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  • Don November 22, 2025 at 12:37 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 308 - Tracing Epicurus' Key Ideas From the Principal Doctrines To The Tetrapharmakon To Cicero's Epicurean Speakers.
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    I'm light of my last post, I'll propose:

    Ἄφοβον ὁ θεός, - God causes no fear

    ἀνύποπτον ὁ θάνατος - Death causes no worry

    καὶ τἀγαθὸν μὲν εὔκτητον, - and so there's no effort to acquire The Good (pleasure);

    τὸ δὲ δεινὸν…
  • Don November 22, 2025 at 9:22 AM

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    I'm getting the sense of, instead of "easy" which to me implies a level of dismissiveness, a better idea would be "without effort or struggle." To illustrate this point, here are some of the other words in the same area of the LSJ dictionary:

    …
  • Tony Fox November 22, 2025 at 7:33 AM

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    I would very much like to attend, though I work on sundays. So I might consider bathtubs to be both natural and necessary that day
  • Cassius November 22, 2025 at 7:17 AM

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    […]

    Clearly wisdom is the presumption here, but the grammar and the historical usage that Don has cited probably requires something else.
  • Kalosyni November 22, 2025 at 7:07 AM

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    […]

    Could the word "wise" be used here instead? ...It's the Epicurean who really (or correctly) understands the wise position on these issues.
  • Cassius November 22, 2025 at 3:24 AM

    Replied to the thread Episode 308 - Tracing Epicurus' Key Ideas From the Principal Doctrines To The Tetrapharmakon To Cicero's Epicurean Speakers.
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    Good list of various translations - thank you! In this case I'd lean toward one of the latter. Each of them would or could have more consistent implications for being Epicurus' version of explaining how virtue and happiness go hand in hand and how the…
  • Martin November 22, 2025 at 1:14 AM

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    Below is an example of what happens in other groups, in this case "Philosophy matters" on Facebook as quoted from maybe two months ago. (I thought, I had posted it here already in September but saw only today that it was still an unsent draft):

    […]

  • Don November 21, 2025 at 10:38 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 308 - Tracing Epicurus' Key Ideas From the Principal Doctrines To The Tetrapharmakon To Cicero's Epicurean Speakers.
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    FWIW, Emily Austin's translation:

  • Don November 21, 2025 at 10:34 PM

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    […]

    εὔκτητος , ον, honestly acquired, ex., “πλοῦτος” (wealth); easily gotten

    εὐεκ-καρτέρητος , ον, easy to endure; written for εὐεγκ.

    From

    εὐ- had a wide semantic spectrum: easily but also honorably; well, thoroughly, competently;

    …
  • Cassius November 21, 2025 at 6:51 PM

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    […]

    You're not a broken record on this at all.

    This part let me be clear I don't say sarcastically at all --- I just look forward to the day that your translation prevails over Wikipedia consensus!

    This is a large part of what we are up against!





    Don also…
  • Don November 21, 2025 at 5:59 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 308 - Tracing Epicurus' Key Ideas From the Principal Doctrines To The Tetrapharmakon To Cicero's Epicurean Speakers.
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    At risk of being a broken record, is important to remember that the first two lines are *not* commands. They're not in the imperative: "Don't do this." They are statements of fact:

    God causes no fear.

    Death causes no need for anxiety.
  • Cassius November 21, 2025 at 4:37 PM

    Posted the thread Episode 309 - Not Yet Recorded - The Non-Epicureans Rest Happiness On The Alleged Divinity Of The Human Mind.
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    Welcome to Episode 309 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the…
  • Pacatus November 21, 2025 at 4:35 PM

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    AI Hallucination

    Just heard about this, and thought I’d share …

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucina…l_intelligence)

    For example (from the article):

    “By 2023, analysts considered frequent hallucination to be a major problem in LLM technology, with a…
  • Cassius November 21, 2025 at 3:46 PM

    Replied to the thread Episode 308 - Tracing Epicurus' Key Ideas From the Principal Doctrines To The Tetrapharmakon To Cicero's Epicurean Speakers.
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    I've now posted the episode and in finalizing the title I realized that the proper name is tracing these four ideas from the Principal Doctrines to the Tetrapharmakon to Cicero's Epicurean SpeakerS" - but we only mentioned Torquatus. For those reading…
  • Cassius November 21, 2025 at 3:41 PM

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    Episode 308 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. This week our episode is entitled: "Tracing Four Key Ideas From the Principal Doctrines to the Tetrapharmakon To Cicero's Epicureans"

    [media]https://www.spreaker.com/episode/68684769/media
  • Kalosyni November 21, 2025 at 2:46 PM

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    It's also likely that we will want to discuss the category of desire "natural/unnecessary" which some people like to label as "extravagant". 8o:saint:^^
  • Cassius November 21, 2025 at 12:37 PM

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    A reference from this podcast for those who don't know it. I am amazed that in a quick look for "how sweet it is" with Jackie Gleason this is the only one i find. I know there must be hundreds more:
    youtube.com/watch?v=Vw0TaZhvKes
  • Kalosyni November 21, 2025 at 12:26 PM

    Replied to the thread Sunday Nov. 23, 2025 - Epicurean Philosophy Discussion Via Zoom - Topic of Discussion.
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    Here is the video recommended to watch before Sunday's meeting:

    Bread And Water - Debunking The Myth of Epicurean Asceticism - By Don Boozer
  • Kalosyni November 21, 2025 at 12:22 PM

    Posted the thread Sunday Nov. 23, 2025 - Epicurean Philosophy Discussion Via Zoom - Topic of Discussion.
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    Coming up this Sunday - November 23rd at 12:30pm ET - Via Zoom...

    Epicurean philosophy discussion - co-facilitated by Cassius and Kalosyni...

    Discussion Topic: What role does food take in an Epicurean lifestyle?

    What are the limits of pleasure with regard…
  • Cassius November 21, 2025 at 11:22 AM

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    This podcast will be released later today. In the meantime another note:



    In discussing the tetrapharmakon i make the comment around 28 minutes in that people often have a problem with the use of the term "easy" as it applies to the good being easy to get…
  • Patrikios November 20, 2025 at 9:18 PM

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    […]

    Thanks, TauPhi

    I found the July 2025 post by Hiram Crespo that links to 7 articles on Metrodorus.

    https://hiramcrespo.substack.com/p/commentaries…us-of-lampsacus
  • Cassius November 20, 2025 at 5:18 PM

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    Most of us are continental USA but Northern Europe is in a strong second place. Welcome aboard!
  • Tony Fox November 20, 2025 at 4:49 PM

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    I'm very pleased to hear about the lecrutius podcast. It's a fascinating text.

    I'm from the netherlands, an extremely secular country compared to the world, it's culturally abrahamic however. Most believe in primordial spiritual virtues, and think…
  • Eikadistes November 20, 2025 at 12:23 PM

    Added the file All Particles Go to Heaven: The Form and Formation of the (Epicurean) Gods.
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    Epíkouros, Metródōros, Philódēmos, Dēmḗtrios, and other, ancient Epicureans present piety as a function of neuropsychology and theology as a feature of anthropology. The gods, themselves are conceptual representations conditioned by memory.…
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    Happy 20th, all!
  • Kalosyni November 20, 2025 at 8:59 AM

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    Wishing everyone a Happy Twentieth! :)
  • Kalosyni November 20, 2025 at 8:33 AM

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    Welcome to the forum Tony Fox  :)

    You might like this video overview by Cassius (if you haven't already seen it)...

    m.youtube.com/watch?v=6iXCI88Z64U&t
  • Kalosyni November 20, 2025 at 8:25 AM

    Posted the thread Happy Twentieth of November 2025!.
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  • Martin November 20, 2025 at 5:10 AM

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    Welcome Tony Fox!
  • Tony Fox November 20, 2025 at 5:00 AM

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    It would seem so, I never thought of that commonality!

    Rather than leaving it with the paradox or living as an atheist, I want to seek out the truth, (not live mY truth in particular).
  • Eikadistes November 20, 2025 at 3:42 AM

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    […]

    The original manuscript shows the verb προσπτύσαντες (prosptúsantes, or “embracing“) as opposed to the nearly-identical verb προπτύσαντες (proptúsantes, or “spitting on“). Metródōros either means to “embrace the great inevitability” or “spit upon …
  • Cassius November 20, 2025 at 2:13 AM

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    Of course Epicurus likely would have agreed with the conclusion and at least some of the reasoning, but his primary approach on gods was significantly different.

    The riddle is based on pointing out contradictions in someone else's argument which certainly…
  • Tony Fox November 19, 2025 at 9:46 PM

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    Hello nice to be here,

    I was raised catholic but I could never get around the contradictions of the christians. The problem of evil was always painful for me. Later I discovered there was this 'epicurean paradox' explaining the issue.

    Later I discovered…
  • Cassius November 19, 2025 at 9:33 PM

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    Brief info on Tony is that he was raised catholic and came across Epicureanism when studying history. He's read and studied his letter to menoeceus, his texts on physics and 'on the nature of things', as well as his last wish. He's particular…
  • Cassius November 19, 2025 at 9:31 PM

    Posted the thread Latest Thoughts On Natural and Necessary Classification of Desires - Adding A FAQ entry.
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    Tonight we had a spirited discussion on several options for interpreting this doctrine. I see that we don' have FAQ entry on this and now would be good time to construct one.

    We clearly have some divergent opinions on how to interpret this one so I'll…
  • Cassius November 19, 2025 at 8:56 PM

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    Tony has emailed me -- Welcome!
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    Welcome Tony Fox

    There is one last step to complete your registration:

    All new registrants must post a response to this message here in this welcome thread (we do this in order to minimize spam registrations).

    You must post your response within 24 hours,…
  • Kalosyni November 19, 2025 at 7:02 PM

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    […]

    This is a quote by Metrodorus. I also want to say that the "spitting contempt" part just doesn't make sense from an Epicurean standpoint - at least in my mind. The Epicurean would be too busy either: enjoying a last taste of something pleasurable, or…
  • Cassius November 19, 2025 at 3:46 PM

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    Somehow I missed this earlier today. Yes, happy birthday sanantoniogarden
  • Daniel188 November 19, 2025 at 3:25 PM

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    […]

    What I mean is that Stoic physics is based on providence. Essentially, according to the Stoics, the world is harmoniously and rationally ordered. This is something intentional.

    Epicureans approach physics from an atomic perspective and do not recognize…
  • Kalosyni November 19, 2025 at 1:22 PM

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    Welcome to the forum! :)

    […]

    Just asking for clarity sake...were you referring to the Epicurean natural physics or referring to Epicurean ethics based on nature/what is natural?
  • Kalosyni November 19, 2025 at 12:21 PM

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    Happy Birthday sanantoniogarden ! :)
  • Cassius November 19, 2025 at 10:52 AM

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    I'll be adding some notes as I make while editing this episode. Thist first note also relates to recent comments about natural and necessary desires and how one of the key aspects of the unnatural / unnecessary category is that they CANNOT be satisfied.…
  • Don November 19, 2025 at 8:24 AM

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    Austin herself admits the less than optimal choice of extravagant and corrosive. See (note 2)...



    Corrosive desires are corrosive to one's well-being. Take away something corrosive, and one can begin to heal.

    She herself admits she couldn't go through the…
  • Don November 19, 2025 at 6:43 AM

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    Welcome aboard!
  • Cassius November 19, 2025 at 4:05 AM

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    Happy Birthday to sanantoniogarden! Learn more about sanantoniogarden and say happy birthday on sanantoniogarden's timeline: sanantoniogarden
  • Martin November 19, 2025 at 2:33 AM

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    Welcome Daniel!
  • Cassius November 18, 2025 at 9:16 PM

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    By the time I post this message version 2 of this video will be live, with a significantly improved voice. It's still far from perfect, but much better.

    Not as an apology but as a statement of fact, Hollywood-quality video doesn't spring into existence…
  • Cassius November 18, 2025 at 7:12 PM

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    Oh no, I am not sure we can handle two participants from Poland! ;)

    You'll have to speak with TauPhi

    Glad to have you with us Daniel!
  • Daniel188 November 18, 2025 at 4:53 PM

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    Hello philosophy lovers!

    My name is Daniel and I'm from Poland. I became interested in philosophy a few years ago, and the first practical philosophy I learned was Stoicism. I was primarily drawn to Stoicism by reading Arrian's notes on Epictetus's…

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