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I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus, in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that “that indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided.” Your love of repose will lead, in its progress, to a suspension of healthy exercise, a relaxation of mind, an indifference to everything around you, and finally to a debility of body, and hebetude of mind, the farthest of all things from the happiness which the well-regulated indulgences of Epicurus ensure; fortitude, you know is one of his four cardinal virtues. That teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them, like cowards; and to fly, too, in vain, for they will meet and arrest us at every turn of our road. Weigh this matter well; brace yourself up....
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  • wbernys September 26, 2026 at 1:14 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    I would also agree with this idea. To me, similar to SillyApe , Epicurus gives me a set of ideas to keep in mind.

    Likewise, I think Gratitude is the biggest improvement, I began to realize that Gratitude should be viewed like a muscle, you gotta…
  • Cassius September 26, 2026 at 12:37 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 353 - EATAQ35 - "The Worthless Nature of the Argument of those Men Who Wish to Throw Everything Into Confusion." Not Yet Recorded.
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    Welcome to Episode 353 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius September 26, 2026 at 12:27 PM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    Excellent contribution, SillyApe. Your post is a very good example of what it would be good to accumulate here.
  • SillyApe September 26, 2026 at 10:24 AM

    Replied to the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    I am 23, so I am not far from 21, but this doesn't mean that there is nothing I know now that my younger self would have profitted from knowing.

    I think two of the most valuable things Epicureanism provided me were the value of gratitude and a strong…
  • Cassius September 26, 2026 at 6:28 AM

    Replied to the thread The Four Steps In The Academic Skeptic Denial Of Knowledge - And Epicurus' Response.
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    Here are two comments from another conversation that belong in this thread:

    […]



    […]

  • Bryan September 25, 2026 at 9:12 PM

    Replied to the thread What is the meaning of "He thinks he preaches to her"?.
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    Yes this is U126.

    To look at one manuscript, Vaticanus Palatinus Graecus 182 (Page: 176r), we have αὐτῇ



    […]

    I do like the option of αὐτὴν, and αὐτὴν serving as the accusative subject of παραινεῖν -- "νομίζειν αὐτὴν…
  • wbernys September 25, 2026 at 4:12 PM

    Posted the thread What is the meaning of "He thinks he preaches to her"?.
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    Diogones Laertius records various "scandals" of Epicurus and what critics were saying about him, one particular remark is this one below.

    "in another letter to Themista he thinks he preaches to her"

    Pamela Mensch simply says on this passage "The text is…
  • Cassius September 25, 2026 at 2:46 PM

    Replied to the thread The Nature of Truth in Epicurus: ἀλήθεια.
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    Yes - clear or open vs hidden strikes me as a good way to look at it --- as opposed to "eternal" or "unchanging" or "transcendent" or anything that implies that there is a "higher" truth than that which we can clearly determine through the rational use…
  • Pacatus September 25, 2026 at 2:17 PM

    Posted the thread The Nature of Truth in Epicurus: ἀλήθεια.
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    I’m sure that this has been discussed before, but it just struck me again in terms of Epicurean criteria of truth …

    The Greek word for “truth” here is ἀλήθεια, which stems from the adjective ᾰ̓ληθής – which attaches the negating ἀ to λῆθος: concealment or…
  • Godfrey September 25, 2026 at 11:36 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 352 - EATAQ34 - Dogs, Wolves, And What Is That In Sheeps' Clothing?.
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    Excellent episode :thumbup::thumbup:
  • Cassius September 25, 2026 at 7:06 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 352 - EATAQ34 - Dogs, Wolves, And What Is That In Sheeps' Clothing?.
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    Summary of this episode:

    Continuing Book Two of Cicero’s Academic Questions, Joshua reads the full text of Section 16, where Lucullus lays out the skeptics’ Sorites (“heap”) argument in stages: first applied to visions supposedly sent by the gods,…
  • Cassius September 24, 2026 at 7:55 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 352 - EATAQ34 - Dogs, Wolves, And What Is That In Sheeps' Clothing?.
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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 352 is now available: "Dogs, Wolves, And What Is That In Sheeps' Clothing?"

    spreaker.com/episode/75340874/media
  • Bryan September 24, 2026 at 5:08 PM

    Replied to the thread The Four Steps In The Academic Skeptic Denial Of Knowledge - And Epicurus' Response.
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    I wanted to share this simplified version of the four points that are the basis of Academic Skepticism's skepticism, with a concrete example. This may not be exactly correct, but it's as good as I understand it. The actually bent oar idea came from …
  • wbernys September 24, 2026 at 4:17 PM

    Replied to the thread Understanding vision and how the eyes work.
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    CrashCourse is always a fun look. I used to watch them all the time in school.
  • Kalosyni September 24, 2026 at 2:01 PM

    Posted the thread Understanding vision and how the eyes work.
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    This fun video looks good for understanding vision through modern science:

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=o0DYP-u1rNM
  • Cassius September 24, 2026 at 10:45 AM

    Replied to the thread The Four Steps In The Academic Skeptic Denial Of Knowledge - And Epicurus' Response.
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    And in this context there's an obvious relationship between this four-step process and the Sorites paradox, as also explained by Cicero / Lucullus in Section 16:

    […]



    Main Academic Skeptic SyllogismSorites ParadoxEpicurus' PositionStoic Position
    1 - There
    …
  • Cassius September 24, 2026 at 7:13 AM

    Posted the thread The Four Steps In The Academic Skeptic Denial Of Knowledge - And Epicurus' Response.
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    We have been covering this point extensively in the Lucretius Today podcast in recent weeks, but I haven't previously posted the material that Bryan has prepared as part of his Usener material. We've discussed this in our most recent Zoom meetings and I…
  • Kalosyni September 23, 2026 at 9:44 PM

    Posted the thread Terminal illness and assisted dying (Article).
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    This article covers the recent law that passed in the state of Illinois, and further aspects.

    […]

    https://apnews.com/article/medica…f492bda6597ee01
  • Godfrey September 23, 2026 at 6:41 PM

    Replied to the thread Virtues are Entirely Instumental.
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    Kalosyni is this referring to your Vivaldi techno post?

    Sorry, couldn't resist :rolleyes:
  • Kalosyni September 22, 2026 at 8:36 AM

    Posted the thread Virtues are Entirely Instumental.
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    Through-out this forum there are number of ways in which virtue is listed, including "no absolute virtue" which I think can come across as unclear.

    I think a more clear way would be to say:

    Virtues are entirely instrumental and inseparable from the happy…
  • Kalosyni September 21, 2026 at 2:21 PM

    Replied to the thread What Happened at an Epicurean Symposium?.
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    At yesterday's Twentieth Zoom, I gave a short presentation on aspects of the symposium, and this was a slide, with further info.



    We don't know exactly what occurred at historical Twentieth gatherings...but here is some speculation:

    There was either a…
  • Cassius September 21, 2026 at 8:02 AM

    Posted the thread Suggestions For - "What I Wish I Had Known At 21 That I Now Know From Studying Epicurus".
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    At yesterday's 20th zoom Patrikios had a very specific suggestion -- that it would be great to have a book of the title in this thread-starter. Such a book might be of interest to a wide group of young people, and would be a good way to summarize for…
  • Patrikios September 20, 2026 at 9:39 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 349 - EATAQ31 - Navigating Questions of Knowledge With Ships and Heaps.
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    Thanks Cassius , and Joshua for this enlightening episode. I appreciated Joshua’s reference to the Ship of Theseus paradox. Wikipedia provides a good explanation and examples.

    Ship of Theseus

    Thought experiment about identity over time
  • Cassius September 20, 2026 at 9:27 AM

    Replied to the thread Happy Twentieth of September 2026!.
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    Very nice graphic thank you as always!
  • Kalosyni September 20, 2026 at 8:39 AM

    Posted the thread Happy Twentieth of September 2026!.
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    Happy Twentieth Everyone!
  • Kalosyni September 20, 2026 at 8:01 AM

    Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.
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    Since this is a specific thread on AI, and I keep succumbing to it's siren song, just a bit more...regarding this by ChatGPT, which fessed-up with this phrase: "It would be misleading to give you a precise age."

    Also of interest is that it suggests a…
  • Cassius September 19, 2026 at 7:43 PM

    Replied to the thread What Happened at an Epicurean Symposium?.
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    […]

    All of the time?
  • Cassius September 19, 2026 at 7:36 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 352 - EATAQ34 - Dogs, Wolves, And What Is That In Sheeps' Clothing?.
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    Welcome to Episode 352 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Kalosyni September 19, 2026 at 7:28 PM

    Posted the thread What Happened at an Epicurean Symposium?.
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    Here and there, I've done research on the ancient Greek symposium, and since we would guess that Epicureans were prudent and serious-minded folk, then we could speculate that they made sure to dilute their wine sufficiently, and thereby allow the…
  • Kalosyni September 19, 2026 at 8:23 AM

    Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.
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    I find this to be an interesting development regarding AI search results talking about its own use of evidence (it said that its first response overstated the evidence), as well as talking about the lack of reliabilty of a particular source (in this…
  • Cassius September 19, 2026 at 6:36 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 351 - EATAQ33 - Heap Big Trouble For The Stoic - Platonic Approach To Knowledge.
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    Summary and Full Transcript:

    Continuing Book Two of Cicero’s Academic Questions, Cassius opens by explaining why the Sorites (“heap”) paradox matters to Epicurean philosophy: rejecting Plato’s ideal forms doesn’t mean abandoning useful terms…
  • SillyApe September 18, 2026 at 6:11 PM

    Replied to the thread Exposition therapy,Courage and when choosing Pain.
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    Kalosyni Yes, I was thinking about the Stoics, but this also serves for any thinker who denies that pleasure is the end.

    For example, let's say someone decides they are going to "hustle" and work 80 hours a week for 5 years in order to earn a lot of…
  • Kalosyni September 18, 2026 at 5:30 PM

    Replied to the thread Exposition therapy,Courage and when choosing Pain.
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    I am a bit out of the loop on this thread, but just some quick reactions off the top of my head, to focus on "what Epicureans would do"...

    […]

    "being admired" -- I don't think that Epicureans (those that truly follow the philosophy of Epicurus) spend too…
  • SillyApe September 18, 2026 at 3:33 PM

    Replied to the thread Exposition therapy,Courage and when choosing Pain.
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    This kind of idea truly annoys me for two reasons:

    First, because it assumes the ancient Epicureans were some sort of fragile cowards who could not bear any discomfort(which is not true, given that Epicureanism is capable of producing some of the most…
  • Cassius September 18, 2026 at 9:53 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 351 - EATAQ33 - Heap Big Trouble For The Stoic - Platonic Approach To Knowledge.
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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 351 is now available: "Heap Big Trouble For The Stoic-Platonic Approach To Knowledge"

    spreaker.com/episode/75208154/media
  • Kalosyni September 14, 2026 at 4:13 PM

    Replied to the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).
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    I'm adding here something further with regard to the introduction of the article on the Determinents of Happiness mentioning Aristotle's definition of happiness ("Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim, and the end of human…
  • Kalosyni September 13, 2026 at 4:14 PM

    Replied to the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).
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    More from the above article:

    […]

    Here is a comparison between the subcategories found in the above article, and Epicurean philosophy -- this is really a for fun and loose comparison, and brings up some interesting food-for-thought.

    (Article subcategories on…
  • Cassius September 13, 2026 at 6:32 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Yes absolutely Robert - the validity or usefulness of the term happiness (or any other term?) is dependent upon the criteria or standard or definition being given to us. And opposing philosophies and religions are giving happiness a completely different…
  • Robert September 12, 2026 at 10:32 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Cassius I'll defer to your point about it being appropriate for Epicureans to define the telos in terms of "happiness" if that term is being used in the correct Epicurean sense. I just don't want to see it used as a way to downplay ἡδονή. I have…
  • Cassius September 12, 2026 at 7:41 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 351 - EATAQ33 - Heap Big Trouble For The Stoic - Platonic Approach To Knowledge.
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    Welcome to Episode 351 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius September 12, 2026 at 1:07 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    I've been a little distracted but here are my thoughts on the comments since I posted previously:

    There are lots of different views on what happiness means, in part because the word happiness can be used as both a feeling and a concept, just like…
  • Robert September 11, 2026 at 10:54 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    The distinction between "pleasure" and "happiness" seems like it might be relevant to this conversation we're having about illusion and storytelling.

    Happiness concepts might be illusory, but a warm bowl of pho brings actual, physical pleasure (if you…
  • DaveT September 11, 2026 at 9:11 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    I think it is true.

    […]

    I actually don't see how or where Epicurus would refute that both anxiety and happiness are illusions, or are illusory. I think we fool ourselves constantly both as far as fears as well as what results from our behavior in a good…
  • Kalosyni September 10, 2026 at 3:06 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    No, just loosely in that if someone observes the world and starts labeling various things as "an illusion" then it creates ideas such as: "we just can't know much about the world because it is all just an illusion".

    […]

    I apologize that I'm a bit…
  • DaveT September 10, 2026 at 9:36 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    Do you mean classical skepticism? How so.

    […]

    I intended to indicate anxiety and happiness can be described as illusions, not pain or pleasure.
  • Kalosyni September 10, 2026 at 8:50 AM

    Replied to the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).
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    In the opening paragraph of the Letter to Menoeceus it says:

    "We must then meditate on the things that make our happiness, seeing that when that is with us we have all, but when it is absent we do all to win it."

    The article on the Determinents of Happinss…
  • Joshua September 9, 2026 at 11:04 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.
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    The links should be correct now!
  • Cassius September 9, 2026 at 5:49 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    And this is one situation in which I would agree with them. Doesn't help anything for me to restate it, but this is where I find the whole deterministic-laced idea of psychological hedonism a very unproductive path and something I too do not take…
  • Cassius September 9, 2026 at 5:18 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.
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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 350 is now available: "Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life"

    spreaker.com/episode/75031901/media
  • Kalosyni September 9, 2026 at 2:53 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    I would guess here that the issue has to do with Platonic philosophy, and most of the time religious ideas are built on ideas of striving for absolution perfection. So the word of caution is to be wary when you are agreeing with anything that holds…

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