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  • Cassius May 5, 2026 at 12:45 PM

    Replied to the thread Klavan's "Gateway To Epicureanism" (Note: The Title Is Part Of A "Gateway" Series - The Author Himself Is Strongly Anti-Epicurean).
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    I think that's a very perceptive comment Btandenoz. I don't think it's the Christian element that is making those selections - more the philosophy establishment - and it seems to me it's generally possible to find Marcus Aurelius and sometimes others on…
  • Cassius May 5, 2026 at 12:41 PM

    Replied to the thread Alex O'Connor made a video about us..
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    That's an optimistic take and I like it! Unfortunately the beating and the resulting unintelligent or "checked out" facial expression is why I think others like to use it - because that's what they like to think Epicurean philosophy means.
  • Brandenoz May 5, 2026 at 10:40 AM

    Replied to the thread Klavan's "Gateway To Epicureanism" (Note: The Title Is Part Of A "Gateway" Series - The Author Himself Is Strongly Anti-Epicurean).
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    In my local Books A Million, this was the only book on Epicureanism, which I find misleading because the author's purpose is to mislead people away from the topic. In my local Barns & Nobles, I found Lucretius but nothing else on Epicureanism. It seems…
  • Don May 5, 2026 at 6:50 AM

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    […]

    I would agree there are better alternatives, but in some ways I like the broken one as a metaphor for Epicurus has taken a beating but he's still standing, 2,000+ years on. "Bring it on! I can take it!"
  • Don May 4, 2026 at 11:10 PM

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    I found another video where the author defends Epicurus and his philosophy against a host calling Epicurus "the worst philosopher". I haven't watched it all yet, but it seems to start strong:

    youtu.be/-f9rPFNzGZw?si=QehJ3fUkiwu4xkw2
  • Cassius May 4, 2026 at 9:51 PM

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    My blood pressure started rising as soon as I saw that the opening graphic features the smashed-version Epicurus bust (which I detest when people use rather than the many perfectly-good alternate versions that are available). But I won't charge that to…
  • wbernys May 4, 2026 at 9:22 PM

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    However he is noticeably critical about how much the modern self helped overplays the whole idea of eudaimonia versus Enjoyment or pleasure tho, which is nice.
  • wbernys May 4, 2026 at 9:20 PM

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    I saw too. Nice to hear. All around a pretty good interview. Got off topic a lot though but I love how he pointed out how the Stoic worldview of virtue in of itself being good makes no sense without the logos despite modern Stoics saying otherwise.

    He…
  • Don May 4, 2026 at 8:46 PM

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    I see the guest is coming out with a new book:

    https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250454256/theartofenough/
  • Eikadistes May 4, 2026 at 8:13 PM

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  • Cassius May 4, 2026 at 7:54 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 332 - EATAQ 14 - The Stoic Failure To Grasp That Judgment Never Happens In The Senses.
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    As an experiment I decided to ask for a critique of what Joshua and I stated in Episode 332. I don't plan to do this every week but this is such a dense topic, and our need for planning is so much greater, that I thought it would be helpful for Joshua…
  • Patrikios May 4, 2026 at 7:21 PM

    Replied to the thread Klavan's "Gateway To Epicureanism" (Note: The Title Is Part Of A "Gateway" Series - The Author Himself Is Strongly Anti-Epicurean).
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    […]

    So, if someone does go to the Amazon webpage for this Klavan book, it is interesting to see what else is served up.

    With Klavan's book, it is suggested with purchase of Epictetus Guide to Stoic Philosophy. But the lineup of books is heartening under…
  • wbernys May 4, 2026 at 6:15 PM

    Posted the thread Alex O'Connor made a video about us..
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    I waa about to get upset at Alex o'connor making a video about Stoicism but not us. Thankfully he's interviewing an Epicurean now. Alex is pretty good so i hope this help. Wanted to share this video, pretty good so far.

    …
  • Cassius May 4, 2026 at 6:12 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 332 - EATAQ 14 - The Stoic Failure To Grasp That Judgment Never Happens In The Senses.
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    Episode 332 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. This week our episode is entitled: "The Stoic Failure To Grasp That Judgment Never Happens In The Senses."

    [media]https://www.spreaker.com/episode/71865145/media
  • Cassius May 4, 2026 at 4:05 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 332 - EATAQ 14 - The Stoic Failure To Grasp That Judgment Never Happens In The Senses.
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    The issues we are discussing here are probably to some extent new to most of our regulars here. To asist in getting us up to speed I have asked for this summary from Claude, giving preference to the usual sources we consult from the Epicurean…
  • Cassius May 4, 2026 at 3:16 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 332 - EATAQ 14 - The Stoic Failure To Grasp That Judgment Never Happens In The Senses.
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    Notes while editing this episode:

    Around the 18:00 Minute mark Joshua repeats the Epicurean position that "Judgment never happens in the senses. Judgment happens in the mind."

    This is a position on which I think most all of our regulars here on…
  • Don May 4, 2026 at 7:01 AM

    Replied to the thread Klavan's "Gateway To Epicureanism" (Note: The Title Is Part Of A "Gateway" Series - The Author Himself Is Strongly Anti-Epicurean).
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    This thread had flown under my radar, so I was curious to check out its Amazon page:

    Best Sellers Rank

    • #318,831 in Books (See Top 100 in Books)
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  • Cassius May 4, 2026 at 4:05 AM

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    Happy Birthday to ProfV! Learn more about ProfV and say happy birthday on ProfV's timeline: ProfV
  • Titus May 4, 2026 at 1:02 AM

    Replied to the thread Klavan's "Gateway To Epicureanism" (Note: The Title Is Part Of A "Gateway" Series - The Author Himself Is Strongly Anti-Epicurean).
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    […]

    And Klavan also adds:

    "Despite what we may profess to the contrary, most of us are moved by a powerful intuition that meaning does exist, at the level of the individual human life. The moral consequences of trying to suppress or explain away this basic…
  • Don May 3, 2026 at 3:59 PM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    […]

    Nice post. The inadequacy of translation is always going to dog us, although I usually advocate for multiple words in English to try to convey some of the nuance as opposed to using Greek untranslated.

    Maybe the goal is a sweet, pleasant life after…
  • Eikadistes May 3, 2026 at 3:32 PM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    No doubt; the Hegemon does not mince words:

    HΔONHN EINAI TEΛOΣ

    "The goal is hēdonḗn" (10.11).

    I go with "pleasure", here, but if there were another noun I'd experiment with as a substitute for "pleasure" (from hēdonḗ), I think I'd entertain the idea of "…
  • Don May 3, 2026 at 2:48 PM

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    Welcome aboard
  • Martin May 3, 2026 at 1:43 PM

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    Welcome Stas!
  • Stas May 3, 2026 at 1:26 PM

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    I searched for information about him. Boris Nikolsky is a professor of philology. Unfortunately, he apparently wrote nothing more about Epicurus. The main topic of his scientific works is Greek playwrights. This is a page with a list of his main…
  • Cassius May 3, 2026 at 12:20 PM

    Replied to the thread Discussion of Blog Post: The Continuing Vitality of Epicurean Physics.
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    Darn I have not had time to read that article. I just glanced at it and it appears pretty substantive. Maybe needs a thread of its own? If needed I'll separate it out.
  • Cassius May 3, 2026 at 12:18 PM

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    Stasi you might want to look at our reading list in the FAQ if you have not done so already. It will be great to have you here. One of my personal favorite articles is the one by Boris Nikolsky , who is Russian, and it would be interesting to hear…
  • Don May 3, 2026 at 10:37 AM

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    I firmly believe that "to be conscious" means to have a mind in a body.

    I believe "to be conscious" needs a connection to the world outside oneself, needs the faculty of interoception, is inextricably integrated with sensation.

    Are there degrees of…
  • Stas May 3, 2026 at 10:32 AM

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    All the surviving primary sources have been translated into Russian. There is also a Russian translation of Lucretius' poem "On the Nature of Things" (in verse). But there are no good books about his philosophy in Russian. The ones that exist were…
  • Stas May 3, 2026 at 10:09 AM

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    I have already read several books about Epicurus and his followers. Among them are books by Haris Dimitriadis and Hiram Crespo. I also read the primary sources: chapter 10 of the book by Diogenes Laertius and the Vatican Sayings (in Russian translation).…
  • DaveT May 3, 2026 at 9:50 AM

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    Don I read the take down of Dawkins that you linked above. One thing it and the other comments here made me think about was the question of the types of consciousness that exist. Can we agree that there are different types or levels? For instance,…
  • Stas May 3, 2026 at 9:48 AM

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    Hello. I'm mostly interested in epicurian ethics. I prefer practical things.
  • Don May 3, 2026 at 9:30 AM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    […]

    Singling out any one of the examples that Epicurus gives (ataraxia, aponia, khara, euphrosyne) as THE goal is problematic to different degrees.

    Saying something like Pleasure is The Goal takes in the full spectrum of pleasure writ large.
  • Kalosyni May 3, 2026 at 9:00 AM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    […]

    There is lots of good discussion happening here. But I wanted to re-state what and why I titled this thread as: "Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia" but "Joy as the goal". Perhaps it would have been more clear if I had said "eudiamonia" instead of…
  • Cassius May 3, 2026 at 8:42 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 332 - EATAQ 14 - The Stoic Failure To Grasp That Judgment Never Happens In The Senses.
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    In episode 332 we are going to build off of the way that we ended 331, with Joshua's indictment of radical skepticism as being a self-defeating paradox:

    […]

  • Kalosyni May 3, 2026 at 8:32 AM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    Don I am grateful to read your your very good and helpful input on this thread. :)

    Matteng and wbernys I think it is important to consider that the teachings of Epicurus are not presented in a linear fashion - and you need to look at the whole…
  • Don May 3, 2026 at 7:35 AM

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    Great thought-provoking posts, Matteng and wbernys . I'll address a couple points in a bit.

    For me, there has to be something to the fact that aponia and aponos, in regular popular ancient usage, meant things like non-exertion, laziness; without…
  • wbernys May 3, 2026 at 6:16 AM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    […]

    I don't think there really is distinction, I suspect they are just synonyms without definition. Like Joy and Delight. I suspect when Epicurus used these words they were basically stand ins for what we today call Serenity and Tranquility.

    A basic…
  • Matteng May 3, 2026 at 3:30 AM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    Good points,

    I think on Philodemus and Emily Austin, that it the Epicurean Sage feels pain/fear/passions for natural/necessary desires.

    In the past I thought of Epicureanism more as a realistic form of Stoicism but here is a crucial difference.
    It is about…
  • Eikadistes May 3, 2026 at 2:04 AM

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    “If these machines are not conscious, what more could it possibly take to convince you that they are?””

    Committing a crime in the name of self-preservation. Full stop.
  • Cassius May 2, 2026 at 9:14 PM

    Posted the thread Sunday May 3, 2026 - Zoom Discussion 12:30 PM EST - Lucretius Book 1 - 430 - More On How Everything Fits In The Matter / Void Paradigm.
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    This week we'll be back in the neighborhood of line 430 and we'll probably speak more about emergence as we did last week.

    https://handbook.epicureanfriends.com/sbslucretius/#1-430
  • Cassius May 2, 2026 at 9:10 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 332 - EATAQ 14 - The Stoic Failure To Grasp That Judgment Never Happens In The Senses.
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    Welcome to Episode 332 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Don May 2, 2026 at 7:26 PM

    Replied to the thread Neither "ataraxia" nor "not ataraxia", but "Joy as the goal".
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    I'm still of the opinion that ataraxia has to do specifically with rooting the fundamental causes of fear and anxiety, ie, death, divine punishment, etc. I don't see one who has ataraxia as never ever being afraid of anything, never ever being anxious…
  • Matteng May 2, 2026 at 3:57 PM

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    […]



    I understand how an interpretation of absolute eudaimonia can be easily criticized by opponents of Epicureanism.

    Aponia, as never having pain in life is not reachable. Maybe this is even more unrealistic as the Stoic Sage of perfect Virtue.

    There is no…
  • wbernys May 2, 2026 at 3:45 PM

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    Welcome Stas ! Good to have a non-American buddy on here. For practical living the best one I could always recommend is Emily A. Austin's "living for pleasure", you could possibly translate it using Kindle if no version in your own language is…
  • Don May 2, 2026 at 2:53 PM

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    […]

    Ditto

    https://open.substack.com/pub/garymarcus…ndroid&r=2x991i
  • Cassius May 2, 2026 at 10:17 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 331 - EATAQ 13 - The Self-Defeating Paradox of Radical Skepticism.
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    Episode 331 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. This week our episode is entitled: "The Self-Defeating Paradox of Radical Skepticism." (a quote from Joshua near the end)

    [media]https://www.spreaker.com/episode/71829188/media
  • Cassius May 2, 2026 at 10:14 AM

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    Welcome Stas! That explanation of your interest is very much in line with what we are here to do, so we hope to hear from you further.
  • Cassius May 2, 2026 at 10:11 AM

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    Stas tells us:

    Hi! My name is Stanislav, and I live in Crimea, which is either in Ukraine or in Russia, depending on your political views. I am not very fluent in English, so I use online translators.
    I am interested in philosophical teachings that are…
  • Cassius May 2, 2026 at 10:11 AM

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    Welcome Stas

    There is one last step to complete your registration:

    All new registrants must post a response to this message here in this welcome thread (we do this in order to minimize spam registrations).

    You must post your response within 24 hours, or…
  • Patrikios May 2, 2026 at 10:08 AM

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    […]

    Cassius

    You may find this article on Claude of interest.

    How people ask Claude for personal guidance

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