About the Greek dance "Syrto":
Syrtó (pronounced seer-TOH). The name translates literally as “to pull”, but more accurately as “to lead”. It’s considered the most ancient of Greek dances, going back possibly 2500 years. Syrtó is at its heart simply walking to a slow, quick quick rhythm. If a slow step is two beats long, and a quick step is one beat, then Slow, Quick Quick, (or S,Q,Q,) would be 4 beats (2+1+1). One Syrtó dance is 4 sets of S,Q,Q, 12 steps (16 beats) in total.
Cassius I think this Episode 268 - On Pleasure the Guide of Life - would be a great one for publishing the transcript...hoping that might be possible at some point?
I would point out that Epicurus separates desires from pleasures. In doing so, he is able to clarify that there are various categories of desires which allow for personal evaluation, whereas all pleasures are good as a matter of biology.
The categories of desires are: natural and necessary, natural and unnecessary, and unnatural. These are described in various PDs as well as in the Letter to Menoikeus.
I sometimes have trouble keeping track of desire distinctions vs. pleasure, but thinking further...
Desire is the motivation to act, with the outcome of the actions being either pleasure or pain.
Some desires lead to more pain, some lead to a mix of pain and pleasure, and some lead to all pleasure.
But we sometimes must endure some pain in the short-term, either to avoid a greater pain in the future or to experience a greater pleasure in the future (for the long-term health of the body and well-being of the soul) -- which is why there are the categories of desires.
Vatican Saying 52 mentions dance (friendship dances around the world)...
I just found this is a good article, about the health benefits: https://welldoing.org/article/dancin…tes-vagus-nerve
Jesse Welcome to the forum! 
we're up against a veritable army of nay-sayers and manipulators,
Or to say it another way...some people feel very attached to ideas about God and the supernatural, and may feel upset by ideas which are nearly similar to atheism (except for very small differences). And we see Epicurus taught in his private garden rather than in public spaces. Thus there is the debate on "live unknown". We've got a thread discussing various interpretations on that here.
And also Don's excellent video:
And found this link, over in that thread:
https://greekreporter.com/2022/08/04/ancient-greeks-were-gourmands-with-a-preference-for-fish/
AxA We have some posts on ancient Greek/Roman food here:
Here is more on the tri-fold - page 2 - still a work in progress (when I get the final copy done I post as a PDF, and delete the drafts.
Thinking that I want to add footnotes to specific text references.
Kalosyni, your brochure looks great. I like the garden motifs like with the vines. I want to collect imagery like this, make a collection of anything that brings out that Epicurean Garden feeling.
Thanks, I am using the free version of the Canva app, which has various clip art and graphics.
the date for the founding of the garden should be 307/306 BCE
Thanks Bryan I will change that, and also hope to finish the back side of the tri-fold soon.
Here is a work in progress (I started working on a zine size some time ago, but tri-fold now seems better)...
*Edit note: Kepos founding date is 307/306 BCE - to be corrected in next draft.
Regarding the heading in AxA's pamplet: "Trust your senses over your thoughts" - this phrase is not found in anything that Epicurus said.
AxA I'm mulling over some parts of your pamplet, which is generally good, yet probably I would phrase some of the subtitles differently (personal preference).
Some thoughts regarding VS04 translation, which can vary depending on the translator...especially the phrase "easy to disregard"... Don maybe you can help to check what the ancient Greek words are in this??? ...ancient Greek over at monadnock.net
This is a long thread, and perhaps needs some sifting through, but elements could be added regarding coping skills:
This is a long thread, and perhaps needs some sifting through, but elements could be added regarding coping skills:
Happy Birthday to forum member SillyApe
