I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus, in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that “that indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided.” Your love of repose will lead, in its progress, to a suspension of healthy exercise, a relaxation of mind, an indifference to everything around you, and finally to a debility of body, and hebetude of mind, the farthest of all things from the happiness which the well-regulated indulgences of Epicurus ensure; fortitude, you know is one of his four cardinal virtues. That teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them, like cowards; and to fly, too, in vain, for they will meet and arrest us at every turn of our road. Weigh this matter well; brace yourself up....
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Kalosyni
October 14, 2026 at 7:17 PM Replied to the thread The Full Epicurean Reasoning Regarding a Material Universe.PostCreating a concise explanation would also be the basis and reasoning behind recognizing that the soul is mortal and that the gods are indifferent.
This might be of interest: Chapter 2 - "Atomic Worlds" of Catherine Wilson's book Epicureanism: A Very Short… -
Kalosyni
October 14, 2026 at 6:43 PM Posted the thread The Full Epicurean Reasoning Regarding a Material Universe.ThreadI wanted to start this thread so that we can create a concise explanation of the reasoning from start to finish about how we come to understand that the universe is a material universe. This would be based on both Letter to Pythocles and Letter to… -
Cassius
October 13, 2026 at 9:05 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.Post[…]
To really hone in on the issue, we probably need to be very clear about what it would mean "to be the same cat." I presume that two cats might be absolutely identical in every way, even potentially in experience, but the key issue is whether THEY… -
kochiekoch
October 13, 2026 at 7:45 PM Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.Post[…]
Talking to ourAI's?! 🤖Sounds crazy! 😄 -
kochiekoch
October 13, 2026 at 7:13 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostGood point!
CC the cat was apparently her own cat, with an entirely different personality than Rainbow, her colorful progenitor. No doubt largely from different life experiences and environmental influences. CC lived the life of a well taken care of… -
Cassius
October 13, 2026 at 5:57 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.Post[…]
Yes i think that's part of the picture, of which I think there are at least two parts.
(1) Differences in atomic combinations will be almost astronomically impossible to duplicate.
(2) But, given the infinity of space and the eternality of time, it is… -
Cassius
October 13, 2026 at 5:43 PM Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.Post[…]
I would say it is, and also similar to what Jefferson said to William Short about the pitfalls of giving in to indolence, as per the quote currently on the forum's front page. -
Cassius
October 13, 2026 at 5:38 PM Posted the thread Welcome MarcyRIzzi.ThreadWelcome marcyrizzi , who tells us:
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kochiekoch
October 13, 2026 at 5:23 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostThis episode reminds me of a story. The very first pet ever cloned was named CC, for Copy Cat or Carbon Copy. It surprised me in that CC had a different coat other than her progenitor. Being genetically identical, you'd think it would be the same. Small… -
Patrikios
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Patrikios
October 13, 2026 at 2:34 PM Replied to the thread Criticism of Dewitt's interpretation of Principal Doctrine 5..Post[…]
Thanks, DaveT .
I find that the ‘School of Hard Knocks’ provides a pretty reliable prolepsis for future decision making; especially when taken as a ‘Lifelong Learning’ experience. -
Cassius
October 12, 2026 at 7:33 PM Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.PostI haven't read through the latest posts to comment too closely but I think as to the general point of the usefulness of discussing things with AI I am finding that the quality of the result is highly dependent on the quality of the input. But as to the… -
Kalosyni
October 12, 2026 at 7:06 PM Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.Post[…]
So then Patrikios would it be correct to say that your question to the AI was to "create an example of a self-help technique with the use of preconceptions (prolepsis) to aid in decision making?"
I used ChatGPT with the query: "create an example of… -
Patrikios
October 12, 2026 at 4:26 PM Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.PostI like to use my Personal.AI philosophy persona to discuss ideas or articles further in-depth. This often helps me find ways to apply the Epicurean principle in daily life. This helps reinforce the truth of the principle in my life, and allows me to… -
Cassius
PostOctober 12, 2026 at 2:44 PM Yes, and I almost stayed away from mentioning "illusions" entirely, because i think the basic point is first "what is it that we are seeing" and "how do we decide that we see a "square" and "what is it we are labeling as a square.
We could use other words… -
Bryan
PostOctober 12, 2026 at 2:08 PM As far as I can tell, in this video, our eyes are seeing a square. A stable square does appear in the movement as the background moves from left to right.
We are calling it a "square" because the shape we are seeing fits our preconception/basic… -
Cassius
ThreadOctober 12, 2026 at 11:45 AM I don't see that we currently have a a thread devoted to the relationship between optical phenomena, like the attached video, and how they relate to anticipations / prolepsis.
In this example, when you play the video you see pretty clearly the outline of… -
sanantoniogarden
October 11, 2026 at 5:34 PM Replied to the thread New Advancement on Reading Herculaneum Scrolls.PostNo, it doesn't seem to -
Cassius
October 11, 2026 at 5:24 PM Replied to the thread New Advancement on Reading Herculaneum Scrolls.PostThank! Does the video have any sound? -
sanantoniogarden
October 11, 2026 at 5:09 PM Replied to the thread New Advancement on Reading Herculaneum Scrolls.Posthttps://scrollprize.substack.com/p/50k-first-le…&utm_medium=web
vimeo.com/1234160479?fl=pl&fe=sh - video from the article
A brand new fragment from one of the Herculaneum scrolls: “everything that happens/is generated” Exciting bread crumbs to say… -
Martin
October 11, 2026 at 7:55 AM Replied to the thread Thomas More and his "Utopia".PostThomas More was a statesman, theologian, humanist, friend of Erasmus of Rotterdam. He opposed Henry VIII's separation from the Catholic Church. After refusing to take an oath acknowledging the King as Supreme Head of the Church of England, More was… -
Martin
October 11, 2026 at 7:52 AM Replied to the thread Thomas More and his "Utopia".Post[…]
That state is communist rather than socialist. In Utopia, there is no money and no private property (of land, houses, other major items), and everybody takes what he needs from the markets, which is easy because Utopia produces more than enough and… -
Bryan
October 10, 2026 at 4:16 PM Replied to the thread Welcome EpicuriousDavid!.PostWe have this topic stated in Greek sources as well -- the sex part is always present, although each time it is said somewhat euphemistically. So the "prudishness" is in the original quotes.
Athenaeus, Deipnosophists, 7.11, 280A: In his book On Fulfillment… -
Kalosyni
October 10, 2026 at 2:36 PM Replied to the thread Epicureanism in seizures and hospitals..PostHang in there wbernys and hope you have a speedy recovery! -
wbernys
October 10, 2026 at 2:25 PM Posted the thread Epicureanism in seizures and hospitals..ThreadHello all, I just wanted to keep you updated on the recent seizure diagnosis, i hope Cassius will allow this post, as i have really used and wanna express how Epicureanism has helped me, so I am taking an EEG experiment (sucks by the way), and they… -
Kalosyni
October 10, 2026 at 2:24 PM Replied to the thread Good or Questionable Promotion of Epicurus?.Post[…]
The Tetrapharmakos gives conclusions but doesn't give the necessary reasoning behind those conclusions. This is a good reason to turn directly to the first four Kuriai Doxi ( Principal Doctrines ) rather than the Tetrapharmakos. -
Kalosyni
October 10, 2026 at 12:57 PM Replied to the thread Good or Questionable Promotion of Epicurus?.Post[…]
We need to create the correct labels (or phrases) in order to combat the incorrect ones.
Epicureans engaged in "a life of philosophical study" (not tranquil withdrawal).
Instead of "Tetrapharmakos"..."the First Four KD's". -
Cassius
October 10, 2026 at 12:30 PM Replied to the thread Good or Questionable Promotion of Epicurus?.PostThe example from the first post is so common that it's remarkable when anyone says anything else. For example we get almost exactly the same take in much the same words here:
https://ontologicalatlas.com/debates/epicurus-stoics/
"Tranquil withdrawal"... … -
Kalosyni
October 10, 2026 at 11:30 AM Replied to the thread Good or Questionable Promotion of Epicurus?.Post[…]
Likely they should have said "French Renaissance" not revolution.
Regarding "katastematic and kinetic" - even though we've discussed the problems with these labels through-out the forum, these ideas keep coming back and I think it is because the labels… -
Cassius
ThreadOctober 10, 2026 at 8:06 AM Welcome to Episode 355 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the… -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 11:21 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostSummary
Continuing Book Two of Cicero’s Academic Questions, Joshua reads the full text of Section 18, where Lucullus answers the skeptics’ use of twins, eggs, and Democritus’s identical worlds: the “more refined natural philosophers” (the… -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 3:43 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostLucretius Today Podcast Episode 354 is now available: "The 'Monstrous Absurdity' of Academic Skepticism."
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Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 2:53 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostMore food for thoughtful comparison:
- The Stoics appear to admit (according to Cicero) that the truly wise man who is able to be confident of separating the true from the false is as rare as a phoenix.... so that the Stoics are vulnerable to the charge… -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 12:24 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostWe hit on these issues around the twenty minute mark of the podcast. All this emphasis on the relationship of "living things" to each other certainly reminds me of the title given to Lucretius' poem On The Nature of Things.
No wonder at Diogenes Laertius… -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 12:15 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostI'll note also here that when you hear Joshua quote Seneca saying in his letter that "anything a man does is not necessarily the man himself" it seems to me we are getting very close to Lucretius' discussion of the Trojan war and Helen:1-464
For when the… -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 12:09 PM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostAlso, I want to be careful and not get too bogged down in Seneca's letter, but I think it's interesting that the question in the letter was posed by Luculius, who is arguably an Epicurean, and Seneca is also arguably trying to deflect the question, and… -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 11:44 AM Replied to the thread Good or Questionable Promotion of Epicurus?.PostThanks for posting that. Indeed it's a good example. However I'd say it's more a good example of superficial reading rather than something I would emulate. In fact, I'd say it's a good example of how NOT to summarize Epicurus especially on the following… -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 11:19 AM Replied to a comment by Patrikios on article How Is The Wise Epicurean Always Happy.Reply (Article)Thanks Patrikios! -
Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 10:54 AM Replied to the thread Episode 354 - EATAQ36 - The "Monstrous Absurdity" of Academic Skepticism.PostThis episode will be released later today, and I want to echo something that Bryan raised in a recent live session:
The "four points of academic skepticism" can seem very overwrought and unnecessarily detailed - why don't they say that it's simply… -
Kalosyni
October 9, 2026 at 8:59 AM Replied to the thread Good or Questionable Promotion of Epicurus?.PostParticulary, this section was interesting:
"According to Epicurus, a pleasant life can be achieved with the absence of pain and fear and by leading a self-sufficient life surrounded by friends. He also said that pleasure and pain are the measure by which… -
Kalosyni
October 9, 2026 at 8:50 AM Posted the thread Good or Questionable Promotion of Epicurus?.ThreadI found a website which has a good short overview (in my opinion)...here is an excerpt:
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You can see the source website here.
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Cassius
October 9, 2026 at 7:19 AM Replied to the thread Welcome EpicuriousDavid!.PostGood questions that would take significant effort (listing particular cites and going over them for footnotes as a start) to unwind.
We run into this a lot given the nature of translation. I don't know a better way to deal with it than to compare multiple… -
EpicuriousDavid
October 9, 2026 at 1:22 AM Replied to the thread Welcome EpicuriousDavid!.PostI’ve been looking at the quote from Tusculan Disputations (either 3.41 or 3.18 depending on the numbering) where Epicurus is quoted as unable to find any good outside of taste, music, figures in motion etc. In some translations ‘sex’ is in there as… -
Patrikios
October 8, 2026 at 5:39 PM Replied to a comment by Patrikios on article How Is The Wise Epicurean Always Happy.Reply (Article)There also appears to be an image missing, as shown by the meta data for an image:
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Patrikios
October 8, 2026 at 5:36 PM Commented on article How Is The Wise Epicurean Always Happy.Comment (Article)Intro paragraph ends with an incomplete sentence.
"Some say that we should look to religion for happiness. Others say that there are no hard and " -
Patrikios
PostOctober 8, 2026 at 4:54 PM Bravo, TauPhi,
I loved reading this modern English version of the Encounter with Epicurus!
Would it be possible for you to post a version with the intro, just the Modern English text, and your helpful Footnotes?
I think such a modern English version… -
Patrikios
October 8, 2026 at 3:16 PM Replied to the thread What a Healthy Relationship Looks Like (Article).PostThanks for sharing this, Kalosyni 🙏
I like the article, as it outlines the “how” of maintaining the bonds of a healthy relationship (e.g. pleasurable friendship), whereas Epicurean philosophy gives us the “why”, as it positions the cultivation of… -
DaveT
October 6, 2026 at 9:25 AM Replied to the thread Criticism of Dewitt's interpretation of Principal Doctrine 5..Post[…]
The school of hard knocks! -
EpicuriousDavid
October 6, 2026 at 1:28 AM Replied to the thread Welcome EpicuriousDavid!.PostI tried the first two maza recipes in the thread ‘Maza Experiment - Successes? and Failures!’ and found something potentially helpful.
When browning the flour in the pan, keep some raw flour nearby to compare. Without raw flour for reference it’s super… -
Robert
October 5, 2026 at 9:41 PM Replied to the thread Criticism of Dewitt's interpretation of Principal Doctrine 5..Postwbernys we could also approach the question from the opposite direction: "what causes people to make imprudent choices?" Off the top of my head, I would say there's an easy problem and a harder problem.
The easy problem involves people who make choices…
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