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    Fullnes of Pleasure makes sense for me. It is not about avoiding all pain but to fullfill necessary bodily and mental desires. An unfullfilled necessary desire is a pain.

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    I added this to the second image: "What is pleasurable is defined as any feeling which is free from pain, since through philosophical reasoning we come to see that there is no neutral feeling state that exists. Types of pleasure range from removal of…
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    Welcome EP -

    1. My only printed editions of Cicero are second-hand copies of the Loeb volumes I picked up years ago, so I don't know about the Cambridge version.
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    If I am interested in reading Torquatus' Presentation in a physical printed media form, is the Cambridge Texts in the History of Philosophy edition of Cicero On Ends a decent way to do so?

    I already have a copy of AA Long and DN Sedleys The Hellenistic…
  • Robert August 10, 2026 at 10:26 PM

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    Kalosyni , I think it's great. I tested it on my Facebook with a private post, and the dimensions seemed to work well. I think it's a useful tool for introducing the philosophy to others.

    My only hesitation has to do with the color scheme. I had my…
  • Titus August 10, 2026 at 4:48 PM

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    This is just what came to my mind as a possible definition of "simplicity". A more detailed version could sound this way: Achieving a reasonable goal with the means it takes to meet this goal sufficiently. On the other hand, not spending resources…
  • Kalosyni August 10, 2026 at 3:23 PM

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    Titus Perhaps you are creating a calculus that combines a number of goals? ...easy to do, plain, frugal ...and... pleasurable and without bad consequences?

    Also, sometimes doing "as little as possible" will bring bad consequences.

    …
  • Cassius August 10, 2026 at 1:21 PM

    Replied to the thread Marriage, Children, & Personal Relationships - Greater Difficulties and Risk Can Make Them Harder Than Ever. Epicurean Perspectives on Remedies.
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    I think Titus' post is very much on point but I would not want someone to misinterpret this part:

    […]



    The "as much as necessary but as little as possible" is presumably tied to "tasks" which probably means things that you don't want to do and which…
  • Cassius August 10, 2026 at 12:43 PM

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    Titus thanks for explaining how you are trying to be a good steward of your resources (as Philodemus described in managing your household). Your approach to managing your household and preparing for the future is a clear application of this. By…
  • Titus August 10, 2026 at 9:47 AM

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    That's exactly what I'm talking about.

    […]

    We cannot control everything. Especially, when it comes to founding a family. Personal relationships with other persons (in this case: spouse/kids/grandparents etc.) are often hard to manage in a way that is…
  • Robert August 9, 2026 at 11:18 PM

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    Yes, I agree that no one should be overly confident about their take on this issue. We're just missing too many texts. It's tantalizing to read that passage in Diogenes Laertius and see his references to various works by Epicurus and Metrodorus--texts…
  • DaveT August 9, 2026 at 8:33 PM

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    Hoping this is the right thread.

    I listened to a very interesting interview: https://www.worldsciencefestival.com/videos/whats-b…rything-you-do/

    The interview of Brian Greene with Sheldon Solomon on his career studying: What's Behind Everything We Do. In a…
  • Kalosyni August 9, 2026 at 12:05 PM

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    And to highlight....A pleasurable life is a life of good spirits and well-being.
  • Kalosyni August 9, 2026 at 11:32 AM

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    Here is a quick visual which presents an overview, and this will need a bit further development with text sources added to back up the points. I've oriented this into "actionable" aspects which is a simplified o overview for those who are new to the…
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  • Cassius August 8, 2026 at 10:21 PM

    Replied to the thread Opening Discussion of Kelly Arenson's "Health And Hedonism In Plato And Epicurus".
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    Oh - Robert - I meant to say one more thing:

    The overwhelming feeling I have at the moment in my reading of this book is what an incredible waste of time all this debating about katastematic and kinetic is. I am very impressed with the book and I think…
  • Cassius August 8, 2026 at 10:00 PM

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    In today's episode since we are continuing to talk about about the Stoics unwillingness to defend ALL sensations as true, I want us to remember to include:

    Cicero, Academica ("Academic Questions"), Book II ("Lucullus"), Chapter XXV (C.D. Yonge's 1853…
  • Cassius August 8, 2026 at 9:16 PM

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    I think she is wrestling with the issues we have been discussing -- she's aware of the argument that katastematic pleasures are somehow superior, but she is not going to accept the definition of katastemtic that equates those pleasures with basically…
  • Robert August 8, 2026 at 7:19 PM

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    I've had the chance now to delve into this book--so far I've read chapters 5-8, and I'll next go to the beginning and pick it up from there. I tabled Chapter 4 temporarily as I didn't feel an immediate need to revisit the problems posed by De Finibus.

    …
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    We've sent out the Zoom link for tomorrow, looking to seeing you there! :)
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    Hi, I would love to attend tomorrow if it's possible. Thanks!
  • Robert August 7, 2026 at 9:33 PM

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    wbernys My take was probably too simplistic, so thank you for presenting a more nuanced view.

    We sometimes hear the term "public service" used in connection with politics--that is, people who take up political careers like to describe themselves as…
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    If you'd like to try it go to the bottom of any page and you'll see a "Change Style" link.

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  • wbernys August 7, 2026 at 5:02 PM

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    I don't entirely agree with your comment, i think Epicurus did care about the polis to some extent, even if it carried obligations, Epicurus did say we should enter politics in emergencies for example. He's largely against aiming for political power,…
  • Cassius August 7, 2026 at 2:00 PM

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    Welcome to Episode 346 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius August 7, 2026 at 12:59 PM

    Replied to the thread Discussion of the thread - Against Katastematic Supremacy - Pleasure Is A Unified Whole And Not A House Divided - Forum Editorial Policy.
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    […]

    That's correct, but if there is anything i am sure about it is that the attitudes expressed in the world's worst video collection are indeed the majority view, both of laymen and of "experts."

    For one of an unlimited number of examples that could be…
  • Kalosyni August 7, 2026 at 11:19 AM

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    Most often the three charities (graces) are referenced through our modern lens of art appreciatioin for various art work such as frescoes in Pompeii, Sandro Botticelli’s painting “Primavera”, Raphael, Lucas Cranach the Elder, Peter Paul Rubens, Francois…
  • Cassius August 7, 2026 at 10:43 AM

    Posted the thread Discussion Of The Article: "The Completeness Argument, Cicero's Knowledge Of It, And The Epicurean Response".
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    This thread is for discussion of the article linked below.

    The issue of completeness and perfection was of great concern to the ancient Greeks, and we aren't going to understand what Epicurus had to say about pleasure as the supreme good unless we…
  • Cassius August 7, 2026 at 10:42 AM

    Wrote the blog article The Completeness Argument, Cicero's Knowledge Of It, And The Epicurean Response.
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    The Completeness Argument

    One of the oldest objections to placing the highest good in anything other than virtue runs like this: the good must be complete — whole, finished, lacking nothing — and cannot be a process, a becoming, or anything that admits of…
  • DaveT August 7, 2026 at 9:39 AM

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    […]

    Yes. And yes to both comments above. I can’t avoid using my decades of training and experience as an attorney when I read or study a topic. As an advocate, I needed to parse not only the words but the motivations, and first-hand knowledge of…
  • Kalosyni August 7, 2026 at 9:22 AM

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    Welcome to the forum EpicuriousDavid  :)

    As far as an online course, we started preparing material but haven't finished it. (I will see what I can find with regard to some of what was being worked on and post soon).

    In the meantime, I would recommend this…
  • Kalosyni August 7, 2026 at 9:09 AM

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    […]

    It's true that the idea of "a telos" is not something that your everyday person goes around thinking about.

    Pleasure is often thought of as being "in process" and "changing". But as I see it, Epicurus taught that necessary desires are easy to fulfill,…
  • DaveT August 7, 2026 at 8:45 AM

    Replied to the thread Discussion of the thread - Against Katastematic Supremacy - Pleasure Is A Unified Whole And Not A House Divided - Forum Editorial Policy.
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    […]

    I don't know. I guess it is a personal choice. Of course we never want to appear to be relying on a strawman argument to prove a point.
  • Cassius August 7, 2026 at 8:44 AM

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    In regard to this part I think you are part-way to answering your own question:

    In the last two years especially, there has been more focus on the forum and in the podcast to gain a deeper context of Epicurean philosophy through study of other textual…
  • Kalosyni August 7, 2026 at 8:41 AM

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    I've just set up this thread to further discuss philosophical ideas of complexity, contradictions, and testing out things:

    Complexity, Contradictions, and "Testing Out" Epicurean Philosophy
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    Posted the thread Complexity, Contradictions, and "Testing Out" Epicurean Philosophy.
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    In a recent blog post I wrote the following (and opening up this thread to discuss further):

    "In the last two years especially, there has been more focus on the forum and in the podcast to gain a deeper context of Epicurean philosophy through study of…
  • Cassius August 7, 2026 at 6:45 AM

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    David given what you wrote about just starting your study of Epicurus, you might find this recent post by Kalosyni -- and the reply to her which I just posted -- to be of particular interest as you get started reading.

    …
  • Cassius August 7, 2026 at 6:43 AM

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    Thank you for being here!

    In regard to this part I think you are part-way to answering your own question:

    In the last two years especially, there has been more focus on the forum and in the podcast to gain a deeper context of Epicurean philosophy through…
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    I was brought to the forum specifically by searching for 'Epicurus online class', your website showed up and looked very interesting. I was looking for a structured way to…
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