I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus, in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that “that indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided.” Your love of repose will lead, in its progress, to a suspension of healthy exercise, a relaxation of mind, an indifference to everything around you, and finally to a debility of body, and hebetude of mind, the farthest of all things from the happiness which the well-regulated indulgences of Epicurus ensure; fortitude, you know is one of his four cardinal virtues. That teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them, like cowards; and to fly, too, in vain, for they will meet and arrest us at every turn of our road. Weigh this matter well; brace yourself up....
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Kalosyni
September 10, 2026 at 3:06 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
No, just loosely in that if someone observes the world and starts labeling various things as "an illusion" then it creates ideas such as: "we just can't know much about the world because it is all just an illusion".
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DaveT
September 10, 2026 at 9:36 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
Do you mean classical skepticism? How so.
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Kalosyni
September 10, 2026 at 8:50 AM Replied to the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).PostIn the opening paragraph of the Letter to Menoeceus it says:
"We must then meditate on the things that make our happiness, seeing that when that is with us we have all, but when it is absent we do all to win it."
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Joshua
September 9, 2026 at 11:04 PM Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.PostThe links should be correct now! -
Cassius
September 9, 2026 at 5:49 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
And this is one situation in which I would agree with them. Doesn't help anything for me to restate it, but this is where I find the whole deterministic-laced idea of psychological hedonism a very unproductive path and something I too do not take… -
Cassius
September 9, 2026 at 5:18 PM Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.PostLucretius Today Podcast Episode 350 is now available: "Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life"
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Kalosyni
September 9, 2026 at 2:53 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
I would guess here that the issue has to do with Platonic philosophy, and most of the time religious ideas are built on ideas of striving for absolution perfection. So the word of caution is to be wary when you are agreeing with anything that holds… -
Kalosyni
September 9, 2026 at 2:40 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
I think that what is being said here in this paragraph is swinging a bit too far into skepticism. And I have quite a bit of trouble with the word "illusion"...as anything that is labeled an illusion is assumed to actually not exist.
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Robert
September 9, 2026 at 2:19 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
Dave, my thoughts exactly. Except you've expressed them far more succinctly!
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Robert
September 9, 2026 at 2:14 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
I agree that the essays raise interesting questions. Like hard determinism, evolutionary psychology presents some challenges that just about any philosophical position has to respond to.
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DaveT
September 9, 2026 at 11:07 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
Speaking frankly as Epicurus advised; I think this phrasing is not a helpful way of addressing the individual search for knowledge. Yes, evaluation of one's beliefs should be an ongoing project. Epicurus learned from Democritus on atoms, and the… -
Cassius
September 9, 2026 at 10:17 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
Yes I agree that it is very helpful to engage with criticisms, and that's why we do the podcast the way we do. HOWEVER I would stress this -- we never intentionally raise an opposing argument without presenting the Epicurean response in the same… -
Kalosyni
September 9, 2026 at 8:17 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostI just posted an article over in this other thread, which in my opinion is a more contructive take on key Epicurean questions: what is happiness, and what are the things which are needed to produce it.
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Kalosyni
September 9, 2026 at 8:12 AM Posted the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).ThreadI found this article (which may possibly already be on the forum in another thread) and thought it might be good to discuss. (Published February 2023)
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Health, Hope, and Harmony: A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness across… -
Matteng
September 8, 2026 at 6:12 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostWow thanks for all your responses.
Robert yes I have read "Why Buddhism is True" and viewed some videos.
I like challenging articles like these; they allow one to examine and defend—or rethink—one’s own ideas and attitudes, as well as to develop… -
DaveT
September 8, 2026 at 3:57 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostFollowing up with the second essay. I suppose I need help here. I started to read it, but my nose started itching. It itches when I think someone is just repeating the bogey man, average person as the typical human who doesn't understand the basic human… -
DaveT
September 8, 2026 at 3:47 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostRobert I appreciate your analysis; I think you're trying to find the kernel of truth that Pinsoff is using in the first essay to make his case. Yes?
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Kalosyni
September 8, 2026 at 1:07 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".Post[…]
Just some free-roaming thoughts:
Regarding habituation...Pizza...I don't think he (the author) is taking into consideration that eating pizza when genuinely hungry will almost always bring a certain amount of pleasure. Also, if a person enjoys driving… -
Cassius
September 8, 2026 at 6:39 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostRobert thank you for your comments there. I felt sure when I was reading through those articles that there was a point to be dealt with despite the off-putting language. Your analysis of the article seems to track what parts I did follow as I was… -
Robert
September 7, 2026 at 4:02 PM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostMatteng I found these provocative (in a good way). Have you read any of Robert Wright's books? The Moral Animal was a memorable read for me.
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Kalosyni
September 7, 2026 at 11:33 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostI recommend this book, for anyone interested in increasing their optimism and positivity:
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Kalosyni
September 7, 2026 at 11:09 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostFirst off, I think that this blogger has a hidden agenda, when he uses the word "bullsh*t". And his choice of words hints that he is basically an unhappy person looking for why he isn't feeling happy in life. It makes it hard for me to want to even spend… -
Cassius
September 7, 2026 at 7:39 AM Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".PostJust for what it's worth, The final paragraph of the second article:
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As with this final paragraph, my reading of both articles is mostly that they are coarse. There's no positive message here in this last word, just coarseness for the sake of… -
Matteng
September 6, 2026 at 4:35 PM Posted the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".ThreadHi, there are 2 Essays I keep thinking about for a long time.
I think it deals with a provocative critique of a naive view and approach regarding "Happiness". The whole Substack of David Pinshof seems to have the goal to be paradox and provocative but… -
Cassius
September 6, 2026 at 11:21 AM Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.PostToday we are spending much of the episode discussing Patrikios' comments here:
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Cassius
ThreadSeptember 6, 2026 at 7:16 AM Welcome to Episode 350 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the… -
Cassius
September 5, 2026 at 9:14 PM Replied to the thread Episode 348 - EATAQ30 - Neither Logic Nor Logos Are Shortcuts To Truth.Post[…]
Yes I think that's exactly the point, and while it seems so easy to understand that flux shouldn't cause us to turn to nihilism, it seems like on occasion that's exactly what happens. -
Patrikios
September 5, 2026 at 2:54 PM Replied to the thread How SMART Fitness Goals Keep You On Track.Post[…]
Godfrey ,
Congratulations on continuing your exercise program with scheduled classes and a workout buddy. One additional way I found to stack exercise sessions into habits was to watch and follow a 15 minute Tai Chi warmup on YouTube, before… -
Patrikios
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sanantoniogarden
September 5, 2026 at 11:42 AM Posted the thread Feelings Precede Reason/Rational Reflection.Threadhttps://www.noemamag.com/the-tantalizin…s-in-the-brain/
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Robert
September 5, 2026 at 11:05 AM Replied to the thread Discussion of Article - "Epicurus And The Pleasure Of Rebelling Against Plato".PostCassius -Yes, I think you're likely correct. Erasmus and so on were intelligent, well-read, and rational people, and thus had a motive for fashioning an intelligent, well-read, and rational Christianity.
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Godfrey
September 4, 2026 at 8:32 PM Replied to the thread How SMART Fitness Goals Keep You On Track.PostKalosyni So far my new regimen is going well. It's only been about six weeks, but I've replaced my usual solo workouts with a couple of different exercise classes, each a couple of times per week. I've also got a workout buddy (who happens to be my… -
Martin
September 4, 2026 at 12:15 PM Replied to the thread How SMART Fitness Goals Keep You On Track.PostConcentration during exercising at the gym is a must at stations where lack of concentration constitutes a safety hazard, e.g. when working out with heavy weights or when making movements close to others in a densely packed gym.
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Kalosyni
September 4, 2026 at 10:44 AM Replied to the thread Good General Reference Post Contrasting Buddhism with Epicurus.PostFrom the article in post 14:
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Buddhism says life is suffering, but here the author of the article is saying something that really prompts me to contemplate more: the idea that humans are hooked on obsession over suffering. And related to that then… -
Kalosyni
September 4, 2026 at 10:29 AM Replied to the thread Good General Reference Post Contrasting Buddhism with Epicurus.PostThank you, Matteng ...he mentions Epicurus!
Here are some quotes from the article:
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Kalosyni
September 4, 2026 at 8:37 AM Replied to the thread How SMART Fitness Goals Keep You On Track.PostMatteng My hunch is that for an Epicurean the "pain" isn't quite as painful compared to the Stoic, since there is an anticipation on the future well-being and pleasure that will result. The Epicurean is sensitive to the body and isn't in competition… -
Matteng
September 3, 2026 at 4:30 PM Replied to the thread Understanding Confirmation Bias.PostI think he would emphasize to reflect and compare with sensation/evidence/facts even when it pains. Clear conceptions give more sustainable Pleasure.
VS46. Let us utterly drive from us our bad habits, as if they were evil men who have long done us great … -
Matteng
September 3, 2026 at 4:20 PM Replied to the thread How SMART Fitness Goals Keep You On Track.PostThank you Kalosyni
It’s great that you’re bringing up topics related to personal development. I feel that often gets lost when defending the idea that pleasure—not virtue—is the goal. Yet virtue (which often means choosing pain) is the most… -
Cassius
September 3, 2026 at 1:11 PM Replied to the thread Episode 349 - EATAQ31 - Navigating Questions of Knowledge With Ships and Heaps.PostLucretius Today Podcast Episode 349 is now available: "Navigating Questions of Knowledge With Ships And Heaps”
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Matteng
September 3, 2026 at 12:27 PM Replied to the thread Good General Reference Post Contrasting Buddhism with Epicurus.PostToday I recognized some similiarities by this Essay
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Kalosyni
September 3, 2026 at 9:32 AM Posted the thread Understanding Confirmation Bias.ThreadWhat would Epicurus think about how "confirmation bias" describes our underlying tendency to notice, focus on, and give greater credence to evidence that aligns with our existing beliefs.
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Kalosyni
September 3, 2026 at 8:41 AM Replied to the thread Good General Reference Post Contrasting Buddhism with Epicurus.PostEarly schools of Buddhism would have been in agreement with Epicurean atomism.
Here is an overview, with regard to the material existence of things:
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Cassius
September 3, 2026 at 8:36 AM Replied to the thread Discussion of Article - "Epicurus And The Pleasure Of Rebelling Against Plato".Post[…]
Or are they more Christians who understand the weakness of their own logic using Epicurus' more compelling logic for cover?
This is where it all comes back to Diogenes of Oinoanda's point - what IS happiness? If you redefine the meaning of pleasure… -
Robert
September 2, 2026 at 11:16 PM Replied to the thread Discussion of Article - "Epicurus And The Pleasure Of Rebelling Against Plato".Post[…]
Christian ataraxia, eh?
Yes, very intrigued by this text--and thank you for extricating that crucial passage. I've only just skimmed the rest at this point, but I notice that our buddy Hedonius starts off by rejecting Stoicism and the Peripatetics… -
Cassius
September 2, 2026 at 8:31 AM Replied to the thread Welcome EpicuriousDavid!.PostNo specific discussions come to mind at the moment. I know we've mentioned many times that in regard to Menoeceus it makes a big difference that the recipient would have been a student who understood the basics, and therefore did not need to have EVERY… -
Julia
September 2, 2026 at 7:41 AM Commented on the image Epicurus Teaching Natural Physics.Comment (Image/Video)Corresponding excerpt from Eikadistes' translation on twentiers.com:
Nothing from Nothing
It is necessary to understand these [conjectures] were already determined on account of the unseen: first indeed, that nothing is being generated out of that which is… -
EpicuriousDavid
September 2, 2026 at 12:51 AM Replied to the thread Welcome EpicuriousDavid!.PostIs there a discussion anywhere about the mode in which the letters were composed?
To elaborate, my understanding is that letters at the time would be written as a normal letter or a ‘letter’ really intended for a broader audience distribution,… -
Godfrey
September 1, 2026 at 11:28 PM Replied to the thread How SMART Fitness Goals Keep You On Track.PostThanks Kalosyni , this is timely (no pun intended). I've recently amped up my exercise regimen and this is helpful for thinking through how best to persist through my growing pains in order to maximize my resulting pleasures
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Joshua
September 1, 2026 at 6:10 PM Replied to the thread Discussion of Article - "Epicurus And The Pleasure Of Rebelling Against Plato".PostRobert , you might be interested in a dialogue by Desiderius Erasmus called The Epicurean. That's not a great version of the text to read from, but unfortunately I'm not at home at the moment. Here's a seminal passage from a cleaner text:
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SillyApe
September 1, 2026 at 11:39 AM Replied to the thread Discussion of Article - "Epicurus And The Pleasure Of Rebelling Against Plato".Post[…]
This is a major problem with religious beliefs in general: They start from abstract assumptions first, so you can fit anything into them, even if it sounds contradictory.
For example, I live in a highly religious country. When something bad happens,…
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