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I take the liberty of observing that you are not a true disciple of our master Epicurus, in indulging the indolence to which you say you are yielding. One of his canons, you know, was that “that indulgence which prevents a greater pleasure, or produces a greater pain, is to be avoided.” Your love of repose will lead, in its progress, to a suspension of healthy exercise, a relaxation of mind, an indifference to everything around you, and finally to a debility of body, and hebetude of mind, the farthest of all things from the happiness which the well-regulated indulgences of Epicurus ensure; fortitude, you know is one of his four cardinal virtues. That teaches us to meet and surmount difficulties; not to fly from them, like cowards; and to fly, too, in vain, for they will meet and arrest us at every turn of our road. Weigh this matter well; brace yourself up....
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  • Patrikios September 20, 2026 at 9:39 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 349 - EATAQ31 - Navigating Questions of Knowledge With Ships and Heaps.
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    Thanks Cassius , and Joshua for this enlightening episode. I appreciated Joshua’s reference to the Ship of Theseus paradox. Wikipedia provides a good explanation and examples.

    Ship of Theseus

    Thought experiment about identity over time
  • Cassius September 20, 2026 at 9:27 AM

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    Very nice graphic thank you as always!
  • Kalosyni September 20, 2026 at 8:39 AM

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    Happy Twentieth Everyone!
  • Kalosyni September 20, 2026 at 8:01 AM

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    Since this is a specific thread on AI, and I keep succumbing to it's siren song, just a bit more...regarding this by ChatGPT, which fessed-up with this phrase: "It would be misleading to give you a precise age."

    Also of interest is that it suggests a…
  • Cassius September 19, 2026 at 7:43 PM

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    […]

    All of the time?
  • Cassius September 19, 2026 at 7:36 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 352 - EATAQ34 - Dogs, Wolves, And What Is That In Sheeps' Clothing? - Not Yet Recorded.
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    Welcome to Episode 352 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Kalosyni September 19, 2026 at 7:28 PM

    Posted the thread What Happened at an Epicurean Symposium?.
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    Here and there, I've done research on the ancient Greek symposium, and since we would guess that Epicureans were prudent and serious-minded folk, then we could speculate that they made sure to dilute their wine sufficiently, and thereby allow the…
  • Kalosyni September 19, 2026 at 8:23 AM

    Replied to the thread Revisiting Issues of The Use of AI in Epicurean Philosophy.
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    I find this to be an interesting development regarding AI search results talking about its own use of evidence (it said that its first response overstated the evidence), as well as talking about the lack of reliabilty of a particular source (in this…
  • Cassius September 19, 2026 at 6:36 AM

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    Summary and Full Transcript:

    Continuing Book Two of Cicero’s Academic Questions, Cassius opens by explaining why the Sorites (“heap”) paradox matters to Epicurean philosophy: rejecting Plato’s ideal forms doesn’t mean abandoning useful terms…
  • SillyApe September 18, 2026 at 6:11 PM

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    Kalosyni Yes, I was thinking about the Stoics, but this also serves for any thinker who denies that pleasure is the end.

    For example, let's say someone decides they are going to "hustle" and work 80 hours a week for 5 years in order to earn a lot of…
  • Kalosyni September 18, 2026 at 5:30 PM

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    I am a bit out of the loop on this thread, but just some quick reactions off the top of my head, to focus on "what Epicureans would do"...

    […]

    "being admired" -- I don't think that Epicureans (those that truly follow the philosophy of Epicurus) spend too…
  • SillyApe September 18, 2026 at 3:33 PM

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    This kind of idea truly annoys me for two reasons:

    First, because it assumes the ancient Epicureans were some sort of fragile cowards who could not bear any discomfort(which is not true, given that Epicureanism is capable of producing some of the most…
  • Cassius September 18, 2026 at 9:53 AM

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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 351 is now available: "Heap Big Trouble For The Stoic-Platonic Approach To Knowledge"

    spreaker.com/episode/75208154/media
  • Kalosyni September 14, 2026 at 4:13 PM

    Replied to the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).
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    I'm adding here something further with regard to the introduction of the article on the Determinents of Happiness mentioning Aristotle's definition of happiness ("Happiness is the meaning and the purpose of life, the whole aim, and the end of human…
  • Kalosyni September 13, 2026 at 4:14 PM

    Replied to the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).
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    More from the above article:

    […]

    Here is a comparison between the subcategories found in the above article, and Epicurean philosophy -- this is really a for fun and loose comparison, and brings up some interesting food-for-thought.

    (Article subcategories on…
  • Cassius September 13, 2026 at 6:32 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Yes absolutely Robert - the validity or usefulness of the term happiness (or any other term?) is dependent upon the criteria or standard or definition being given to us. And opposing philosophies and religions are giving happiness a completely different…
  • Robert September 12, 2026 at 10:32 PM

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    Cassius I'll defer to your point about it being appropriate for Epicureans to define the telos in terms of "happiness" if that term is being used in the correct Epicurean sense. I just don't want to see it used as a way to downplay ἡδονή. I have…
  • Cassius September 12, 2026 at 7:41 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 351 - EATAQ33 - Heap Big Trouble For The Stoic - Platonic Approach To Knowledge.
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    Welcome to Episode 351 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius September 12, 2026 at 1:07 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    I've been a little distracted but here are my thoughts on the comments since I posted previously:

    There are lots of different views on what happiness means, in part because the word happiness can be used as both a feeling and a concept, just like…
  • Robert September 11, 2026 at 10:54 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    The distinction between "pleasure" and "happiness" seems like it might be relevant to this conversation we're having about illusion and storytelling.

    Happiness concepts might be illusory, but a warm bowl of pho brings actual, physical pleasure (if you…
  • DaveT September 11, 2026 at 9:11 AM

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    […]

    I think it is true.

    […]

    I actually don't see how or where Epicurus would refute that both anxiety and happiness are illusions, or are illusory. I think we fool ourselves constantly both as far as fears as well as what results from our behavior in a good…
  • Kalosyni September 10, 2026 at 3:06 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    No, just loosely in that if someone observes the world and starts labeling various things as "an illusion" then it creates ideas such as: "we just can't know much about the world because it is all just an illusion".

    […]

    I apologize that I'm a bit…
  • DaveT September 10, 2026 at 9:36 AM

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    […]

    Do you mean classical skepticism? How so.

    […]

    I intended to indicate anxiety and happiness can be described as illusions, not pain or pleasure.
  • Kalosyni September 10, 2026 at 8:50 AM

    Replied to the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).
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    In the opening paragraph of the Letter to Menoeceus it says:

    "We must then meditate on the things that make our happiness, seeing that when that is with us we have all, but when it is absent we do all to win it."

    The article on the Determinents of Happinss…
  • Joshua September 9, 2026 at 11:04 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.
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    The links should be correct now!
  • Cassius September 9, 2026 at 5:49 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    And this is one situation in which I would agree with them. Doesn't help anything for me to restate it, but this is where I find the whole deterministic-laced idea of psychological hedonism a very unproductive path and something I too do not take…
  • Cassius September 9, 2026 at 5:18 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.
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    Lucretius Today Podcast Episode 350 is now available: "Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life"

    spreaker.com/episode/75031901/media
  • Kalosyni September 9, 2026 at 2:53 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    I would guess here that the issue has to do with Platonic philosophy, and most of the time religious ideas are built on ideas of striving for absolution perfection. So the word of caution is to be wary when you are agreeing with anything that holds…
  • Kalosyni September 9, 2026 at 2:40 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    I think that what is being said here in this paragraph is swinging a bit too far into skepticism. And I have quite a bit of trouble with the word "illusion"...as anything that is labeled an illusion is assumed to actually not exist.

    You still are going…
  • Robert September 9, 2026 at 2:19 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Dave, my thoughts exactly. Except you've expressed them far more succinctly!^^
  • Robert September 9, 2026 at 2:14 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    I agree that the essays raise interesting questions. Like hard determinism, evolutionary psychology presents some challenges that just about any philosophical position has to respond to.

    For example, as you indicate, Stoics like Seneca and Marcus…
  • DaveT September 9, 2026 at 11:07 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    Speaking frankly as Epicurus advised; I think this phrasing is not a helpful way of addressing the individual search for knowledge. Yes, evaluation of one's beliefs should be an ongoing project. Epicurus learned from Democritus on atoms, and the…
  • Cassius September 9, 2026 at 10:17 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    Yes I agree that it is very helpful to engage with criticisms, and that's why we do the podcast the way we do. HOWEVER I would stress this -- we never intentionally raise an opposing argument without presenting the Epicurean response in the same…
  • Kalosyni September 9, 2026 at 8:17 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    I just posted an article over in this other thread, which in my opinion is a more contructive take on key Epicurean questions: what is happiness, and what are the things which are needed to produce it.

    A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness…
  • Kalosyni September 9, 2026 at 8:12 AM

    Posted the thread A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness (Article).
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    I found this article (which may possibly already be on the forum in another thread) and thought it might be good to discuss. (Published February 2023)

    Excerpt:

    […]

    Health, Hope, and Harmony: A Systematic Review of the Determinants of Happiness across…
  • Matteng September 8, 2026 at 6:12 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Wow thanks for all your responses.

    Robert yes I have read "Why Buddhism is True" and viewed some videos.

    I like challenging articles like these; they allow one to examine and defend—or rethink—one’s own ideas and attitudes, as well as to develop…
  • DaveT September 8, 2026 at 3:57 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Following up with the second essay. I suppose I need help here. I started to read it, but my nose started itching. It itches when I think someone is just repeating the bogey man, average person as the typical human who doesn't understand the basic human…
  • DaveT September 8, 2026 at 3:47 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Robert I appreciate your analysis; I think you're trying to find the kernel of truth that Pinsoff is using in the first essay to make his case. Yes?

    Just on that first essay, I noticed two things. He appears to be using an average of all the things he…
  • Kalosyni September 8, 2026 at 1:07 PM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    […]

    Just some free-roaming thoughts:

    Regarding habituation...Pizza...I don't think he (the author) is taking into consideration that eating pizza when genuinely hungry will almost always bring a certain amount of pleasure. Also, if a person enjoys driving…
  • Cassius September 8, 2026 at 6:39 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Robert thank you for your comments there. I felt sure when I was reading through those articles that there was a point to be dealt with despite the off-putting language. Your analysis of the article seems to track what parts I did follow as I was…
  • Robert September 7, 2026 at 4:02 PM

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    Matteng I found these provocative (in a good way). Have you read any of Robert Wright's books? The Moral Animal was a memorable read for me.

    I have a favorable view of evolutionary psychology and feel it has strong explanatory and predictive power.…
  • Kalosyni September 7, 2026 at 11:33 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    I recommend this book, for anyone interested in increasing their optimism and positivity:

    https://www.amazon.com/Positivity-Top…d/dp/0307393747
  • Kalosyni September 7, 2026 at 11:09 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    First off, I think that this blogger has a hidden agenda, when he uses the word "bullsh*t". And his choice of words hints that he is basically an unhappy person looking for why he isn't feeling happy in life. It makes it hard for me to want to even spend…
  • Cassius September 7, 2026 at 7:39 AM

    Replied to the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Just for what it's worth, The final paragraph of the second article:

    […]

    As with this final paragraph, my reading of both articles is mostly that they are coarse. There's no positive message here in this last word, just coarseness for the sake of…
  • Matteng September 6, 2026 at 4:35 PM

    Posted the thread Evolutionary Psychology and "Happiness".
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    Hi, there are 2 Essays I keep thinking about for a long time.

    I think it deals with a provocative critique of a naive view and approach regarding "Happiness". The whole Substack of David Pinshof seems to have the goal to be paradox and provocative but…
  • Cassius September 6, 2026 at 11:21 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.
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    Today we are spending much of the episode discussing Patrikios' comments here:



    RE: Episode 348 - EATAQ30 - Neither Logic Nor Logos Are Shortcuts To Truth
  • Cassius September 6, 2026 at 7:16 AM

    Posted the thread Episode 350 - EATAQ32 - Addressing A Listener Question On The Flux And Real Life.
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    Welcome to Episode 350 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Cassius September 5, 2026 at 9:14 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 348 - EATAQ30 - Neither Logic Nor Logos Are Shortcuts To Truth.
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    […]

    Yes I think that's exactly the point, and while it seems so easy to understand that flux shouldn't cause us to turn to nihilism, it seems like on occasion that's exactly what happens.
  • Patrikios September 5, 2026 at 2:54 PM

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    Godfrey ,

    Congratulations on continuing your exercise program with scheduled classes and a workout buddy. One additional way I found to stack exercise sessions into habits was to watch and follow a 15 minute Tai Chi warmup on YouTube, before…
  • Patrikios September 5, 2026 at 2:24 PM

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    Cassius , Joshua

    In episode 348, “Neither Logic Nor Logos Are Shortcuts To Truth”, I really enjoyed the discussion about finding the “truth”. You referenced the statement of Diogenes of Oenoanda, where he said that we acknowledge the flux…

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