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Matteng
November 5, 2025 at 5:41 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.PostYes they want get rid of bad emotions. The good emotions relate ( depends on sources ) only about Virtue or what partakes in Virtue.
In a strict sense only the Stoic Sage has good Emotions, all others only propatheia( bodily unconscious Pre-Emotions) ,… -
TauPhi
November 5, 2025 at 4:55 PM Replied to the thread Any Recommendations on “The Oxford Handbook of Epicurus and Epicureanism”?.Post[…]
I second that. It was one of the first books on Epicurean philosophy I've read and to this day I don't regret it. The amount of information there is extraordinary. -
Eikadistes
November 5, 2025 at 4:33 PM Replied to the thread Any Recommendations on “The Oxford Handbook of Epicurus and Epicureanism”?.PostIt's an exceptional resource. It also may not be the best resource for new students.
As an academic text, The Handbook is organized as a collection of essays from respected scholars. In total (in over 800 pages), they present a synoptic view of Epicurean… -
Cassius
November 5, 2025 at 3:35 PM Replied to the thread Any Recommendations on “The Oxford Handbook of Epicurus and Epicureanism”?.PostIf you get it please be sure to let us know your thoughts. I don't remember reading myself. -
Patrikios
November 5, 2025 at 3:03 PM Posted the thread Any Recommendations on “The Oxford Handbook of Epicurus and Epicureanism”?.ThreadAfter scanning the Epicurean Friends ‘Recommended Reading’ webpage, and the New Epicurean library; I find no recommendation for “The Oxford Handbook of Epicurus and Epicureanism”. Has anyone read it, and are the translations acceptable?
I’m reading… -
Pacatus
November 5, 2025 at 1:20 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.Post[…]
In their somewhat technical language, the Stoics differentiate between πάθη (the “bad” passions/emotions, e.g. anger, resentment) and εὐπάθη (the “good” passions/emotions, e.g., joy). -
Pacatus
November 5, 2025 at 1:12 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.Post[…]
Actually, the likes of Epictetus and Marcus Aurelius criticize and reject seeking such esteem. On the rest, I think you are spot on.
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Kalosyni
November 4, 2025 at 8:57 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.Post[…]
Epicureans seek pleasure, but at times they endure pain when it prevents a greater pain or leads to the pleasures that come with necessary things like food/shelter/health of the body and happiness of the soul -- This can be found in the Letter to… -
Matteng
November 4, 2025 at 4:13 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.PostMartin , yes in core the hedonic calculus, an yes maybe a better word for the difference would be arational ( I have never read it ) for unconscious or without needed reason and irrational (often negative seen ).
Eikadistes , yes the difference… -
Eikadistes
November 4, 2025 at 8:09 AM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.Post[…]
As far as I know, each tradition's evaluation of "desire" and "passion" contradict.
For Epicureans, "feeling", itself, is one of the principle criteria of knowledge. We accept that the "affective sympathies" we feel are as informative as the colors we… -
Martin
November 4, 2025 at 4:55 AM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.Post[…]
There seems to be a mix-up of two different usages of "irrational":
The usage in the quote seems to indicate that "irrational" is something "bad", against reason, to be avoided.
The other usage is neutral and refers to sensations, emotions, feelings… -
Kalosyni
November 3, 2025 at 1:50 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.PostHere is a modern psychology article that is a must-read for anyone interested in the role of feelings and emotions in well-being:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/harnes…l-your-feelings -
Kalosyni
November 3, 2025 at 1:20 PM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).PostI just verified with Cassius that the First Monday Meet and Greet Zoom for tonight is officially canceled. We hold the meeting on an as-needed basis for new members. We will set up another as soon as we have the need, so anyone with interest or questions… -
Kalosyni
November 3, 2025 at 10:37 AM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.Post[…]
Thank you Matteng for pointing this out.
Perhaps there is a way to fine-tune the differences, however, and especially because both feelings and emotions are important for making sense of the world, and so we need them as valid input for making good… -
Cassius
November 2, 2025 at 3:30 PM Replied to the thread Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video.Post[…]
Eikadistes I agree with this general concern, but as of yet I have not (to my memory) run into anything spoken by Velleius that I have found reason to question as being in actual or potential conflict with any other authoritative texts. Have you seen… -
Cassius
November 2, 2025 at 3:21 PM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).PostLooks like at the moment that we don't have any RSVP's for tomorrow night, and now we have the additional factor that Kalosyni is not feeling well. For that reason it's looking very unlikely that we will have a session tomorrow night (November 3, 2025).… -
Eikadistes
November 2, 2025 at 11:42 AM Replied to the thread Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video.Post[…]
Cicero, himself, visited the Athenian Garden under the leadership of Zḗnōn of Sidon, a scholarch who instructed Philódēmos — Philódēmos, himself, was a contemporary of Cicero. Many of Cicero's texts are responses to contemporary philosophical… -
Cassius
November 2, 2025 at 10:08 AM Replied to the thread Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video.PostThat question comes at an opportune time so in addition to discussing it here we'll address it in today's podcast recording! -
DaveT
November 2, 2025 at 9:47 AM Replied to the thread Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video.PostI finished listening just now. I enjoyed this audio and found it easily understandable, especially with the subtitles.
My first reaction to Cicero's style while writing as Vellius, was that he could have been a writer for the late American comedian George… -
Cassius
November 2, 2025 at 4:05 AM Replied to the thread Happy Birthday General Thread.PostHappy Birthday to Sweetopac! Learn more about Sweetopac and say happy birthday on Sweetopac's timeline: Sweetopac -
Matteng
November 1, 2025 at 6:19 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.PostFirst I see is that it is all about mental (self caused ) Emotions, bodily pain/ pleasure is out. In Stoicism this are indifferents and in control of fate/nature/logos.
When I understood Philodemus right, I think the Epicurean view would only match with… -
Don
November 1, 2025 at 4:37 PM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.Post[…]
That sounds like a perfect fit. -
Cassius
November 1, 2025 at 3:55 PM Posted the thread Episode 306 - To Be Recorded.ThreadWelcome to Episode 306 of Lucretius Today. This is a podcast dedicated to the poet Lucretius, who wrote "On The Nature of Things," the most complete presentation of Epicurean philosophy left to us from the ancient world. Each week we walk you through the… -
sanantoniogarden
November 1, 2025 at 3:48 PM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.Post[…]
Here in San Antonio, Texas, Dia de los Muertos is widely celebrated and does include supernatural elements at odds with core EP teachings. However some elements such as leaving offerings for the ancestors at the ofrenda, like personal items belonging… -
Cassius
November 1, 2025 at 1:35 PM Replied to the thread Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video.PostThanks for the input Steve, It's my intent to lower expectations to reduce disappointment, but yes it's already much better than the older TTS i used some years ago. And it's just going to get better over time. In the meantime, as we listen to this… -
kochiekoch
November 1, 2025 at 11:27 AM Replied to the thread Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video.PostI actually sat and watched this thing. 🙂
It was pretty good, and the format that you have set up as is good for study. It's better than just sitting down reading it.
As for the quality, I didn't think it was so bad despite your concerns. Already watched… -
kochiekoch
November 1, 2025 at 11:14 AM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.PostI may have seen one of those funeral masks Kalosyni.
Years ago, the museum here, had an exposition of Roman artifacts. One of which was a couple of bronze masks of people from that era. One! I remember had extremely deep wrinkles! He must have got a… -
Cassius
PostNovember 1, 2025 at 10:32 AM Episode 305 of the Lucretius Today Podcast is now available. This week our episode is entitled: "Shall We Stoically Be A Spectator To Life And Content Ourselves With 'Virtue?'"
[media]https://www.spreaker.com/episode/68378726/media -
Cassius
November 1, 2025 at 4:05 AM Replied to the thread Happy Birthday General Thread.PostHappy Birthday to Al-Hakiim von Grof! Learn more about Al-Hakiim von Grof and say happy birthday on Al-Hakiim von Grof's timeline: Al-Hakiim von Grof -
Godfrey
October 31, 2025 at 9:59 PM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.PostLately I've become interested in Dia de los Muertos as something compatible with EP. At least as far as remembering and celebrating our deceased loved ones. It probably has a supernatural element that isn't compatible but, at least for me that's easily… -
Cassius
October 31, 2025 at 7:24 PM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).PostThanks for letting us know, and hope to see you another time. -
wbernys
October 31, 2025 at 7:21 PM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).Post -
Cassius
October 31, 2025 at 7:17 PM Replied to the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.PostThat is an excellent question Matt and I like that you posted the link that Joshua mentioned in the podcast.
It's a deep subject that I suspect others are better equipped than me to deep dive on, but in the last analysis it seems to me that the Stoics… -
Matteng
October 31, 2025 at 2:32 PM Posted the thread Stoic view of passions / patheia vs the Epicurean view.ThreadHi,
How do you see the Stoic theory/ view of the passions/ pathei/apatheia/ eupathei and hoe differ it in the Epicurean view ? I know Philodemus did there much.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoic_passions -
Kalosyni
October 31, 2025 at 10:17 AM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.PostI just found this article: "ΓΕΝΕΣΙΑ. A Forgotten Festival of the Dead" - about Genesia:
https://www.jstor.org/stable/636925 -
Kalosyni
October 31, 2025 at 9:53 AM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.PostOn a less serious note...
Maybe we should proclaim October 31st as "Dress up like an ancient Greek or Roman" day!
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Eikadistes
October 31, 2025 at 9:41 AM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.Post -
Kalosyni
October 31, 2025 at 9:25 AM Replied to the thread Should Epicureans Celebrate Something Else Instead of Celebrating Halloween?.PostFrom Wikipedia:
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And further down:
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You can read about various cultures and veneration of the dead at this wikipedia entry. (It doesn't say anything about ancient Greece).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneration_of_the_dead
My guess is that Epicurus… -
Cassius
October 31, 2025 at 8:06 AM Posted the thread Updates To Side-By-Side Lucretius Page.ThreadThis week we have updated the Side-By-Side Lucretius, which contains the Latin along with translations by Bailey, Dunster, and Munro. The old topical guide page will remain available, but now that outline has been incorporated into the side by side… -
Cassius
ThreadOctober 30, 2025 at 6:30 PM We've had numerous request about what self-study materials are available here, and in this thread i will pull together what is available now in other threads, plus maintain this first post in this thread as a marker of several key points.
First, we've had… -
Kalosyni
October 30, 2025 at 12:15 PM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).PostThank you wbernys for your RSVP! We will send out the link the day before the meeting by private conversation. Looking forward to meeting you! -
wbernys
October 30, 2025 at 11:32 AM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).PostThankfully I get off work from 4 on Monday so I'll be there. Be nice to meet you all! So what's the link or "RVSP"? -
Kalosyni
October 30, 2025 at 11:12 AM Replied to the thread Welcome AthenianGarden!.PostWelcome to the forum AthenianGarden -
AthenianGarden
October 30, 2025 at 5:42 AM Replied to the thread Welcome AthenianGarden!.PostThank you all for the welcome - currently navigating this incredible site- Don - thank you for recommendation regarding Austin’s Living for Pleasure- I ordered it from our local bookstore and I am to have the book this Friday - so excited to begin this… -
Martin
October 30, 2025 at 5:41 AM Replied to the thread Welcome AthenianGarden!.PostWelcome AthenianGarden! -
AthenianGarden
October 30, 2025 at 5:34 AM Replied to the thread Welcome AthenianGarden!.PostI am an avid reader and learner-I read Stephen Greenblat’s SWERVE - a few years ago - and I am currently reading THE ART OF HAPPINESS - and realized I would like to take a course/class to have a better understanding of Epicurus’s philosophy. -
Cassius
October 29, 2025 at 7:44 PM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).PostMarkJW to you or anyone else who is not in an American time zone, we'll work to set up another more suitable time to accomplish the same thing. If anyone else has a time zone issue please let us know. -
Eikadistes
October 29, 2025 at 7:35 PM Replied to the thread Welcome AthenianGarden!.PostGreetings! -
Cassius
October 29, 2025 at 7:17 PM Posted the thread Velleius - Epicurus On The True Nature Of Divinity - New Home Page Video.ThreadToday we're introducing the second new home page attraction - a media presentation of Velleius' speech explaining Epicurus' view of divinity from Cicero's On The Nature of The Gods. I'll repeat what I said about the current state of both this and the… -
MarkJW
October 29, 2025 at 5:18 PM Replied to the thread November 3, 2025 - New Member Meet and Greet (First Monday Via Zoom 8pm ET).PostThank you! I won't be able to make it due to the time difference but I hope it goes well.
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