Posts by Kalosyni

Nikos K Welcome to the forum!

Coming up on March 3rd...First Monday Epicurean Philosophy Zoom!

-- Meet-and-greet and Epicurean philosophy discussion with time for questions.

New forum members are welcome!

Agenda:

• Welcome and meet-and-greet
• Topic: "Thomas Jefferson's Epicurean Outline" - short presentation followed by discussion
• Time for any questions

Those who have not previously attended a First Monday, let us know that you are interested by posting in this thread or by sending a private message (to Kalosyni or Cassius)...so that you can be added to the group private message containing the link (sent out on the day before the meeting).

Hope to see you there!

Also the Kalamatianos:

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The Kalamatianós (Modern Greek Συρτός Καλαματιανός Syrtós Kalamatianós, but usually only called Καλαματιανός Kalamatianós) is one of the best-known dances of Greece. It is a popular Greek folk dance throughout Greece, Cyprus and internationally and is often performed at many social gatherings worldwide. As is the case with most Greek folk dances, it is danced in chain with a counterclockwise rotation, the dancers holding hands.

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The roots of the Kalamatianos can be found in antiquity. Homer, in the Iliad, describes three performances made around the spear of Achilles that depict a dance in an open circle. The ancient Spartans had a dance called ὅρμος hórmos, which was a syrto-style dance described in detail by Xenophon where a woman led a male into dance using a handkerchief. Lucian states that the hórmos dance was performed in an open circle and was done by young men and women. The men would dance vigorously while the women danced with modest movements.^[1]

In the 19th century, this dance was called Συρτός ὁ Πελοποννήσιος Syrtós ho Peloponnḗsios. It is believed to have acquired the name kalamatianos from the town of Kalamata in southern Greece; most Greek dances are commonly named after the villages or areas from which they are considered to have originated.^[2]

Kalamatiano songs are many and popular – some of the more traditional kalamatiano songs are Samiotissa (The girl from Samos), Mandili Kalamatiano (Kerchief from Kalamata), Milo Mou Kokkino (My Red Apple), To Papaki (The Duckling), Mou Pariggile To Aidoni (The Nightingale sent me a message), Ola Ta Poulakia (All Birds), Palamakia (Clapping) and more. An especially haunting example of the kalamatianos, Mekapses Yitonissa (Μέκαψες Γειτόνισσα), was recorded for the National Geographic Society's groundbreaking Music of Greece album, released in 1968.

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About the Greek dance "Syrto":

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Syrtó (pronounced seer-TOH). The name translates literally as “to pull”, but more accurately as “to lead”. It’s considered the most ancient of Greek dances, going back possibly 2500 years. Syrtó is at its heart simply walking to a slow, quick quick rhythm. If a slow step is two beats long, and a quick step is one beat, then Slow, Quick Quick, (or S,Q,Q,) would be 4 beats (2+1+1). One Syrtó dance is 4 sets of S,Q,Q, 12 steps (16 beats) in total.

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Cassius I think this Episode 268 - On Pleasure the Guide of Life - would be a great one for publishing the transcript...hoping that might be possible at some point?

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I would point out that Epicurus separates desires from pleasures. In doing so, he is able to clarify that there are various categories of desires which allow for personal evaluation, whereas all pleasures are good as a matter of biology.

The categories of desires are: natural and necessary, natural and unnecessary, and unnatural. These are described in various PDs as well as in the Letter to Menoikeus.

I sometimes have trouble keeping track of desire distinctions vs. pleasure, but thinking further...

Desire is the motivation to act, with the outcome of the actions being either pleasure or pain.

Some desires lead to more pain, some lead to a mix of pain and pleasure, and some lead to all pleasure.

But we sometimes must endure some pain in the short-term, either to avoid a greater pain in the future or to experience a greater pleasure in the future (for the long-term health of the body and well-being of the soul) -- which is why there are the categories of desires.

Vatican Saying 52 mentions dance (friendship dances around the world)...

I just found this is a good article, about the health benefits: https://welldoing.org/article/dancin…tes-vagus-nerve

Jesse Welcome to the forum!

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we're up against a veritable army of nay-sayers and manipulators,

Or to say it another way...some people feel very attached to ideas about God and the supernatural, and may feel upset by ideas which are nearly similar to atheism (except for very small differences). And we see Epicurus taught in his private garden rather than in public spaces. Thus there is the debate on "live unknown". We've got a thread discussing various interpretations on that here.

I just found this website which has recipes:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/blog/cook-classical-feast-nine-recipes-ancient-greece-and-rome

And also Don's excellent video:

And found this link, over in that thread:

https://greekreporter.com/2022/08/04/ancient-greeks-were-gourmands-with-a-preference-for-fish/

AxA We have some posts on ancient Greek/Roman food here:

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Food and Medicine in the Time of the Epicureans in Ancient Greece and Rome

This thread is for food (and food as medicine) in the time of Epicureans in ancient Greece and Rome.

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Regarding honey in ancient times:

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They did not have sugar, but they had honey, as part of their diet and medicine.



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https://asteriosbio.com/en/honey-in-th…ancient-greeks/

https://healthywithhoney.com/honey-in-history-ancient-greece/

Kalosyni

May 31, 2022 at 9:33 AM

Here is more on the tri-fold - page 2 - still a work in progress (when I get the final copy done I post as a PDF, and delete the drafts.

Thinking that I want to add footnotes to specific text references.

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Kalosyni, your brochure looks great. I like the garden motifs like with the vines. I want to collect imagery like this, make a collection of anything that brings out that Epicurean Garden feeling.

Thanks, I am using the free version of the Canva app, which has various clip art and graphics.

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the date for the founding of the garden should be 307/306 BCE

Thanks Bryan I will change that, and also hope to finish the back side of the tri-fold soon.

Here is a work in progress (I started working on a zine size some time ago, but tri-fold now seems better)...

*Edit note: Kepos founding date is 307/306 BCE - to be corrected in next draft.

Regarding the heading in AxA's pamplet: "Trust your senses over your thoughts" - this phrase is not found in anything that Epicurus said.

AxA I'm mulling over some parts of your pamplet, which is generally good, yet probably I would phrase some of the subtitles differently (personal preference).

Some thoughts regarding VS04 translation, which can vary depending on the translator...especially the phrase "easy to disregard"... Don maybe you can help to check what the ancient Greek words are in this??? ...ancient Greek over at monadnock.net