Aristotle has to establishe the Lyceum and the Peripatetic school.
Epicurus if was alive in our days first he would find FRIENDS, they will read all together many of the scientific papers on materialism, they will writting whole books and papers to help many of scientists for finding the obvious. He would strongly argue only this: that from Physiology i.e. all sciences that ALL are using till now the CANON, they have to be connected and with Ethics and with the goal of pleasure. This is the issue with many of the scienctists - not all - they do not know what is the true philosophy. Usually they discover it in old age, and when the issue on death is approaching.
Im really sorry but the communication/contact through a machine i.e. a computer or a telephone or a skype and without any camera, can't produce strong bonds of friendship and FEELINGS. The machines have no feelings and they do not produce feelings. It is just a tool and does not lead to the real goal.
Where the friendship is based on ? Where do you looking for the friendship? On the ideas and theories ? Sorry, the conversations on philosophical ideas only do not lead to the real goal.
From Physics: atoms repulshing, swerving, colliding for the creation of many Cosmi ====> to Canon:: hedonic calculus through senses, feelings and prolepsis===>to Ethics: common benefit/frankness of speech sharing knowledges and things with personal and non personal meetings, generosity, bravery.
The issue starts from Physics, is measured through the Canon and ends in Ethics, and it's: the creation of many Cosmi/friendships/communities/societies with real persons, as real as the atoms are !
Do you think that Epicurus established the Garden and maintained it as such, in the basis of theories only or mostly in trusted humans with blood and bones?
Why was the happenings of celebrations in every 20th and of birthdays?
What means exaclty the attached photo with the letter to Themista ?
Epicurus was clear in ES 78: The wisdom/knowledges is a mortal good, i.e. they will die within us and with us. Friendship is an immortal good.
ES 18. Remove sight, association, and contact and the passion of love/friendship is at an end.
fg. 457 Passion for true philosophy destroys every disturbing and troublesome desire
For hellenic language the words love/eros and friendship are synonyms.
For Epicurus the love for our philosophy is an erotic emotion!
E.S. 66 We support our friends not by mourning but by caring for them.
Sorry, but you will fall in the same trap of my fellow Greeks here, who they endlessly spoke through emails about the ideas, and in the end, the only they left as real friends was not even an idea.
Epicurean philosophy is measured and applied only with the experiences/actions in the real life. Please do not leave it in laboratory conditions or in the hands of academics.