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Bryan June 26, 2026 at 8:09 PM

Replied to the thread Epicurean Virtue.
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Certainly true!

In fact, if Plutarch is correct, Epicureans were even known to say, “Let even this have forgiveness” more literally it means "Let even this have a mutual understanding" which is a certainly a helpful mantra to have in mind for…
Pacatus June 26, 2026 at 3:03 PM

Posted the thread Infinitism in epistemology.
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In another thread, about infinite regress needing to be terminated in the concept of a causal god, Cassius said: “While not exclusively Zeno-derived, various thinkers used infinite regress arguments to argue for a divine unmoved mover. Epicurus…
Pacatus June 26, 2026 at 1:19 PM

Replied to the thread Your Experience with Philosophical and Practical Contemplations Through the Lens of Epicurean Philosophy.
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Just in terms of contemplation tools, I conjured up, over time, this virtual version of a Roman lararium (a home shrine). The central figure is my paternal grandmother, Mae, flanked by images of Epicurus (Mae is likely the most Epicurean person I’ve…
Don June 26, 2026 at 1:03 PM

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Don't hesitate to ask questions. Even if they've been answered before, it is always instructive and helpful to revisit topics some may take for granted. In having new conversations, new insights can occur.

Glad to have you aboard.
Cassius June 26, 2026 at 12:44 PM

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Please don't hold back questions or thoughts! That's largely what we are here for and you've read plenty to have lots to say! Thanks for sticking with us!
Godfrey June 26, 2026 at 12:23 PM

Replied to the thread Your Experience with Philosophical and Practical Contemplations Through the Lens of Epicurean Philosophy.
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Well said!
Pacatus June 26, 2026 at 12:21 PM

Replied to the thread Your Experience with Philosophical and Practical Contemplations Through the Lens of Epicurean Philosophy.
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Kalosyni : Thanks for this thread, and the prompting blog.

For me, these days, it's mostly how (a) to abide in some serenity and ease in the midst of all the turmoil in the world (some of which directly affects people I know), (b) while appreciating…
Noah Calderon June 26, 2026 at 10:51 AM

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Hello everyone and especially the mod team. I just wanted to add a post here because it has been a year (and I don't want to be mistaken as inactive, even though I haven't posted).

Over the past 12 months I have read Norman DeWitt's Epicurus and His…
Noah Calderon June 26, 2026 at 10:35 AM

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Kalosyni June 26, 2026 at 8:56 AM

Posted the thread Your Experience with Philosophical and Practical Contemplations Through the Lens of Epicurean Philosophy.
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I just posted this:

epicureanfriends.com/wcf/blog/entry/81/ This thread can be used for comments or thought on personal contemplation through the lens of Epicurean philosophy.
Kalosyni June 26, 2026 at 8:48 AM

Wrote the blog article Contemplation Through the Lens of Epicurean Philosophy.
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Contemplation Through the Lens of Epicurean Philosophy
Epicureanism is about much more than savoring our meals. Epicurean philosophy calls us to engage the mind in rational thinking, but are we missing some important aspects of rational contemplation that…
TauPhi June 25, 2026 at 9:22 PM

Replied to the thread New Advancement on Reading Herculaneum Scrolls.
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Here's more detailed publication:

https://scrollprize.org/firstscroll

Exciting times for Epicurean philosophy are coming and they're coming fast.
Cassius June 25, 2026 at 8:07 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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Thanks wbernys you are right - I have fixed it now.
wbernys June 25, 2026 at 4:45 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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Hey Cassius , did you use the wrong quote?

You're quoting my own quotation of Diogenes but then talking about logical argument about pleasure being the highest good. Unless I'm missing the point.
Cassius June 25, 2026 at 4:39 PM

Replied to the thread Episode 339 - EATAQ21 - Stoic Views of Knowledge And The Emperor's New Clothes.
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Episode 339 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. This week our episode is entitled: "Stoic Views of Knowledge And The Emperor's New Clothes."

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Cassius June 25, 2026 at 3:36 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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I don't see it to be consistent with Epicurus either, but it IS a good illustration (apparently) of how someone can use persuasive logic and reach disastrously wrong conclusions.

And I think that's why Epicurus held that it is not necessary (or perhaps…
Pacatus June 25, 2026 at 2:43 PM

Replied to the thread There is One Reality but it is "Perspective Dependent".
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The Spanish philosopher José Ortega y Gasset develops his perspectivist view, at least implicitly (been too long since I read him), from the existentialist dictum “existence precedes essence” – i.e., we can only posit some “essence” of things…
Pacatus June 25, 2026 at 12:50 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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In thinking on this from Todd , I recalled (from Kurt Lampe’s The Birth of Hedonism: The Cyrenaic Philosophers and Pleasure as a Way of Life) that the same logic was attributed to a later Cyrenaic philosopher, Hegesias. Lampe refers to…
Cassius June 25, 2026 at 9:53 AM

Replied to the thread New Advancement on Reading Herculaneum Scrolls.
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Wow that is a good catch in the news!
Kalosyni June 25, 2026 at 9:46 AM

Posted the thread New Advancement on Reading Herculaneum Scrolls.
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I just see that this is in the news:

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https://www.reuters.com/science/comple…ime-2026-06-25/
Cassius June 25, 2026 at 7:20 AM

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After a long run with this thread, we are going to disable it unless and until we figure out how to stop including people who are long inactive on the thread. That will reduce the number of less-than-useful notifications all users receive.
Don June 25, 2026 at 6:57 AM

Posted the thread There is One Reality but it is "Perspective Dependent".
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https://www.instagram.com/reel/DXr5ngFCJ…2VoenJlN2czNA==

It's been a while since I posted anything from Dr. Lisa Feldman Barrett. This short video reinforces that "there is one really" but she provides an interesting perspective on whether we really…
Todd June 24, 2026 at 8:10 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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That is probably true.

My point was more that "good" or "bad" have to be attached to concrete choices, not abstractions. Life is good (necessary) for experiencing pleasure. Death is bad for that, but it might be good if you only care about avoiding…
Cassius June 24, 2026 at 7:58 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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I could defend that being a related question in the sense that if you think life is not worth living in general then you're not likely to think it's a good idea to bring more children into the world. Strictly speaking I agree they are not the same…
Todd June 24, 2026 at 7:41 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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To me, this is not the same question. As I understand it, the question is specifically regarding one's own life or death.

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Are you saying Epicurus teaches life and death are of equal value? If so, I would strongly disagree with that interpretation.
Don June 24, 2026 at 7:12 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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Oh! Yeah, don't watch the whole video on that link I posted. If you do go over there, definitely skip ahead to 49:30 for just the short section of the discussion of life vs death.
Todd June 24, 2026 at 7:02 PM

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This would be my first reaction also.
Cassius June 24, 2026 at 6:58 PM

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But sadiy and tragically, some don't, and they carry out what Lucretius mentioned some do .... which is why i don't accept the persuasiveness of PH -- but let's not get sidetracked on that.

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I'm glad you made that comment because I was not…
Kalosyni June 24, 2026 at 6:53 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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This question could come up when considering whether to have children or to not have children. If the state of living is more valuable on a philosophical level, then you might be pressured to have children because of that. But if "life" vs "not life"…
DaveT June 24, 2026 at 6:52 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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Nice try Cassius but NO. I listened to part of the "debate" and came away with a yawn. I checked out the Wiki pages of both men, too and decided they both prove why many Hellenist philosophers denigrated rhetoricians :). It looked like they were…
Todd June 24, 2026 at 6:48 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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Yes, in a sense...but maybe the sense in which I see it is not the sense in which you meant it...

The desire to pursue pleasure (and thus life) is so deeply embedded in the human psyche, that even people who have convinced themselves that they should …
Todd June 24, 2026 at 6:00 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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It's important to understand your objective.

In this kind of debate, you are often not really trying to convince the person you're arguing with. You are rather trying to convince others who are (or will be) observing the debate.

And in that case, I…
Cassius June 24, 2026 at 5:25 PM

Replied to the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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I think you are right. Logic can be used in support of the idea that life is better than death, but it can also be used for the reverse. Ultimately it is not logic but FEELING which is the key element.
Todd June 24, 2026 at 5:22 PM

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It is quite possible to arrive at this conclusion without any logical inconsistencies. For example, if you believe your telos to be removal of pain, then it would be perfectly consistent to see death as a shortcut to that end. In that case, death…
Cassius June 24, 2026 at 4:18 PM

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Another excellent use of self-contradiction, showing that they are either not a consistent thinker or being intentionally misleading.

Presuming they are more on the "not consistent thinker" edge of the range, for reasons that we might choose to find…
Todd June 24, 2026 at 4:02 PM

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Such a person must be alive in order to say that, thus demonstrating their preference for being alive, and contradicting their claim.
Cassius June 24, 2026 at 3:38 PM

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I'm not trying to seed this just to start conversation but I can predict who among us might have some interest in this topic so I am going to go ahead and prod:

Pacatus ? Patrikios ? DaveT ?

These are just three that come to mind, but I think…
Cassius June 24, 2026 at 2:30 PM

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I don't recall whether I got to watch that full debate last time but I'll get to it this time. Thankfully Jordan Peterson seems to be fading away. Hopefully we can express some of the issues in this thread for those who don't watch the video or just…
Don June 24, 2026 at 2:26 PM

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FYI

RE: If Death Is Nothing To Us, Then Life Is Everything to Us
Kalosyni June 24, 2026 at 1:47 PM

Replied to the thread Comparing Modern Ideas vs Epicurean Ideas on Well-being and Joy.
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Patrikios - Here is are some comparisons to textual references in Epicurean philosophy, mapped according to some of the points in Post 1 above (although some of these may be more loosely related)...

Cultivate Gratitude

“The wealth demanded by nature…
Cassius June 24, 2026 at 12:57 PM

Posted the thread What Would Epicurus Say To Someone Who Said To Him That The Value of Being Dead and Being Alive Are Equal?.
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Stated another way, such a person might say:
1. There is nothing preferable about being alive over being dead.
2. The status of being dead and being alive are essentially equal.
3. Since we are going to be "dead" or "not alive" for a lot more time than we will be
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Cassius June 24, 2026 at 10:19 AM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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As Joshua likes to say on the podcast - "WHAT!!!????"

I don't see that implication at all. There's no presumption that you have lived in a bed of roses, only that you would prefer to live and experience SOME pleasure, even at the cost of some pain,…
Kalosyni June 24, 2026 at 8:30 AM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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The implication here is that "externals" are not important, but does this end up taking on a "stoic" flavor, especially as an aspect of "eternal return" is accepting what has happened no matter how bad.
Patrikios June 23, 2026 at 3:19 PM

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Kalosyni

Once again, you find lovely ways to remind us just how relevant the Epicurean teachings are to living a modern healthy life filled with eudaimonia!

It appears that each of those 4 major groupings and most all of the sub-topics could be…
Cassius June 23, 2026 at 1:20 PM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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Nietzsche is all over the board at various phases of his life but I find this to be consistently stated by every commentator I have seen, so I think it is correct:

Its purpose is to test your life-affirmation;

In other words, it is a test for your…
Kalosyni June 23, 2026 at 11:49 AM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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Trying to understand "eternal recurrence" and found this from Google:

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This brings up more questions for reflection that are not found in Epicurean philosophy.
Don June 23, 2026 at 8:21 AM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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Okay, this is good. I am genuinely curious to follow up on a couple points you made:

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Are there instances of people "seeing death as the ultimate reward of life rather than pleasure"?

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I need to go back and read deeper maybe, but is someone like…
Cassius June 23, 2026 at 7:55 AM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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While the "big picture" issue of how to present Epicurus was what spurred my additions to this thread, I do think it is probably also worth confirming issues raised in the quoted section which presumed a negative answer:

(1) Would we wish to live…
Cassius June 23, 2026 at 7:11 AM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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Yes I will readily admit that some people come at this for reasons that are understandable due to unfortunate personal situations, and I have no desire to criticize any individual who may be sincerely in a bad place or mistaken as to their rhetoric.

But…
Don June 22, 2026 at 11:13 PM

Replied to the thread Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence (Eternal Return) In Relation To Lucretius.
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I'll concede that some people do want to smuggle in Buddhist or Stoic ideas into Epicurus' philosophy, and this is not the right way to go. However, I have come to see that not all whose concern or focus is "relief from pain" are doing this. To…

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